Median pay for Chiropractors is only $66k?!

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BudAshes

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Find a DPT and avoid the Chiropractor. You may get lucky and they help you out, but most likely your issue will come back in a few days or weeks. A DPT is trained to find the root of your issue and help you rehab to avoid recurrence.
 

Capt Caveman

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fwiw - my chiropractor is also one of the sports doctors for one of the local universities. He has been the sport doctor/chiropractor for the women's US Olympic gymnastics team and Jamaican track team.

He's helped me not only for my back but IT band and other leg issues.
 

Scarpozzi

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fwiw - my chiropractor is also one of the sports doctors for one of the local universities. He has been the sport doctor/chiropractor for the women's US Olympic gymnastics team and Jamaican track team.

He's helped me not only for my back but IT band and other leg issues.
I have no doubt that there are good Chiros out there....but the industry is plagued with a bunch of people that charge $150-200 a visit and expect people to see them every week or two for "adjustments"... The cost of them paying staff (receptionists/assistants), insurance, operating costs, and renting office space takes from their take-home pay. This is why they make so little and often take advantage of as many paying customers as they can.
 
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GagHalfrunt

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If you're going to be in the massage business you need to offer happy endings to make the big bucks. Everyone knows this.
 

eits

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Find a DPT and avoid the Chiropractor. You may get lucky and they help you out, but most likely your issue will come back in a few days or weeks. A DPT is trained to find the root of your issue and help you rehab to avoid recurrence.
A lot of chiropractors do the same thing, man. Not all, not even most, but a lot. Just like DPTs, actually. Most DPTs aren't much better than a regular PT.

Nowadays, many chiropractors and DPTs are indistinguishable from each other because we all share similar techniques. The main differences are that DPTs tend not to be as good with joint manipulation... That and, for some stupid reason, they still need a doctor's referral before seeing patients for an issue or referring out for diagnostic testing. Chiropractors don't have those hurdles.
 

eits

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I have no doubt that there are good Chiros out there....but the industry is plagued with a bunch of people that charge $150-200 a visit and expect people to see them every week or two for "adjustments"... The cost of them paying staff (receptionists/assistants), insurance, operating costs, and renting office space takes from their take-home pay. This is why they make so little and often take advantage of as many paying customers as they can.

The plague is slowly dying off, thankfully.
 

eits

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First link: Good article.

Second link: I agree with all of these except for #12 and #15.

Third link:

I appreciate you posting this. More people should read those, I think.

Here's another good one I came across a while back that I shared to my patients and friends:

http://thepaleofix.com/chiropractor...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 

NesuD

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Median and average are entirely different things. Median is just the midpoint of a number set. 80% of Chiros could be making up to 100k but as long as some are making 34k the median would be 66k. The average would be significantly higher though. if 80 % made 100k and 20% made 34 k the average would be 86,800 but the median would still be 66k. The median number in this case is meaningless. The use of the median here is almost assuredly intended to mislead.
 
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repoman0

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Median and average are entirely different things. Median is just the midpoint of a number set. 80% of Chiros could be making up to 100k but as long as some are making 34k the median would be 66k. The average would be significantly higher though. if 80 % made 100k and 20% made 34 k the average would be 86,800 but the median would still be 66k. The median number in this case is meaningless. The use of the median here is almost assuredly intended to mislead.

If 80% are making 100k, the median is 100k regardless of the rest of the numbers
 
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Staples

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I am actually surprised how much they make.These clinics are all over the place and they are very expensive. Apparently people have too much disposable income.
 

NesuD

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If 80% are making 100k, the median is 100k regardless of the rest of the numbers

Wrong the highest number in the set is 100k, the lowest number is 34k therefore the median is 66k. the percentages at 100k and 34k are not relevant to the median. They are only relevant to the average. your a smart guy just look up the definition of median you will understand.
 

repoman0

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Wrong the highest number in the set is 100k, the lowest number is 34k therefore the median is 66k. the percentages at 100k and 34k are not relevant to the median. They are only relevant to the average. your a smart guy just look up the definition of median you will understand.

You trolling? Not sure what definition you are using, but the median certainly isn't the average of the extremes of a set.

The median has everything to do with the distribution of a set of numbers because it is equal to the midpoint number of that set after sorting. Let me give you a hint: if 80% of the numbers in a set are equal to one value, that one value will always fall in the middle regardless of what the rest of the numbers in that set are.
 
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You trolling? Not sure what definition you are using, but the median certainly isn't the average of the extremes of a set.

The median has everything to do with the distribution of a set of numbers because it is equal to the midpoint number of that set after sorting. Let me give you a hint: if 80% of the numbers in a set are equal to one value, that one value will always fall in the middle regardless of what the rest of the numbers in that set are.

Was just saying that everyone was treating this median number as if it were an average which it is not. The median is not useful in determining what a realistic income level for most Chiros would be. The average income is what is more useful. I erred in my example and you are correct.
 
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eits

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I am actually surprised how much they make.These clinics are all over the place and they are very expensive. Apparently people have too much disposable income.
Define "expensive"...

It should be a copay. So, whatever your specialist copay is is what it costs, unless you haven't met your insurance deductible.
 

