Mel Gibson may be Blacklisted in Hollywood over New Film

[JackBurton]

The works of THALLUS, a Smaritan historian; Tacitus, a Roman historian; Pliney the Younger, and the works of Josephus. None of these historians were Christians, so they can provide you with an unbiased account of the historical Jesus.

I'm glad you mentioned Josephus. He is a great example. Now let's see what Josephus had to say. He was around when this Jesus was supposedly alive and did give a totally unbiased account of what was happening when this supposed Jesus character was around. Let read...

An upper-class Jew who eventually threw his lot in with the Roman cause, Josephus wrote a history of the Jews in which he mentioned just about everyone he knew about. Josephus was present during the Jewish rebellion of 68 to 72 C.E. He wrote a detailed analysis of that war. However, he wrote nothing of Jesus?who presumably died 40 years previously and whose followers would have been the focus of persecution. Josephus' omission speaks loudly. In fact, the early Christian leaders saw that, too. Someone, at some point, slipped a description of Jesus' ministry into Josephus' manuscript. This mention of Jesus is fairly roundly identified as a forgery. I don't know of anyone, religious or not, who believes in it. The fact that someone felt it necessary to alter Josephus does tell us this: It was very important to the early church leaders that we believe?so important that they went to extraordinary means to ensure we did. Given that, it becomes that much more important to view skeptically the gospels or any similar writings.

Hmmm, since you brought up Josephus, I guess he is sure Jesus didn't exist. But what does he know, he was only THERE 2000 yrs ago when this event supposedly took place.

Its nice to no so many intellectual giants frequent this forum, perhaps the burning questions of man over the last 2000 years can be solved right here today LOL

It has been solved.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Although I think Mel Gibson's new movie is a 100% accurate fairy tale, I commend him for doing what he wanted and not letting anyone bully him around. If Hollywood is going to shun him, fvck 'em!

Care to share with us the basis for assigning the movie "fairy tale" status?

Perhaps you yourself are a modern day historian that could help me reconcile some previous work and concepts no?

The works of THALLUS, a Smaritan historian; Tacitus, a Roman historian; Pliney the Younger, and the works of Josephus. None of these historians were Christians, so they can provide you with an unbiased account of the historical Jesus. Also, Fox's book of Martyrs. This book contains an extensive listing of early Christian Martyrs and how they were killed. Most of the deaths occur shortly after the death of Christ. The question we should ask is what was it they believed that caused them to be willing to die in such a way...fed to lions, impaled on stakes, covered in pitch and set on fire to light Roman roads.

Its nice to no so many intellectual giants frequent this forum, perhaps the burning questions of man over the last 2000 years can be solved right here today LOL

ALL of them born at least a generation AFTER the supposed death of Jesus. The argument could be made that they were simply reporting on word-of-mouth stories they had heard, since NONE of them witnessed it, or him, first hand. In fact, NO writing about him has ever been found from DURING the time Jesus is said to have lived. ALL are at least a generation after the fact.

I can give you an unbiased account of Atlantis. That doesn't make it fact.

Finally, what caused Jim Jones and his followers to be willing to die in such a way? What caused the Heaven's Gate folks to be so willing to die? What causes Homicide bombers to be so willing to die? What caused the Branch Davidians to be so willing to die?

Christianity does not have exclusivity on stupid people throwing their lives away on blind faith.

Try to form a more logical argument if you're going to insult other people's intelligence, OK?

 

[DigDug]

I'd like to speak with Gibson's father and tell him that Jesus didn't exist. Nimrod.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Homerboy
wait wait wait...

do you REALLY think Mel Gibson, as powerful of an actor, dicrector and producer as he is, is REALLY afraid of being blacklisted by some people? He made this movie, a blockbuster and Im sure MOvie of the Year candidate, all by his lonesome self and he could easily do it again if/when he wanted to.

Im not saying he wont be "crippled" by not having support of this and that person, but he will have just enough allies and friends to "squeak by" Im sure.

