Medium rare steaks are disgusting

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zerocool84

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It is no joke. It is based on a true story.

Also, this was in the news a few months ago : When animals are slaughtered in the slaughterhouse, the bowels are removed because there is excrement in it. And in excrement, there are bacteria to be found. Accidents happen where the bowels rupture during removal, contaminating the rest of the animal carcass. When this happens, it is not always cleaned up properly or destroyed. I have forgotten what the proper procedure was in such an event.

Also the case : Since there are so many animals in a relatively small area and since antibiotics is used on a large scale, the chance increases that these animals are host to a bacteria that has become antibiotic resistant.

This documentary is about widespread use of antibiotics and about the superbug.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365345810/


Another scenario may be that you consume meat that has not been hot enough to destroy eggs or worms or other parasites...
Recently a Chinese man went to see a doctor because he had head aches and loss of memory. The man was observed for a while with MRI only to find out that he had a 10 millimeter long tapeworm in his brain that had moved over a distance of 50 millimeters inside his brain. He might have received the tapeworm by consuming food with the worm (or eggs) in it.

Humanity has come far because roasting meat, killed off parasites and pathogens.

So basically no one knows how this guy got this tapeworm, you're just trying to use it as propaganda for your side of the story.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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It is no joke. It is based on a true story.

Also, this was in the news a few months ago : When animals are slaughtered in the slaughterhouse, the bowels are removed because there is excrement in it. And in excrement, there are bacteria to be found. Accidents happen where the bowels rupture during removal, contaminating the rest of the animal carcass. When this happens, it is not always cleaned up properly or destroyed. I have forgotten what the proper procedure was in such an event.

Also the case : Since there are so many animals in a relatively small area and since antibiotics is used on a large scale, the chance increases that these animals are host to a bacteria that has become antibiotic resistant.

This documentary is about widespread use of antibiotics and about the superbug.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365345810/


Another scenario may be that you consume meat that has not been hot enough to destroy eggs or worms or other parasites...
Recently a Chinese man went to see a doctor because he had head aches and loss of memory. The man was observed for a while with MRI only to find out that he had a 10 millimeter long tapeworm in his brain that had moved over a distance of 50 millimeters inside his brain. He might have received the tapeworm by consuming food with the worm (or eggs) in it.

Humanity has come far because roasting meat, killed off parasites and pathogens.

Now i have an huge craving for steak tartare...do they still sell that in the butcher shops/grocery stores in Holland?

 
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best solution is to avoid (lol!) industrial meat. boutique butchers and restaurants can do that easily, however.
Exactly. If you look around it's likely there are local suppliers that can provide safer and better quality meats.

Ordered this last week. It's a local farm (about an hour away). If their product is good we'll be ordering an entire side.
 
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Now i have an huge craving for steak tartare...do they still sell that in the butcher shops/grocery stores in Holland?


Of course. But it is at your own risk to eat it. I do not eat raw meat or raw fish and will go ferociously in discussion when my decision is not accepted. I just do not like it.

Of course, prevention is taken seriously and maybe you have seen the news, but this week i think a total of about 60.000 chickens and ducks were removed and killed prematurely because of the bird flu. This flu H5N8 killed already thousands of chickens but does not seem to be deadly to humans. Killing so many seems cruel, but they would have been killed anyway for consumption.
The method used i think is to use CO gas in a non ventilated chamber. I am not sure about that. That is at least relatively painless. Poisonous symptoms are similar as having the flu and then the chickens go to sleep forever.

I do think there is too much meat for sale.


EDIT:
If you like raw meat like steak tartare, you can (it is sort of the same) also try the sandwich spread version called filet American :

 
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So basically no one knows how this guy got this tapeworm, you're just trying to use it as propaganda for your side of the story.

It is highly likely he got it from consuming food. If you want to call it propaganda go right ahead. I am just warning about the possible dangers.
It is highly likely that he got it from consuming food in China.

The life cycle of tapeworm is complex and comprises of a few different hosts.
The larva live in other animals, maybe snails, i do not know.
If i use wiki for convenience :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cestoda

Humans are subject to parasitism by several species of tapeworms if they eat undercooked meat such as pork (Taenia solium), beef (T. saginata), and fish (Diphyllobothrium spp.), or if they live in, or eat food prepared in, conditions of poor hygiene (Hymenolepis or Echinococcus species).

I always thought that the tape worms were confined to the digestive tract. But i read here (when assuming it is correct) that some tapeworms form cysts that migrate to muscle tissue. Steak comes to mind...

