Discussion Mediatek SoC thread

[FlameTail]

Dimensity 9400 reaches new heights

3000+ Single Core

OPPO PKC130 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an OPPO PKC130 with an ARM ARMv8 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

9000+ Multi Core

OPPO PKC130 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an OPPO PKC130 with an ARM ARMv8 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Can someone take a look at the JSON file to see the real clock speeds?

 

[poke01]

Can someone take a look at the JSON file to see the real clock speeds?

},
"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [3584, 3118, 3192, 3404, 2917, 3177, 3288, 3176, 3293, 3239, 3205, 3420, 3381, 3431, 3282, 3188, 3250, 3210, 3166, 3072, 3163, 3251, 3145, 3090, 3126, 3268, 3286, 3348, 3346, 3126, 3278, 3380, 3367]
},

GB frequency is broken here

 

[jdubs03]

Dimensity 9400 reaches new heights

3000+ Single Core

OPPO PKC130 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an OPPO PKC130 with an ARM ARMv8 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

9000+ Multi Core

OPPO PKC130 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an OPPO PKC130 with an ARM ARMv8 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Can someone take a look at the JSON file to see the real clock speeds?

},
"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [3584, 3118, 3192, 3404, 2917, 3177, 3288, 3176, 3293, 3239, 3205, 3420, 3381, 3431, 3282, 3188, 3250, 3210, 3166, 3072, 3163, 3251, 3145, 3090, 3126, 3268, 3286, 3348, 3346, 3126, 3278, 3380, 3367]
},

GB frequency is broken here

Will be very interesting to see if multiple runs can show this same level of performance.
If so, the ARM with their X925 will have closed the IPC gap with Apple’s p-core, that’s mightily impressive. Curious about what the power draw too. For the vanilla core to be near/at parity in IPC wasn’t expected.

Granted as in the Apple SoC thread, iOS 18 lowers the ST score by about 4%. So I suppose the X925 IPC would still be lower by that 4% value to the A18 Pro IPC in iOS 17. But no iPhone 16 Pro devices will have iOS 17, so the point is moot. Just an aside, just another variable to consider!

 

[Tup3x]

I wonder how high X925 can scale in laptops (or desktop...).

 

[poke01]

I wonder how high X925 can scale in laptops (or desktop...).

its makes for very good ARM laptops next year doesn't it

 

[FlameTail]

Mediatek Chromebook chip appears in Geekbench6;

MediaTek’s new MT8196 Chromebook SOC gets benchmarked, and it’s fast

While we're right on the cusp of finding out just how good MediaTek's new Kompanio 838 (internally known as the MT8188) will be in the new Lenovo Chromebook Duet we expect at Google's Chromebook Showcase next week, there are other MediaTek chips in development as well. One of these is the...

chromeunboxed.com

1800 Single Core/4800 Multi Core

I am not really familiar with the world of Chromebooks, but this seems like pretty weak performance for what ChromeUnboxed calls the "Most powerful Mediatek Chromebook chip ever".

 

[FlameTail]

I wonder how high X925 can scale in laptops (or desktop...).

10 × [ Cortex X925 + 3 MB pL2 ]
4 × [Cortex A725 + 1 MB pL2 ]
32 MB sL3

That's the max configuration a single DSU-120 unit can support.

 

[jdubs03]

10 × [ Cortex X925 + 3 MB pL2 ]
4 × [Cortex A725 + 1 MB pL2 ]
32 MB sL3

That's the max configuration a single DSU-120 unit can support.
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Seems like that could be quite the competitor to Snapdragon X1E. Even more so if the frequency can be pushed higher towards 4 GHz on the X925.

 

[FlameTail]

Even more so if the frequency can be pushed higher towards 4 GHz on the X925.

Then Qualcomm is cooked.

A CPU that can match the X Elite, and a GPU that is outright better than the X Elite...

 

[Tup3x]

Then Qualcomm is cooked.

A CPU that can match the X Elite, and a GPU that is outright better than the X Elite...

Assuming that new SoCs launch early next year.

 

[jdubs03]

Then Qualcomm is cooked.

A CPU that can match the X Elite, and a GPU that is outright better than the X Elite...

At that point the benefit of licensing the ISA vs licensing the core seems to be less pertinent.

 

[GTracing]

Then Qualcomm is cooked.

A CPU that can match the X Elite, and a GPU that is outright better than the X Elite...

I don't think so. From a technical comparison maybe, not from a buyers perspective imo.

The biggest benefit of using Nvidia graphics will be putting the brand name in advertising, but it's yet to be seen if Mediatek will be allowed to use "Nvidia". It could hurt the brand if the arm chips can't run a large chunk of popular games. With all the press Qualcomm has gotten, they're a stronger brand than Mediatek + renamed-Nvidia. Also, well-informed gamers will stick with x86 anyways.

There are other ways that Qualcomm can stand out. Their media engine is probably more efficient than Nvidia's, which should help win a lot of battery life benchmarks. Qualcomm will likely have more and better options for laptops. And Qualcomm has had a 6 month headstart.

 

[DZero]

I don't think so. From a technical comparison maybe, not from a buyers perspective imo.

The biggest benefit of using Nvidia graphics will be putting the brand name in advertising, but it's yet to be seen if Mediatek will be allowed to use "Nvidia". It could hurt the brand if the arm chips can't run a large chunk of popular games. With all the press Qualcomm has gotten, they're a stronger brand than Mediatek + renamed-Nvidia. Also, well-informed gamers will stick with x86 anyways.