Young actors/actresses will still flock to star in one of his movies... this whole black listing thing is nothing but anti-hype and Im can assure you that Mel is not worried about his career from this angle.

Again, you miss the point.

The point is NOT:

*This will hurt Gibson
*Gibson should be worried
*That he's really being blacklisted or not

The point IS:

The blatant hypocrisy of the left. They scream "McCarthyism!" if FANS boycott hollywood folks who speak out against the war or their country, yet do the same damn thing when someone has an opinion that differs from their own.

This has absolutely nothing to do with 'left' or 'right' or politics, so stop trying to turn it into that type of issue, you fvcking ignorant terd.

the article quoted what, 3 or 4 people who expressed that they would not be interested in working with Mel Gibson again. Thats 3 or 4 out of how many? How do you know those people aren't republicans or libertarians?

You know what they say about assumptions.

Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen are ardant supporters of liberal causes and politics. As are the vast majority of the other heads of Hollywood studios.

Next time you choose to insult someone, know what the fsck you're talking about.

Maybe they are, maybe they arent, but their deciding to not work with Mel Gibson still has nothing whatsoever to do with said 'liberal causes and politics'. Im glad liberals piss you off though. Knowing my politics piss off the ignorant is just a welcome perk to being one of those mean ol communist liberals.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

The works of THALLUS, a Smaritan historian; Tacitus, a Roman historian; Pliney the Younger, and the works of Josephus. None of these historians were Christians, so they can provide you with an unbiased account of the historical Jesus.

I'm glad you mentioned Josephus. He is a great example. Now let's see what Josephus had to say. He was around when this Jesus was supposedly alive and did give a totally unbiased account of what was happening when this supposed Jesus character was around. Let read...

An upper-class Jew who eventually threw his lot in with the Roman cause, Josephus wrote a history of the Jews in which he mentioned just about everyone he knew about. Josephus was present during the Jewish rebellion of 68 to 72 C.E. He wrote a detailed analysis of that war. However, he wrote nothing of Jesus?who presumably died 40 years previously and whose followers would have been the focus of persecution. Josephus' omission speaks loudly. In fact, the early Christian leaders saw that, too. Someone, at some point, slipped a description of Jesus' ministry into Josephus' manuscript. This mention of Jesus is fairly roundly identified as a forgery. I don't know of anyone, religious or not, who believes in it. The fact that someone felt it necessary to alter Josephus does tell us this: It was very important to the early church leaders that we believe?so important that they went to extraordinary means to ensure we did. Given that, it becomes that much more important to view skeptically the gospels or any similar writings.

Hmmm, since you brought up Josephus, I guess he is sure Jesus didn't exist. But what does he know, he was only THERE 2000 yrs ago when this event supposedly took place.

Its nice to no so many intellectual giants frequent this forum, perhaps the burning questions of man over the last 2000 years can be solved right here today LOL

It has been solved.

Exactly what is the source of your material (link).

Stop the presses, ANANDTECH Forum proves Jesus never lived! LOL you guys are to much

 

[Romans828]

Try to form a more logical argument if you're going to insult other people's intelligence, OK?

I didnt turn the collective study of thousands of people over 2000 years into an instant "fairy tale", (talk about INSULTING)

You know what all the education in the world does not get you? A relationship with God.

You can't find Jesus in a book, you find him in your heart.

You silly fellows crack me up. Of course Jesus is real, just cause you don't know it does not change reality.

 

[conjur]

I think it's an opportune time to bring in a quote from Scoobmaster from glen's thread:

Yep - it is frustrating. When his whole worldview and frame of reference is based on assumptions that are illogical it makes rational debate difficult if not impossible. Usually when I make some valid points about flaws in his thinking or inconsistancies in the bible (easy in the old testament) he retreats to "I know truth and the TRUTH is the truth" and then further debate is pointless.

 

[Graphicd00d]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
So him not wanting to talk about his anti-semitic father, makes him a Nazi?

I'm sure if I had a relative that was denying the Holocaust happened, I wouldn't want to talk to Diane Sawyer about it either.