The lifecycle of tapeworms is simple in the sense that no asexual phases occur as in other flatworms, but complicated in that at least one intermediate host is required as well as the definitive host. This lifecycle pattern has been a crucial criterion for assessing evolution among Platyhelminthes.[13] Many tapeworms have a two-phase lifecycle with two types of hosts. The adult Taenia saginata lives in the gut of a primate such as a human, but more alarming is Taenia solium, which can form cysts in the human brain. Proglottids leave the body through the anus and fall onto the ground, where they may be eaten with grass by an animal such as a cow. If the tapeworm is compatible with the eating animal, this animal becomes an intermediate host. The juvenile form of the worm enters through the mouth, but then migrates and establishes as a cyst in the intermediate host's body tissues such as muscles, rather than the gut. This can cause more damage to the intermediate host than it does to its definitive host. The parasite completes its lifecycle when the intermediate host passes on the parasite to the definitive host. This is usually done by the definitive host eating a suitably infected intermediate host, e.g., a human eating raw or undercooked meat

Hence , why i think that humans had a lot better survival rate (by coincidence) thousands of years ago when they discovered that they could use fire to roast the meat.
 
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KMFJD

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Of course. But it is at your own risk to eat it. I do not eat raw meat or raw fish and will go ferociously in discussion when my decision is not accepted. I just do not like it.

Of course, prevention is taken seriously and maybe you have seen the news, but this week i think a total of about 60.000 chickens and ducks were removed and killed prematurely because of the bird flu. This flu H5N8 killed already thousands of chickens but does not seem to be deadly to humans. Killing so many seems cruel, but they would have been killed anyway for consumption.
The method used i think is to use CO gas in a non ventilated chamber. I am not sure about that. That is at least relatively painless. Poisonous symptoms are similar as having the flu and then the chickens go to sleep forever.

I do think there is too much meat for sale.


EDIT:
If you like raw meat like steak tartare, you can (it is sort of the same) also try the sandwich spread version called filet American :


Filet American is what we always ate around New Years
 

Black Octagon

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I rarely eat red meat these days but as a general rule the less cooked the better.

Fresh carpaccio

Horse steak cooked bleu

Beef steak tartare

Mmmmm.

P.S., The occasional scandal notwithstanding, Europe's food production, food contact materials and food transport industries are some of the most highly regulated in the world. It's safe.
 

Rakehellion

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It is highly likely he got it from consuming food. If you want to call it propaganda go right ahead. I am just warning about the possible dangers.
It is highly likely that he got it from consuming food in China.

The life cycle of tapeworm is complex and comprises of a few different hosts.
The larva live in other animals, maybe snails, i do not know.
If i use wiki for convenience :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cestoda



I always thought that the tape worms were confined to the digestive tract. But i read here (when assuming it is correct) that some tapeworms form cysts that migrate to muscle tissue. Steak comes to mind...



Hence , why i think that humans had a lot better survival rate (by coincidence) thousands of years ago when they discovered that they could use fire to roast the meat.

There's more bullshit in this post than at the Niman Ranch.
 
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There's more bullshit in this post than at the Niman Ranch.

I find the same in your post. Come up with an explanation why i am wrong ?
I stated that it is a possibility.
I do not know how often a tapeworm infection occurs in live stock, but i am sure you are going to tell me.
Or are you just like a tape worm going to hang around in bull shit all day ?
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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I find the same in your post. Come up with an explanation why i am wrong ?
I stated that it is a possibility.
I do not know how often a tapeworm infection occurs in live stock, but i am sure you are going to tell me.
Or are you just like a tape worm going to hang around in bull shit all day ?

I'd perhaps read up and then flame someone.

Tapeworms are very common even in untreated pets.
 

LevelSea

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and when the Doctor told me I didn't have worms anymore, that was the happiest day of my life.
 

zinfamous

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Not everyone likes both textures nor does everyone want that big of a cut.

Then the inferior people need to learn, right?

Porterhouse is fantastic. It's basically what you get with bistecca fiorentina. (which is designed as the central dish for the dinner party--not one person--which means that Americans are generally dumb when it comes to meat. ).

(that bistecca is a also traditionally a thick-cut monster of something like 30+ oz.) ...but that 30 oz should feed ~5 people. not 2 or 3, as Americans seem to think.
 
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alkemyst

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Then the inferior people need to learn, right?

Porterhouse is fantastic. It's basically what you get with bistecca fiorentina. (which is designed as the central dish for the dinner party--not one person--which means that Americans are generally dumb when it comes to meat. ).

(that bistecca is a also traditionally a thick-cut monster of something like 30+ oz.) ...but that 30 oz should feed ~5 people. not 2 or 3, as Americans seem to think.

Wow, anti-american lol.

Most good steak houses, serve their Porterhouse marked as 'for 2 or more'
 
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