Melania Trump Plagiarized Her Convention Speech From Michelle Obama

[emperus]

It's probably similar to why so many conservatives who have lambasted Clinton for her supposed dishonesty have enthusiastically embraced a pathological liar that easily puts her to shame in the 'dishonesty' category. They never cared about honesty, they cared about finding reasons to dislike their political enemies.

For most people politics is like rooting for a sports team but even less rational. Generally sports fans may have some bias but are self aware enough to realize that while they may prefer their team over others they are not actually the best/most skillful team. Sadly this is not the case for politics for the most part.

But that is the problem with living in a country with these perpetual false equivalencies. Not all acts are equal. I always find it amazing that Republicans have been lambasting Hilary for Benghazi, an act she tangentially had anything to do with when Bush literally lied the country to take us to war. A war that killed thousand more Americans and 100,000 more people than Benghazi. Where was all this outrage then?

Btw, I was stunned watching Chris Christie last night attempt to "prosecute" Hilary. The fact that the Trump campaign allowed him on stage to even mention the word prosecution amid all that is happening in Jersey, should tell everyone how much Trump believes in Law and Order, the elites vs. the rest of us and rigged systems.

 

[dank69]

I never said that no one has any right to complain about any bad behavior...I just see moral outrage over nothing of any real significance in this particular case.

Moral outrage? More like relentless mocking.

 

[HomerJS]

I never said that no one has any right to complain about any bad behavior...I just see moral outrage over nothing of any real significance in this particular case.

Most of the "outrage" was at the denials not the act. If they had admitted right away we would have moved on much earlier.

Its usually the cover up.

 

[nageov3t]

I guess Hill Clinton is not a normal politician. Back in 2008, one of her closest supporter, made racist comments about Obama. I am talking about Geraldine Ferraro. Ferraro made this comment.

Hillary didn't fire her. In fact Hillary's PAC paid for racist comments in a commercial, where it was asked if Obama would pick up the phone at 3 in the morning. I'm sure all of us remember that.

It wasn't until Ferraro let it pile higher and deeper, by a follow-up comment.

That's when Hillary had to cut Geraldine loose.

http://www.salon.com/2008/03/13/ferraro_resigns/

your timeline seems off.

Ferarro made those comments on March 11th. on March 13th she resigned from the campaign, and it's not crazy to think that she was probably asked to resign.

the 3 am ad was released like a month before any of that happened, in mid/late February.

and how the hell was the 3 am ad racist anyways?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

But that is the problem with living in a country with these perpetual false equivalencies. Not all acts are equal. I always find it amazing that Republicans have been lambasting Hilary for Benghazi, an act she tangentially had anything to do with when Bush literally lied the country to take us to war. A war that killed thousand more Americans and 100,000 more people than Benghazi. Where was all this outrage then?

And Hillary lied about impending genocide in Libya in her rush to aid rebels in a civil war. Where was all your outrage then? Or is this a false equivalency as well?

 

[Perknose]

I never said that no one has any right to complain about any bad behavior...I just see moral outrage over nothing of any real significance in this particular case.

Moral outrage? Nah. It's more like point-and-laugh schadenfreude for the Keystone Cops level of ineptness mixed with deserved contempt for the raft of lies and clumsy blame shifting that followed in its wake.

This man is the GOP candidate for President of the United States, nearly tied with Hilary in some polls at this point. He'll have his tiny, tiny fingers on the nuke buttons, with only his massive ego to keep him in check. That doesn't concern you?

I mean, who's in charge here? This guy?

 

[Zaap]

LOL@ at this nonsense still going.

Yeah, Trump and co are real boneheads, but it amazes me how his rabid detractors can snatch "being even bigger boneheads!" from the jaws of the Trump&Co being boneheads.

 

[fskimospy]

But that is the problem with living in a country with these perpetual false equivalencies. Not all acts are equal. I always find it amazing that Republicans have been lambasting Hilary for Benghazi, an act she tangentially had anything to do with when Bush literally lied the country to take us to war. A war that killed thousand more Americans and 100,000 more people than Benghazi. Where was all this outrage then?