Before you start throwing out false statements you should do your homework. He is far from being anti-semetic. He has many close friends that are Jewish.

The reason why he didn't want to talk about it is because Diane Sawyer tried to put a wedge between Mel and his father. Mel may not agree with all that his father Hutton talks about but he agrees with most of it.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Try to form a more logical argument if you're going to insult other people's intelligence, OK?

I didnt turn the collective study of thousands of people over 2000 years into an instant "fairy tale", (talk about INSULTING)

You know what all the education in the world does not get you? A relationship with God.

You can't find Jesus in a book, you find him in your heart.

You silly fellows crack me up. Of course Jesus is real, just cause you don't know it does not change reality.

Man, you are right. With that kind of thinking I now believe in magic fairies.

You know what all the education in the world does not get you? A relationship with magic fairies.

You can't find fairies in a book, you find them in your heart.

You delusional maniacs crack me up. Of course fairies are real, just cause you don't know it does not change reality.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Homerboy
wait wait wait...

do you REALLY think Mel Gibson, as powerful of an actor, dicrector and producer as he is, is REALLY afraid of being blacklisted by some people? He made this movie, a blockbuster and Im sure MOvie of the Year candidate, all by his lonesome self and he could easily do it again if/when he wanted to.

Im not saying he wont be "crippled" by not having support of this and that person, but he will have just enough allies and friends to "squeak by" Im sure.

Young actors/actresses will still flock to star in one of his movies... this whole black listing thing is nothing but anti-hype and Im can assure you that Mel is not worried about his career from this angle.

Again, you miss the point.

The point is NOT:

*This will hurt Gibson
*Gibson should be worried
*That he's really being blacklisted or not

The point IS:

The blatant hypocrisy of the left. They scream "McCarthyism!" if FANS boycott hollywood folks who speak out against the war or their country, yet do the same damn thing when someone has an opinion that differs from their own.

This has absolutely nothing to do with 'left' or 'right' or politics, so stop trying to turn it into that type of issue, you fvcking ignorant terd.

the article quoted what, 3 or 4 people who expressed that they would not be interested in working with Mel Gibson again. Thats 3 or 4 out of how many? How do you know those people aren't republicans or libertarians?

You know what they say about assumptions.

Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen are ardant supporters of liberal causes and politics. As are the vast majority of the other heads of Hollywood studios.

Next time you choose to insult someone, know what the fsck you're talking about.

Maybe they are, maybe they arent, but their deciding to not work with Mel Gibson still has nothing whatsoever to do with said 'liberal causes and politics'. Im glad liberals piss you off though. Knowing my politics piss off the ignorant is just a welcome perk to being one of those mean ol communist liberals.

Your politics don't piss me off. They may make me shake my head in amazement at your blatant denial of reality, but they don't piss me off.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Try to form a more logical argument if you're going to insult other people's intelligence, OK?

I didnt turn the collective study of thousands of people over 2000 years into an instant "fairy tale", (talk about INSULTING)

You know what all the education in the world does not get you? A relationship with God.

You can't find Jesus in a book, you find him in your heart.

You silly fellows crack me up. Of course Jesus is real, just cause you don't know it does not change reality.

The bible is not a "collective study." It's entire formation was controlled by one entity: The Holy Roman Church.

Your beliefs based on FAITH are no better, or worse than anyone else's. The problem here is, you seem unwilling to accept that it is FAITH, not FACT that you believe in. Once you accept that fact, you'll no longer be bothered by people calling it "fairy tales."

 

F hollywood.

"Hollywood" the entity is the largest group of hypocrites EVER.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Romans828

Try to form a more logical argument if you're going to insult other people's intelligence, OK?

I didnt turn the collective study of thousands of people over 2000 years into an instant "fairy tale", (talk about INSULTING)

You know what all the education in the world does not get you? A relationship with God.

You can't find Jesus in a book, you find him in your heart.

You silly fellows crack me up. Of course Jesus is real, just cause you don't know it does not change reality.