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I knew it was snake oil, but once I read the history of how chiropractic "medicine" started, the theories behind it, I was blown away that anyone could believe this stuff. It is hard for me to see a chiropractor as any different than a faith healer, someone that preys on people.
 

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I knew it was snake oil, but once I read the history of how chiropractic "medicine" started, the theories behind it, I was blown away that anyone could believe this stuff. It is hard for me to see a chiropractor as any different than a faith healer, someone that preys on people.
"... knew it was snake oil"
It's not. However, many chiropractors are snake oil salesmen.

Have you read how osteopathy started? Or how the medical profession started? You'd be blown away by that nonsense, too. So, don't sell the profession short simply because of how it started. Judge the progress made and the help the profession offers people rather than on it's origins.

I'm not a faith healer whatsoever, and I certainly don't prey on people. But I also don't believe in the original theories/dogma of the chiropractic profession.
 

Darwin333

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First link: Good article.

Second link: I agree with all of these except for #12 and #15.

Third link:

I appreciate you posting this. More people should read those, I think.

Here's another good one I came across a while back that I shared to my patients and friends:

http://thepaleofix.com/chiropractor...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

If you agree with #1, which is:

1. Chiropractic theory and practice are not based on the body of knowledge related to health, disease, and health care that has been widely accepted by the scientific community.

Most chiropractors believe that spinal problems, which they call “subluxations,” cause ill health and that fixing them by “adjusting” the spine will promote and restore health. The extent of this belief varies from chiropractor to chiropractor. Some believe that subluxations are the primary cause of ill health; others consider them an underlying cause. Only a small percentage (including me) reject these notions and align their beliefs and practices with those of the science-based medical community.

Then how can you honestly suggest chiropractors to anyone unless they are seeing you or someone you know personally? I read the above as it's worse than a roulette spin to find one of the good chiropractors and the bad ones could potentially cause more harm than good.
 
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For the people saying "yeah well if it's bullshit then why do professional sports teams use it?" you really can't be serious, can you? Sports is so chock full of bullshit that I can't believe you'd say that with a straight face. Especially when it comes to health. Yes let's play on concrete fields with a thin layer of plastic grass over it. Sure that won't cause any problems. What concussions? Those don't exist. Look we can trash doctors researching this! Wait, concussions do exist, but they don't actually do real lasting damage, look we paid these doctors to push that so we can discredit other research. Also concussions are super rare. Wait, we now have doctors to evaluate them, but they totally were not a problem before. There are tons of other examples.

Even if you take the road that the chiros in sports are legitimate and aren't ones pushing any of the bullshit, in that capacity the chiros are more a mix of physical therapists and masseurs. Undoubtedly they shill their bullshit to the players that seem open to it, just not in an official capacity. There's a lot of athletes that provide a unique mix of lack of logical thinking and knowledge, superstitious belief, and with plenty of disposable income that makes them easy prey for bullshit salesman. Short of animals, or rather wealthy animal owners, there's not much better audiences to hawk such services.

"... knew it was snake oil"
It's not. However, many chiropractors are snake oil salesmen.

Have you read how osteopathy started? Or how the medical profession started? You'd be blown away by that nonsense, too. So, don't sell the profession short simply because of how it started. Judge the progress made and the help the profession offers people rather than on it's origins.

I'm not a faith healer whatsoever, and I certainly don't prey on people. But I also don't believe in the original theories/dogma of the chiropractic profession.

So do you still do the light chair? Or was it magnets (I do remember it had lights on it, but maybe that wasn't what was claimed to be doing the healing)? Not even sure that was a chiro thing or just some random "alternative medicine" you shoehorned in since it fit with plenty of the rest of the bullshit you were pushing. Still claim that you can fix ADD/ADHD, oh sorry ADD/ADHD-like, symptoms with a simple spinal adjustment? Point being, you absolutely were shilling wholesale bullshit yourself, so drop the mediatory act like you're some reformed person.

Hell, you never even responded when I pointed out that your claim of it being a simple slipup of not having put "cheerleader" was also complete bullshit as you weren't the official chiro of them either.

You literally tried to claim you were an official doctor (odd how you slipped up cheerleader, but don't consider it a slipup that you claimed to be a doctor) for an NFL team and genuinely did not think that anyone would question it. There's an analogy to be made between our President and his use of the alt-right and your grandiose claims and your use of alt-med. And you act like you're one of the "good" chiros, it's funny how that evolved over time, at one point I seem to recall you claimed chiros were the only real honest "doctors" and that modern medicine was wholesale lies, then after that didn't go over well, you started slowly changing it so that people would be less antagonistic to your bullshit and lies. It's a perfect case study for the No True Scotsman fallacy. And also how dishonest people twist logic to suit themselves and prop up their lies and insane beliefs.

If it wasn't for the fact that people go to you for legitimate health issues, I'd think the whole thing was hilarious. That is why I persist in calling you out on your bullshit. You being wrong about RG3/Luck is possibly the least problematic thing with your posts. It does show exactly how you act and your ready willingness to make ridiculous claims and then your dishonesty in trying to support them, and then when that fails spectacularly, how you do a complete 180 and cop that conciliatory act.
 
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