I think September 11th is a more apt comparison. In both cases the US government failed to detect an imminent terrorist attack that cost the lives of American citizens. The difference of course is that 9/11 killed ~3,000 American and the Benghazi attack killed 4. Strangely (or I guess not strangely) enough, Congress spent more time investigating Benghazi.

My guess is that 9/11 was enough of a national tragedy that people weren't willing to politicize it so they actually did their jobs for once. Benghazi only killed 4 people so unscrupulous politicians felt it was a great tool to attack their enemies. This is because they are dishonorable.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL@ at this nonsense still going.

Yeah, Trump and co are real boneheads, but it amazes me how his rabid detractors can snatch "being even bigger boneheads!" from the jaws of the Trump&Co being boneheads.

What actions have his 'rabid detractors' taken about this that makes them 'even bigger boneheads', specifically?

 

[HomerJS]

But that is the problem with living in a country with these perpetual false equivalencies. Not all acts are equal. I always find it amazing that Republicans have been lambasting Hilary for Benghazi, an act she tangentially had anything to do with when Bush literally lied the country to take us to war. A war that killed thousand more Americans and 100,000 more people than Benghazi. Where was all this outrage then?

Btw, I was stunned watching Chris Christie last night attempt to "prosecute" Hilary. The fact that the Trump campaign allowed him on stage to even mention the word prosecution amid all that is happening in Jersey, should tell everyone how much Trump believes in Law and Order, the elites vs. the rest of us and rigged systems.

and if you want to compare embassy killings with embassy killings, Republicans hold Hillary personally responsible for the 4 Benghazi deaths. Same Republicans don't blame Ronald Reagan at all for the 241 Marines killed in Beirut.

 

[agent00f]

LOL@ at this nonsense still going.

Yeah, Trump and co are real boneheads, but it amazes me how his rabid detractors can snatch "being even bigger boneheads!" from the jaws of the Trump&Co being boneheads.

Most posts are making fun of the stupid people.

I suppose it makes sense someone truly terrible at this doesn't recognize it.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Its not the politics thing. Trump is really bad at the take responsibility and admitting screw-ups thing.

Good politics is knowing when denial must give way to this response, or whether denial is a sound strategy to begin with.

 

[nakedfrog]

and how the hell was the 3 am ad racist anyways?

I am also curious about this one.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This man is the GOP candidate for President of the United States, nearly tied with Hilary in some polls at this point. He'll have his tiny, tiny fingers on the nuke buttons, with only his massive ego to keep him in check. That doesn't concern you?

I mean, who's in charge here? This guy?

I would think that you would be much more concerned about a neocon woman who's infamous for her anger and throwing fits of rage. And her ego is about as big as they come as well. That doesn't concern you?

I mean, who's in charge here? This woman?

 

[fskimospy]

I would think that you would be much more concerned about an unpredictable woman who's infamous for throwing fits of rage. And her ego is about as big as they come as well.

I mean, who's in charge here? This woman?

Wait, are you trying to argue that Hillary Clinton's temperament is less well suited to the presidency than Donald Trump's? Seriously?

If so I'm sure we would all LOVE to hear why.

 

[Zaap]

What actions have his 'rabid detractors' taken about this that makes them 'even bigger boneheads', specifically?

Still going on about this like it matters a hill of beans. It makes you look as stupid as Trump and Co. The man could give two shits about his own speech, let alone whatever speech his wife gives.

Given there's probably examples of virtually *ANY* modern day politician of high exposure speaking parts of other people's speeches verbatim (as I pointed out -and correctly- the post of Obama doing the exact same thing was the most "I'll just pretend I didn't see that!" post of the entire thread) it's just a lame thing to go on and on about as if up on some high horse to begin with.

Especially in light of the fact that Trump is a walking/talking gaffe in so many ways much more significant than this nonsense.

 

[emperus]

And Hillary lied about impending genocide in Libya in her rush to aid rebels in a civil war. Where was all your outrage then? Or is this a false equivalency as well?

It seems like one deflection after another deflection. Again, I'm not a Hilary fan or apologist. But, even with all the mistakes you've said she made, Bush still has thousands of American lives on her, yet I have yet to hear the vtiriol directed at him the way it was on Hilary. And by the way how many Iraq war/ 9/11 committees were there versus Benghazi committees?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I am also curious about this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/donald-trump-utilizes-racism-_b_8756816.html

 

[fskimospy]

Still going on about this like it matters a hill of beans. It makes you look as stupid as Trump and Co. The man could give two shits about his own speech, let alone whatever speech his wife gives.