There are other ways that Qualcomm can stand out. Their media engine is probably more efficient than Nvidia's, which should help win a lot of battery life benchmarks. Qualcomm will likely have more and better options for laptops. And Qualcomm has had a 6 month headstart.

What nVIDIA would make the games with better compatibility.
The issue might be the engine used for emulating CPU wise.

Also despite x86 is better for now, the issue is that mobility will have a BIG factor there. if MTK+nVIDIA makes a better product than the best x86 mobile solution, x86 is done for.

 

[GTracing]

What nVIDIA would make the games with better compatibility.
The issue might be the engine used for emulating CPU wise.

Also despite x86 is better for now, the issue is that mobility will have a BIG factor there. if MTK+nVIDIA makes a better product than the best x86 mobile solution, x86 is done for.

The two biggest issues with X Elite game compatibility are anti-cheat kernal modules, and usage of newer instructions which legally can't be emulated. An Nvidia iGPU won't help with either of those.

The way I see it, if Joe Shmo walks into Best buy and buys a Mediatek laptop because it has an Nvidia sticker, and then finds out that it can't run Elden Ring, it's going to hurt his perception of Nvidia.

 

[FlameTail]

The two biggest issues with X Elite game compatibility are anti-cheat kernal modules, and usage of newer instructions which legally can't be emulated. An Nvidia iGPU won't help with either of those.

Why X Elite struggles in gaming?

Qualcomm's shortcomings;
1. Adreno 7xx is a mobile-derived, simple and compute-poor GPU architecture.
2. Snapdragon X GPU drivers seem to be subpar.

Windows' shortcomings:
1. Lack of AVX2 emulation capability in the Prism translation layer (many top games use AVX2).
2. Kernel-level anti-cheats don't have Windows-on-ARM ports (again, many top games use these).

The former two are for Qualcomm to fix, and the latter two are for Microsoft to fix.

The way I see it, if Joe Shmo walks into Best buy and buys a Mediatek laptop because it has an Nvidia sticker, and then finds out that it can't run Elden Ring, it's going to hurt his perception of Nvidia.

I believe the gaming experience on Nvidia-Mediatek SoC will be much better than on Snapdragon X, because it will have Nvidia's GPU architecture + drivers. It will not suffer from the two Qualcomm shortcomings I mentioned above.

 

[GTracing]

I believe the gaming experience on Nvidia-Mediatek SoC will be much better than on Snapdragon X, because it will have Nvidia's GPU architecture + drivers. It will not suffer from the two Qualcomm shortcomings I mentioned above.

I was under the impression that the majority of the gaming issues with the Qualcomm chips were due to the CPU, not the GPU side of things. I can't find any good sources saying one way or another. Though just looking at the list of games, there are a lot that can specifically be nailed down to an anti-cheat or AVX2 issue. I'd be willing to bet that the Mediatek gaming experience will be much closer to X Elite than it will be to Intel or AMD.

 

[DZero]

I was under the impression that the majority of the gaming issues with the Qualcomm chips were due to the CPU, not the GPU side of things. I can't find any good sources saying one way or another. Though just looking at the list of games, there are a lot that can specifically be nailed down to an anti-cheat or AVX2 issue. I'd be willing to bet that the Mediatek gaming experience will be much closer to X Elite than it will be to Intel or AMD.

If somehow is on par with few generations Intel one, it would be a BIG step.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

I was under the impression that the majority of the gaming issues with the Qualcomm chips were due to the CPU, not the GPU side of things. I can't find any good sources saying one way or another. Though just looking at the list of games, there are a lot that can specifically be nailed down to an anti-cheat or AVX2 issue. I'd be willing to bet that the Mediatek gaming experience will be much closer to X Elite than it will be to Intel or AMD.

The Adreno is well built for PS3/X360 classic rendering. Once it tries to run anything close to 8th generation rendering such as GPU driven rendering, Compute tasks, etc, it chokes due to not being built for such workloads.

Mediatek SoC having Nvidia GPU means half of the job (Desktop Class GPU arch + SW side is done. With only CPU and emulation issues remaining.

 

[FlameTail]

Mediatek SoC having Nvidia GPU means half of the job (Desktop Class GPU arch + SW side is done. With only CPU and emulation issues remaining.

Truly. The potency of the Mediatek-Nvidia-ARM alliance is not to be underestimated.

 

[DZero]

Truly. The potency of the Mediatek-Nvidia-ARM alliance is not to be underestimated.
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The Taiwan alliance... now I am REALLY interested.

 

[FlameTail]

Dimensity 9400 GPU benchmark leaked;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838061934094200975

134 FPS in GFXBench Aztec Ruins

For Reference,

D9300: 95FPS±
SD8G3: 95FPS±
A18P: 72FPS±

 

[poke01]

Dimensity 9400 GPU benchmark leaked;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838061934094200975

134 FPS in GFXBench Aztec Ruins

For Reference,

D9300: 95FPS±
SD8G3: 95FPS±
A18P: 72FPS±

this would make it bettedr than M4

 

[jdubs03]

Seems like ARM has really hit it out of the park with their latest designs. Vanilla cores challenging the custom cores was not something I had on my bingo card for 2024/25.

 

[DZero]

What I am more hyped than the Dimensity 9400 is the 8400, I want to see if is all Big Cores or at least 6X Big cores this time.

 

[NTMBK]

Dimensity 9400 GPU benchmark leaked;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838061934094200975

134 FPS in GFXBench Aztec Ruins

For Reference,

D9300: 95FPS±
SD8G3: 95FPS±
A18P: 72FPS±

Nothing for it, Qualcomm will have to buy Intel for their GPU prowess