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Kaido

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Quick question specifically about the sous vide function - you mentioned chicken in 30 mins - I usually sous vide chicken breast around 140 but my understanding is if you cook it that low it needs to hold at that temp for a certain extended amount of time for it to be safe - is there something I'm missing w/ this? Or are you cooking it to a higher temp for the 30 min cook?

I'm purposely avoiding reading too much on this...

Did some more testing yesterday, I think this is the workflow:

1. Oven has to preheat (typically under 5 minutes)
2. Meat (or other item) has to reach temp (per probe)
3. Based on the thickness of the meat, you can cook faster-than-typical SV (particularly a steak, beast, chop, etc.), based on the charts. For example, if your chicken breast stays at 140F for 30 minutes (time vs. temp)

So I think it's a bit like the Instapot's claims, you know, "3 minute rice", when really it takes say 6 minutes to heat up & 10 minutes to do a Natural Pressure Release, so really 20 minutes total. I did the steak yesterday:


Per step 4:

Connect the probe to the port inside the Oven. We're cooking at a temperature that's a little higher than you'll want your steaks to reach. For a 1"-thick steak, this will cut cooking time from 50 minutes to about 25 minutes! This recipe will produce a medium-rare steak. Adjust the probe target to the same temperature you prefer your sous vide steak, but subtract 1°C/2°F because the meat will carry over slightly. For example, set the probe target to: 49°C/120°F for Rare 51°C/124°F for Medium Rare 53°C/127°F for Medium

Their chicken breast recipe takes a bit of a different approach, where they hit a 163.4F probe target & then it's either ready to go or switches to 140F:


I'm getting the itch to write a guide again, so maybe I'll start piecing together something on the APO, because I think it offers a LOT of really great, personally-beneficial features that aren't readily apparently or clearly communicated (the included manual is fairly sparse, lol).
 

BudAshes

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Did some more testing yesterday, I think this is the workflow:

1. Oven has to preheat (typically under 5 minutes)
2. Meat (or other item) has to reach temp (per probe)
3. Based on the thickness of the meat, you can cook faster-than-typical SV (particularly a steak, beast, chop, etc.), based on the charts. For example, if your chicken breast stays at 140F for 30 minutes (time vs. temp)

So I think it's a bit like the Instapot's claims, you know, "3 minute rice", when really it takes say 6 minutes to heat up & 10 minutes to do a Natural Pressure Release, so really 20 minutes total. I did the steak yesterday:


Per step 4:

Connect the probe to the port inside the Oven. We're cooking at a temperature that's a little higher than you'll want your steaks to reach. For a 1"-thick steak, this will cut cooking time from 50 minutes to about 25 minutes! This recipe will produce a medium-rare steak. Adjust the probe target to the same temperature you prefer your sous vide steak, but subtract 1°C/2°F because the meat will carry over slightly. For example, set the probe target to: 49°C/120°F for Rare 51°C/124°F for Medium Rare 53°C/127°F for Medium

This all seems entirely unnecessary for making steak.
 

Kaido

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This all seems entirely unnecessary for making steak.

Sous-vide is about precision & getting perfect, repeatable results exactly the way you want it. The method itself is fairly hands-off, it's mostly just a waiting game. In the case of the APO, the procedure is:

1. Stick steak on tray, stick probe in steak, insert tray into oven
2. Let it do its cooking cycle (one to 8 hours)
3. Sear (chimney, weed torch, cast-iron, grill, deep-fry, etc.)

One of the benefits is that you can make your food ahead of time & either stick it in the fridge or freeze it. So you get really great food plus optionally meal-prep features. The APO just makes it easier because you don't have to fill up a bath of water, preheat it, and then vac-seal your food.
 

BudAshes

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Sous-vide is about precision & getting perfect, repeatable results exactly the way you want it. The method itself is fairly hands-off, it's mostly just a waiting game. In the case of the APO, the procedure is:

1. Stick steak on tray, stick probe in steak, insert tray into oven
2. Let it do its cooking cycle (one to 8 hours)
3. Sear (chimney, weed torch, cast-iron, grill, deep-fry, etc.)

One of the benefits is that you can make your food ahead of time & either stick it in the fridge or freeze it. So you get really great food plus optionally meal-prep features. The APO just makes it easier because you don't have to fill up a bath of water, preheat it, and then vac-seal your food.


Just skip steps 1 and 2 for success!
 

Kaido

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I did wings (whole) straight out of the fridge at 450F (rear element) for 35 minutes. Awesome. Finished with Frank's hot sauce mixed with melted butter plus some seasoning.

I would buy this machine for wings alone. This plate would cost me at least $8 locally, plus another $8 if I wanted Uber Delivery. Adult-sized air-fryer lol.

 
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snoopy7548

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I did wings (whole) straight out of the fridge at 450F (rear element) for 35 minutes. Awesome. Finished with Frank's hot sauce mixed with melted butter plus some seasoning.

I would buy this machine for wings alone. This plate would cost me at least $8 locally, plus another $8 if I wanted Uber Delivery. Adult-sized air-fryer lol.

You need to clean your blinds:

 
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Kaido

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lol spot clean oven just means you don't use it.

I cleaned my APO's interior twice when I first got it, then gave up. It's like the bulking phase of bodybuilding...I'm just building a patina right now lol.
 

sdifox

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I cleaned my APO's interior twice when I first got it, then gave up. It's like the bulking phase of bodybuilding...I'm just building a patina right now lol.