Given there's probably examples of virtually *ANY* modern day politician of high exposure speaking parts of other people's speeches verbatim (as I pointed out -and correctly- the post of Obama doing the exact same thing was the most "I'll just pretend I didn't see that!" post of the entire thread) it's just a lame thing to go on and on about as if up on some high horse to begin with.

Especially in light of the fact that Trump is a walking/talking gaffe in so many ways much more significant than this nonsense.

I'm pretty sure that no one would be talking about it anymore if his campaign wasn't aggressively and repeatedly lying about it. It's the same thing with any 'scandal' where it's not the action it's the attempt at coverup.

People pointing out blatant and obvious lies isn't making them look any worse than our good friend Donald. He keeps digging deeper and deeper on stupid issues and it's hilarious to watch. Even funnier is watching conservatives try and parrot his ever-changing and self contradictory narrative, haha.

 

[Perknose]

I would think that you would be much more concerned about a neocon woman who's infamous for her anger and throwing fits of rage. And her ego is about as big as they come as well. That doesn't concern you?

Unpredictable? Fits of rage? Care to link to where in the rabid right wing blogosphere you're getting that bullshit from?

I mean, who's in charge here? This woman?

Nice try at a "monkey see, monkey do" false equivalency, but you failed. You may not like it for deeply partisan reasons, but Hilary Clinton has the temperament and the experience to be our next President, and Trump does not, in spades.

 

[emperus]

My guess is that 9/11 was enough of a national tragedy that people weren't willing to politicize it so they actually did their jobs for once. Benghazi only killed 4 people so unscrupulous politicians felt it was a great tool to attack their enemies. This is because they are dishonorable.

You're being kind. If 9/11 happened while a Democrat was president, Republicans would have attempted to impeach them.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It seems like one deflection after another deflection. Again, I'm not a Hilary fan or apologist. But, even with all the mistakes you've said she made, Bush still has thousands of American lives on her, yet I have yet to hear the vtiriol directed at him the way it was on Hilary. And by the way how many Iraq war/ 9/11 committees were there versus Benghazi committees?

I'm not talking about Benghazi. Is what I'm saying really that fn hard for you to understand?

 

[woolfe9998]

I never said that no one has any right to complain about any bad behavior...I just see moral outrage over nothing of any real significance in this particular case.

I've seen moral outrage over stuff way less significant than this, from both sides. A convention speech being partially cribbed from someone else's convention speech is of legitimate public interest. I personally can't get all that hot and bothered about it per se, though I see a pattern with the Trump campaign of never admitting to anything. This I do think is troublesome. It isn't even the dishonesty of failing to acknowledge it. It's the stupidity of it. Why bother to deny something which is undeniable but isn't so bad that admitting it will sink your campaign? Coming forward and admitting it and apologizing was the obvious thing to do but Trump's narcissism prevents him from doing the obvious. This is why I don't want him to the POTUS - because his emotional immaturity gives him very poor judgment. I see this affecting everything he would do as POTUS.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Nice try at a "monkey see, monkey do" false equivalency, but you failed.

I'm parroting you Dr. Einstein...and I'm not surprised that you see failure when you look at your reflection.

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/donald-trump-utilizes-racism-_b_8756816.html

Oh my god another H A Goodman article. Seriously, do you not understand just how dishonest and insane that guy is? If you don't, I strongly suggest you Google him.

This is his case that the '3AM' ad was racist, taken from a different op-ed.

have spent my life studying the pictures and symbols of racism and slavery, and when I saw the Clinton ad’s central image — innocent sleeping children and a mother in the middle of the night at risk of mortal danger — it brought to my mind scenes from the past.

...

The ad could easily have removed its racist sub-message by including images of a black child, mother or father — or by stating that the danger was external terrorism. Instead, the child on whom the camera first focuses is blond...

That's right, the ad is racist because the sleeping family wasn't black or interracial. What do you think your response would be if a conservative ran an ad and liberals said it was racist because the children briefly pictured in it weren't black?

That is some seriously weak shit. Then again, H A Goodman, lol.