The bible is not a "collective study." It's entire formation was controlled by one entity: The Holy Roman Church.

Your beliefs based on FAITH are no better, or worse than anyone else's. The problem here is, you seem unwilling to accept that it is FAITH, not FACT that you believe in. Once you accept that fact, you'll no longer be bothered by people calling it "fairy tales."

Ok this much I agree with........

Its a fact I have faith, but so do you (just in something different)

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: pulse8
bah...

The only thing that matters is money and everyone is just pissed because they refused to pickup this movie.

Mel Gibson is going to make enough from this movie that him AND his children will NEVER have to work a day in their lives again and enough that Hollywood will do whatever he wants because of it.

Yeah...

You gotta love people that make money off of their religion. Outstanding.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: pulse8
bah...

The only thing that matters is money and everyone is just pissed because they refused to pickup this movie.

Mel Gibson is going to make enough from this movie that him AND his children will NEVER have to work a day in their lives again and enough that Hollywood will do whatever he wants because of it.

Yeah...

You gotta love people that make money off of their religion. Outstanding.

Who says he did it for the money? Do you know that's why he did it? I don't. I think I'll hold off on my judgement until I can know for sure. You go ahead and make judgements that have zero basis though. Whatever works for you I guess.

 

[NonOffensiveNameHere]

This movie made me feel very uncomfortable when I watched it. And I commend Mel for that.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: pulse8
bah...

The only thing that matters is money and everyone is just pissed because they refused to pickup this movie.

Mel Gibson is going to make enough from this movie that him AND his children will NEVER have to work a day in their lives again and enough that Hollywood will do whatever he wants because of it.

Yeah...

You gotta love people that make money off of their religion. Outstanding.

Who says he did it for the money? Do you know that's why he did it? I don't. I think I'll hold off on my judgement until I can know for sure. You go ahead and make judgements that have zero basis though. Whatever works for you I guess.

Mel fought with suicide for a while and the jesus' sacrifice helped him through it. At least thats what ive heard. So that may be why he did this movie--because those who think of suicide can take comfort in a god willing to go through the tourture for everyones' soul.

 

[shimsham]

im sure mel gibson expected this. i dont believe he is naive enough to not anticipate it.

while im not an atheist or a bible thumper, i think anyone claiming to know fact either way is just as ignorant and naive as those they point fingers at. all history is written with a bias and altered in some form or another by contemporary and latter authors, so the only way to truly know is to be there yourself. its all based on faith, religious or not, so you are all doing the same thing: believing what you have read, when the only ones that know for sure are the ones who were there.

 

[Horus]

I hate to bust into a theological discussion(or heated argument) but...

People that say Jesus is real...WHERE IS THE PROOF? I cannot see how people blindly follow something without any evidence to back it up.

On the other hand, you could say that there is no evidence to say that he was NOT real...the testiment of a few people say he was alive.

Me=non-practicing Roman Catholic, confirmed and so-on, so-forth...did the bible studies...But blind faith to me, is a very, very scary thing. What Mel is doing is what his faith tells him to do. If he is shunned for his beliefs, so be it.

He's following one of the most complex scripts ever written...can you blame him?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: pulse8
bah...

The only thing that matters is money and everyone is just pissed because they refused to pickup this movie.

Mel Gibson is going to make enough from this movie that him AND his children will NEVER have to work a day in their lives again and enough that Hollywood will do whatever he wants because of it.

Yeah...

You gotta love people that make money off of their religion. Outstanding.

Who says he did it for the money? Do you know that's why he did it? I don't. I think I'll hold off on my judgement until I can know for sure. You go ahead and make judgements that have zero basis though. Whatever works for you I guess.

Is Mr. Gibson not making any money off this?

Who knows why he made the movie and frankly I don't care. My point was that he is accumulating wealth through his religion. Does that not bother you? Now if he was turning all his movie (Passion) earnings over to charity, that would be different.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: pulse8
bah...

The only thing that matters is money and everyone is just pissed because they refused to pickup this movie.