I use a 1.25" putty knife on my smoothtop range.
 
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Captante

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Sous vide > braising. But yeah, it does it lol. Their Korean ribs recipe has you do 50% steam at 300F for 2.5 hours, fully automated! Behold the power of a Combi Oven:



Awww man .... I gotta remember to avoid clicking on this thread until AFTER I've eaten lunch!

Stomach is make bad noises now!
 

Kaido

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lol spot clean oven just means you don't use it.

That's really it...your oven is dark for a reason, it's so you don't see how dirty the interior is!! lol

Plus I always get suspicious when I see super-clean stuff like say half-sheet baking sheets...I switched to using pre-cut parchment a couple years ago (BRILLIANT stuff!), but you still get spills & leaks that stain it, which means that anytime you see a really clean sheet, it means someone is obsessively cleaning their bakeware on a regular basis lol. There's only so much Barkeeper's Friend I can manually apply before I want to cry, hahaha
 

sdifox

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That's really it...your oven is dark for a reason, it's so you don't see how dirty the interior is!! lol

Plus I always get suspicious when I see super-clean stuff like say half-sheet baking sheets...I switched to using pre-cut parchment a couple years ago (BRILLIANT stuff!), but you still get spills & leaks that stain it, which means that anytime you see a really clean sheet, it means someone is obsessively cleaning their bakeware on a regular basis lol. There's only so much Barkeeper's Friend I can manually apply before I want to cry, hahaha


I just soak them a few hours.
 

Aikouka

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For my past week's worth of usage, I would be willing to free up the extra space & also run a 20A circuit to accommodate the larger size to heat up, if needed, but I think they were trying to make the device as approachable as possible, which is understandable because outside of the Cuisinart CSO-300, this is the only (true) mini Combi on the American market afaik.

Honestly, upgrading to 20A is not likely a lot of work for most people... if your home was built within the past... I would guess... two to three decades or so. I don't know a ton to know when the shift occurred, but at one point, they stopped using #14 wiring for standard outlet runs and started using #12 wiring with 20A breakers. My understanding is that this was done to facilitate the usage of multiple outlets without tripping a breaker.

When I reworked my kitchen, I ran six 20A circuits: fridge, microwave + gas stove, disposal, dishwasher, and two small appliance circuits (SAC). It's not a huge kitchen (about 12x12), but I do wish that I would've considered three or four SACs instead of just two. I haven't ran into any issues yet, but after adding a Ninja Foodi Grill (really handy, by the way), having a bit of extra head room would be nice. Although, at one point, I had the Ninja Foodi Grill baking, an HTPC running (with monitor on), and a slow cooker on warm without any issues.

Anyway, the point is to suggest that it's plausible that some folks may already have the wiring and breakers to support 20A outlets, but they'd need to be cautious to know that running anything else substantial on that circuit would likely overload it if the heavy draw device is truly using that much power. Although, I guess it wouldn't be crazy for them to upgrade to #10 and use a 30A breaker to get the same effect as using 15A outlets on #12.
 

Kaido

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Just over a month into ownership:

1. I have roughly a dozen issues. All minor, none show-stopping. Mostly fiddly little things like the stock pan warped, so I chucked it & bought some heavier-duty ones that fit inside. Pretty much all first-generation teething issues. If you're the type of person who needs a perfect machine, wait six months until they have the oddball glitches all worked out. For me, well, I'm pretty sure my machine has already paid for itself lol.

2. The convenience of this thing is amazing. I hate to say it, but I think I love it more than my Instant Pot. Wow, that hurts saying it out loud. But it's true

3. I am constantly finding new stuff to make with it. Someone just figured out how to make waffles, and they come out better than an iron! I've done pasta, rice, etc. Unsupervised cooking is totally my jam, lol. This is absolutely the future of cooking!

I just discovered turkey tenderloin, only ever had pork tenderloin before. Unbelievable when done sous-vide with a quick pan sear. Went back & stocked up...we're 100% doing this for Turkey Day lol.

 
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Kaido

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Did this one the other day - 7oz 80/20 patty, hand-formed & plopped on a tray for 2 hours at 135F in sous-vide mode in the APO. Pan-seared in a cast-iron skillet. Fried up the buns & flipped them upside down. Pretty dang good! I love this oven haha:

 

heymrdj

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Ok I’ll bite, what does turning the bun upside down do? I’m imagining the bite and not seeing the reasoning there. Looks good though!
 

sdifox

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Ok I’ll bite, what does turning the bun upside down do? I’m imagining the bite and not seeing the reasoning there. Looks good though!


It is called I done goofed but I'll pretend it is on purpose.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
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Ok I’ll bite, what does turning the bun upside down do? I’m imagining the bite and not seeing the reasoning there. Looks good though!

Sort of makes it like a grilled cheese sandwich-style crust. Instead of the top crust of a the bun, you get the griddled crumb of the bread. Stole the idea from Wayback Burgers:

 

WelshBloke

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Aint no
Did this one the other day - 7oz 80/20 patty, hand-formed & plopped on a tray for 2 hours at 135F in sous-vide mode in the APO. Pan-seared in a cast-iron skillet. Fried up the buns & flipped them upside down. Pretty dang good! I love this oven haha:

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Aint no one got two hours to spend cooking a burger!
 
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