Melania Trump Plagiarized Her Convention Speech From Michelle Obama

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WelshBloke

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Ugh... read my other posts. I was commenting specifically about your comment that she couldn't have heard the phrase before. I remember interviewing my uncle, a white, 50 year old banker, for a business ethics class in the 90's. He used the phrase "your word is your bond"; I don't think he was a Wu Tang fan, although I could be wrong.

Pretty sure Shakespeare used it.

"Take my word for the debt, my word, my bond."
 

xgsound

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I'll vote for Trump but I can't stand conventions and political speeches for more than a few minutes. I think all politicians "Rick roll" us with the most common denominator traits of every successful person in history.
I'm never surprised by the pablum in a political speech, only by the long time they take to say it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Socrates said something similar.

Jim
 

fskimospy

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But not so good about not lying about numerous and much more consequential issues.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

Actually as far as politicians go she's not doing half bad! More than half her evaluated statements are either true or mostly true. That's beating out every member of the Republican leadership.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

It appears the campaign does have one person in it who has extreme difficulty with not lying about numerous and much more consequential issues though. I was as surprised as you are!

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

lol. 11%. Isn't it amusing how conservatives who complained about Hillary Clinton being dishonest for years chose to nominate a pathological liar? It's almost enough to make a person think that they never cared about honesty at all!

Nah.
 

openwheel

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Name me a politician who hasn't lied.

Trump? Check.
Romney? Check.
McCain? Check.
Bush? Check
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TheGardener

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I'll vote for Trump but I can't stand conventions and political speeches for more than a few minutes. I think all politicians "Rick roll" us with the most common denominator traits of every successful person in history.
I'm never surprised by the pablum in a political speech, only by the long time they take to say it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Socrates said something similar.

Jim
Same here. The conventions stopped being interesting, when all the outcomes were decided before the conventions began. Now they are more like rah-rah cheerleading media events.
 

TheGardener

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Name me a politician who hasn't lied.

Trump? Check.
Romney? Check.
McCain? Check.
Bush? Check
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How about Lyndon Johnson? He ran on a peace platform, and pointed fingers at Barry Goldwater as being a warmonger. LBJ turned out to be planning the Vietnam War before running.

And don't get me started on B. Clinton and Obama.

You have no proof of Trump being a liar politician. He's never held political office.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Name me a politician who hasn't lied.

Trump? Check.
Romney? Check.
McCain? Check.
Bush? Check
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Most honest in the last 50 years Jimmy Carter. Even admitted in magazine interview checking out other women.
 
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https://youtu.be/UgfGTXaqoWQ

Obama would never do it... Right?

That does not strike me as plagiarism at all - it strikes me as two speechwriters seizing on the same idea - that words matter - and using legendary American quotes to reinforce that idea. The quotes are not even the same, or used in the same order. I can't say it's impossible this was plagiarism but I certainly don't see a smoking gun.
 

fskimospy

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http://www.lseg.com/resources/perspectives-global-markets/our-word-our-bond

NEW RULE: No one can ever use vapid feel good platitudes in a speech if the Obamas used them ever.

Out of everything that happened yesterday (and the inevitable massive shooting that didn't), this is what our lügenpresse decides to report on.

Conservatives are very oppressed by the media in our country. I hope they are able to valiantly soldier on in spite of this as I'm sure life is very hard for them.
 

openwheel

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How about Lyndon Johnson? He ran on a peace platform, and pointed fingers at Barry Goldwater as being a warmonger. LBJ turned out to be planning the Vietnam War before running.

And don't get me started on B. Clinton and Obama.

You have no proof of Trump being a liar politician. He's never held political office.

Hey thanks for proving me right.

Regarding Trump, you don't consider A "Presidential Candidate" a politician?
Okay, let's assume Trump has "never" been a politician, but he has lied with a stone face for decades even without being a politician. What kind of lying monster is he going to become if he is actually elected?
 

Knowing

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Conservatives are very oppressed by the media in our country. I hope they are able to valiantly soldier on in spite of this as I'm sure life is very hard for them.

You've used that one before, you've just added more adjectives and hoped I wouldn't notice. 5/10 poor effort, see me after class.
 

fskimospy

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You've used that one before, you've just added more adjectives and hoped I wouldn't notice. 5/10 poor effort, see me after class.

You've made the same vacuous complaint before! Why do I need to be original when you show no interest in it? As in any friendship this is a give and take relationship.
 
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Actually as far as politicians go she's not doing half bad! More than half her evaluated statements are either true or mostly true. That's beating out every member of the Republican leadership.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

It appears the campaign does have one person in it who has extreme difficulty with not lying about numerous and much more consequential issues though. I was as surprised as you are!

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

lol. 11%. Isn't it amusing how conservatives who complained about Hillary Clinton being dishonest for years chose to nominate a pathological liar? It's almost enough to make a person think that they never cared about honesty at all!

Nah.
You were comparing Melania Trump's lies to Hillary's. I'll take your diversion as you conceding my point that there's no comparison.
 

Indus

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I really don't see the big deal in all of this. It is a silly little speech. Does it really make any difference what she says? No, It doesn't. At least she didn't expose secret documents on a private server or get anyone killed.

Just like Trump champagne, Trump steak, Trump scarves and Trump university.. copy it coz it's cheaper and scam the people.

And yes people have been killed because of Trump's rhetoric. You should probably realize it, you don't have to love Liberals but Trump and his followers are responsible for violence.
 

openwheel

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Conservatives are very oppressed by the media in our country. I hope they are able to valiantly soldier on in spite of this as I'm sure life is very hard for them.

They are blinded by AM talk shows, Church meetings and FOX News. Reminds me of communist countries that brainwash people. Our media/press is so US centric in the first place (most Americans don't see news outside of US), these right wing groups are making it worse.
 

fskimospy

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You were comparing Melania Trump's lies to Hillary's. I'll take your diversion as you conceding my point.

Why on earth would that be? Has someone gone through and evaluated the truthfulness of Melania Trump's statements? If so I haven't seen it. From her one public speech that I'm aware of and the only biographical statement that I've seen evaluated she's a plagiarist and has fabricated her credentials.

It's possible she is more honest than Hillary but right now it's not looking good given that she's already been caught twice in basically her only day in the public eye. Surely we can agree on that?
 

openwheel

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So Melania claims to have college degree but doesn't?
Can't she just get a certificate from her husband?
I thought college is free in Slovenia?
 

Knowing

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And yes people have been killed because of Trump's rhetoric. You should probably realize it, you don't have to love Liberals but Trump and his followers are responsible for violence.

Are you sure you want to open this door? I don't think you are because Hillary's hands are not clean and cops are dying on an almost daily basis while "peaceful" protestors advocate their deaths.

If we apply this logic equally across the left:right spectrum, the results probably won't be ideal for your worldview.
 
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