Mel Gibson is going to make enough from this movie that him AND his children will NEVER have to work a day in their lives again and enough that Hollywood will do whatever he wants because of it.

Yeah...

You gotta love people that make money off of their religion. Outstanding.

Who says he did it for the money? Do you know that's why he did it? I don't. I think I'll hold off on my judgement until I can know for sure. You go ahead and make judgements that have zero basis though. Whatever works for you I guess.

Is Mr. Gibson not making any money off this?

Who knows why he made the movie and frankly I don't care. My point was that he is accumulating wealth through his religion. Does that not bother you? Now if he was turning all his movie (Passion) earnings over to charity, that would be different.

I wouldnt be suprised if he did that, or used it to make more movies to spread his religious beliefs.

Its not wrong if he is using it to continue what he started probably. Plus, being who he is, he probably donates a ton to charities. I know I would. Money doesnt seem to make religious people very happy (because they don't live for it like some)

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: pulse8
bah...

The only thing that matters is money and everyone is just pissed because they refused to pickup this movie.

Mel Gibson is going to make enough from this movie that him AND his children will NEVER have to work a day in their lives again and enough that Hollywood will do whatever he wants because of it.

Yeah...

You gotta love people that make money off of their religion. Outstanding.

Who says he did it for the money? Do you know that's why he did it? I don't. I think I'll hold off on my judgement until I can know for sure. You go ahead and make judgements that have zero basis though. Whatever works for you I guess.

Is Mr. Gibson not making any money off this?

Who knows why he made the movie and frankly I don't care. My point was that he is accumulating wealth through his religion. Does that not bother you? Now if he was turning all his movie (Passion) earnings over to charity, that would be different.

The more money he makes, the more money his church makes. I believe traditional Catholics tithe at least 10% faithfully.

And why shouldn't he make money from his artistic talent? He gets paid, the church gets publicity AND paid. Everyone is a winner.

 

[SneakyStuff]

I think that they are making a big deal over something that, like said earlier in this thread, has been shown before. Mel Gibson funded this movie himself, so I don't see why they're biting at his heels now.

 

[TallBill]

On a side note, what a way to invest 30 million dollars. Self driven profit.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

The works of THALLUS, a Smaritan historian; Tacitus, a Roman historian; Pliney the Younger, and the works of Josephus. None of these historians were Christians, so they can provide you with an unbiased account of the historical Jesus.

I'm glad you mentioned Josephus. He is a great example. Now let's see what Josephus had to say. He was around when this Jesus was supposedly alive and did give a totally unbiased account of what was happening when this supposed Jesus character was around. Let read...

An upper-class Jew who eventually threw his lot in with the Roman cause, Josephus wrote a history of the Jews in which he mentioned just about everyone he knew about. Josephus was present during the Jewish rebellion of 68 to 72 C.E. He wrote a detailed analysis of that war. However, he wrote nothing of Jesus?who presumably died 40 years previously and whose followers would have been the focus of persecution. Josephus' omission speaks loudly. In fact, the early Christian leaders saw that, too. Someone, at some point, slipped a description of Jesus' ministry into Josephus' manuscript. This mention of Jesus is fairly roundly identified as a forgery. I don't know of anyone, religious or not, who believes in it. The fact that someone felt it necessary to alter Josephus does tell us this: It was very important to the early church leaders that we believe?so important that they went to extraordinary means to ensure we did. Given that, it becomes that much more important to view skeptically the gospels or any similar writings.

Hmmm, since you brought up Josephus, I guess he is sure Jesus didn't exist. But what does he know, he was only THERE 2000 yrs ago when this event supposedly took place.

Josephus was a Jewish pharisee who was born in 37 AD, 4 years after Jesus's death. He also wrote the Testimonium Flavianum:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not cease. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life. For the prophets of God had prophesied these and myriads of other marvellous things about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still up to now, not disappeared

This is a controvertial piece. But most people regard it if nothing else, as an acknowledgement of Jesus as a wise teacher who really lived.