Median pay for Chiropractors is only $66k?!

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If you agree with #1, which is:

1. Chiropractic theory and practice are not based on the body of knowledge related to health, disease, and health care that has been widely accepted by the scientific community.

Most chiropractors believe that spinal problems, which they call “subluxations,” cause ill health and that fixing them by “adjusting” the spine will promote and restore health. The extent of this belief varies from chiropractor to chiropractor. Some believe that subluxations are the primary cause of ill health; others consider them an underlying cause. Only a small percentage (including me) reject these notions and align their beliefs and practices with those of the science-based medical community.

Then how can you honestly suggest chiropractors to anyone unless they are seeing you or someone you know personally? I read the above as it's worse than a roulette spin to find one of the good chiropractors and the bad ones could potentially cause more harm than good.

No True Official Redskins [Cheerleaders] Chiropractor?
 

highland145

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I knew it was snake oil, but once I read the history of how chiropractic "medicine" started, the theories behind it, I was blown away that anyone could believe this stuff. It is hard for me to see a chiropractor as any different than a faith healer, someone that preys on people.
I was in that boat for a long time until my back took a break from reality and skimmed through hell. Now, I do stretches/strengthening to prevent another episode but my guy helped me.

More helpful, on a regular basis, is neck cricks. I could spend 2 weeks suffering from one. Can't turn my head kind of crap. Go to my chiro 1 or 2 times and that crap is fixed. $42/visit is a bargain. I'd have paid $1K to make my back ease up...debilitating.
 
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Staples

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Define "expensive"...

It should be a copay. So, whatever your specialist copay is is what it costs, unless you haven't met your insurance deductible.
My wife used to go to some place. It was $65. Not covered by insurance. I'd be surprised if it was anywhere since they will always find a reason to treat you.
 
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Was just saying that everyone was treating this median number as if it were an average which it is not. The median is not useful in determining what a realistic income level for most Chiros would be. The average income is what is more useful. I erred in my example and you are correct.

When it comes to incomes average is often very misleading due to a large inequality of wealth. Aka there's almost always extreme outliers that skew the average to the high side.

If I was going to have just one number to look at median would probably be more representative but really both are equally important. Best yet would be mean, median, std dev, and a visualization (like a scatter plot).
 
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If you agree with #1, which is:

1. Chiropractic theory and practice are not based on the body of knowledge related to health, disease, and health care that has been widely accepted by the scientific community.

Most chiropractors believe that spinal problems, which they call “subluxations,” cause ill health and that fixing them by “adjusting” the spine will promote and restore health. The extent of this belief varies from chiropractor to chiropractor. Some believe that subluxations are the primary cause of ill health; others consider them an underlying cause. Only a small percentage (including me) reject these notions and align their beliefs and practices with those of the science-based medical community.

Then how can you honestly suggest chiropractors to anyone unless they are seeing you or someone you know personally? I read the above as it's worse than a roulette spin to find one of the good chiropractors and the bad ones could potentially cause more harm than good.
I included a link that helps you know what to look for in a chiropractor.

Also, as I mentioned before, many chiropractors and DPTs are blurring lines between the two professions because we see value in each other's services. Eventually, they'll virtually be the same, kinda like how MDs and DOs are today.

However, the old way of thinking has to die off, and it hasn't quite yet, but it's getting there.

The more research there is, and the body of research due to more funding, is growing, which is promising.

It's true, though. Sometimes, it's hard for me to refer people to a chiropractor unless I know them personally or they have additional credentials that indicate they know what they're talking about.
 

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For the people saying "yeah well if it's bullshit then why do professional sports teams use it?" you really can't be serious, can you? Sports is so chock full of bullshit that I can't believe you'd say that with a straight face. Especially when it comes to health. Yes let's play on concrete fields with a thin layer of plastic grass over it. Sure that won't cause any problems. What concussions? Those don't exist. Look we can trash doctors researching this! Wait, concussions do exist, but they don't actually do real lasting damage, look we paid these doctors to push that so we can discredit other research. Also concussions are super rare. Wait, we now have doctors to evaluate them, but they totally were not a problem before. There are tons of other examples.

Even if you take the road that the chiros in sports are legitimate and aren't ones pushing any of the bullshit, in that capacity the chiros are more a mix of physical therapists and masseurs. Undoubtedly they shill their bullshit to the players that seem open to it, just not in an official capacity. There's a lot of athletes that provide a unique mix of lack of logical thinking and knowledge, superstitious belief, and with plenty of disposable income that makes them easy prey for bullshit salesman. Short of animals, or rather wealthy animal owners, there's not much better audiences to hawk such services.



So do you still do the light chair? Or was it magnets (I do remember it had lights on it, but maybe that wasn't what was claimed to be doing the healing)? Not even sure that was a chiro thing or just some random "alternative medicine" you shoehorned in since it fit with plenty of the rest of the bullshit you were pushing. Still claim that you can fix ADD/ADHD, oh sorry ADD/ADHD-like, symptoms with a simple spinal adjustment? Point being, you absolutely were shilling wholesale bullshit yourself, so drop the mediatory act like you're some reformed person.

Hell, you never even responded when I pointed out that your claim of it being a simple slipup of not having put "cheerleader" was also complete bullshit as you weren't the official chiro of them either.

You literally tried to claim you were an official doctor (odd how you slipped up cheerleader, but don't consider it a slipup that you claimed to be a doctor) for an NFL team and genuinely did not think that anyone would question it. There's an analogy to be made between our President and his use of the alt-right and your grandiose claims and your use of alt-med. And you act like you're one of the "good" chiros, it's funny how that evolved over time, at one point I seem to recall you claimed chiros were the only real honest "doctors" and that modern medicine was wholesale lies, then after that didn't go over well, you started slowly changing it so that people would be less antagonistic to your bullshit and lies. It's a perfect case study for the No True Scotsman fallacy. And also how dishonest people twist logic to suit themselves and prop up their lies and insane beliefs.

If it wasn't for the fact that people go to you for legitimate health issues, I'd think the whole thing was hilarious. That is why I persist in calling you out on your bullshit. You being wrong about RG3/Luck is possibly the least problematic thing with your posts. It does show exactly how you act and your ready willingness to make ridiculous claims and then your dishonesty in trying to support them, and then when that fails spectacularly, how you do a complete 180 and cop that conciliatory act.

I'm not wasting a ton of time trying to prove anything to you. I'll touch on a few things though, real quick.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about with a "light chair" or the "magnets" thing.

I was one of the official chiropractors of the Washington Redskins cheerleaders between 2013 to 2014. I have treated a few professional athletes (Olympians, NFL players, soccer players, and NCAA athletes). If you don't believe me, I honestly don't care. It really means nothing to me if you don't. I'm not even sure why it matters to you so much.

I never said I was a doctor for any NFL team. Having treated NFL players doesn't mean you work for the team. I did, however, probably say I wanted to work for the Redskins. I've since changed my mind on that after getting inside info about the position.

You can troll me all you like, man. What you may about me doesn't keep me awake at night. But just know that I'm not lying about anything.
 
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My Chiro is a dr. He's helped me with a bunch of muscle related stuff. Maybe its different in canada but everyone I know who has gone to a chiro has had a 100% science based experience.
 

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My Chiro is a dr. He's helped me with a bunch of muscle related stuff. Maybe its different in canada but everyone I know who has gone to a chiro has had a 100% science based experience.
The Canadian national board exams to have the chance to practice in Canada WAY more challenging than the American national board exams. I never took it, but I know about it based on having Canadian classmates who were studying for it and seeing the things that they had to memorize for the tests. There are multiple portions to the national board exams... the American board exams have four parts, and each part has multiple sections. Each part is offered a few times per year.
 
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