Melania Trump Plagiarized Her Convention Speech From Michelle Obama

[MomentsofSanity]

Meh...

1. The part claimed to be plagiarism looks to be 100% boilerplate. It's likely been said/written a hundred times over. If I cared enough I'd google M Obama's sentences and would be surprised if I couldn't find numerous examples.

2. I doubt Melania wrote it without help, her first language is not English. Furthermore, a speech at this level is usually a collaborative effort. I'm sure she had final editorial say on it, but can't imagine she wrote it all by herself.

Much ado about nothing.

Fern

Did you bother putting your drink down to type that? We aren't discussing a sentiment or idea. It's a verbatim almost word for word line by line duplication. I defy you to find one other example replicated with such accuracy. Or just admit to being a hack. It's a mighty big claim you made and i doubt you have the balls to either back it up or admit it was bullshit.

The complete lack of integrity shown by Trump and his campaign repeatedly should be alarming to anyone. Never once doesn he admit fault. Doesn't take a step back and reevaluate. Just doubles down on any pile of shot that spews from his (or anyone involved with him) mouth.

One of these things is a mistake. The other is a glaring character flaw.

 

[Subyman]

One of these things is a mistake. The other is a glaring character flaw.

This is exactly it. Everyone makes mistakes. Good people rectify those mistakes and take appropriate action so that they don't do it again. Someone who can't accept mistakes will perpetuate them and make them worse. This campaign is a preview for the White House. People think Hillary was slow to change the story away from a YouTube video on Benghazi better do a double take on Trump. He can't even admit a blatant plagurism issue that only needs an apology. Think he will ever admit a mistake on a larger scale?

 

[LegendKiller]

Did you bother putting your drink down to type that? We aren't discussing a sentiment or idea. It's a verbatim almost word for word line by line duplication. I defy you to find one other example replicated with such accuracy. Or just admit to being a hack. It's a mighty big claim you made and i doubt you have the balls to either back it up or admit it was bullshit.

The complete lack of integrity shown by Trump and his campaign repeatedly should be alarming to anyone. Never once doesn he admit fault. Doesn't take a step back and reevaluate. Just doubles down on any pile of shot that spews from his (or anyone involved with him) mouth.

One of these things is a mistake. The other is a glaring character flaw.

Yeah, because the other option has shown to have a complete presence of integrity. She has lied, cheated, peddled, misdirected...etc her way through this whole thing.

How many times did she lie about emails? How many times did she lie about the clinton foundation? I mean, really, just shut up. We have been handed a shitburger by both parties.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nope, I'm not concerned about it. (I've never been concerned about a First Lady, or possible First lady. Nobody elects them and the less I see or hear of them the better. I "just say no".)

Fern

Whether you care or not, the first lady is a person of importance, and has been since Abigail Adams. Integral in shaping our nation for good or for ill.

 

[LegendKiller]

Whether you care or not, the first lady is a person of importance, and has been since Abigail Adams. Integral in shaping our nation for good or for ill.

And Michelle's speech writer has been shown to borrow heavily from motivational posters, cliches, and platitudes. Everybody borrows from that same pool. Who gives a shit. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

 

[Balt]

And Michelle's speech writer has been shown to borrow heavily from motivational posters, cliches, and platitudes. Everybody borrows from that same pool. Who gives a shit. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

First, calm down before you have an aneurysm.

Second, there's borrowing ideas and themes and then there's copying and pasting. Melania's speech did the latter.

 

[DrPizza]

I read a funny little conspiracy theory piece on gawker. (I know gawker but still.)

Obviously the only two options are Melania wrote it or a speechwriter did. It would be understandable if Melania did it while writing it herself.

But what if it was a speechwriter? It's of course possible it was an incompetent error. But what if it was

SABOTAGE!

Their theory is Corey Lewandowski had motive. He was dismissed by Trump at the behest of Trumps kids after Paul Manafort the current campaign manager bad mouthed Lewandowski in the press.

So maybe he asked a contact still in the campaign to update the speech.

On CNN this morning when asked about who was responsible he said very nice things about Melania and then did his best to throw Manafort under the bus.

The fact that makes it seem intentional was there was a frickin Rick-Roll in the speech like a signature in addition to the two plagiarized sections.

Not saying any of this was true but it still is kind of a fun hypothesis.

I had given that some thought this morning - that someone inside the organization could have done that as a sort of revenge. But then, why Melania's speech? Why not Donald's or someone much more important?

A second thought came to mind - it was intentional. It allowed them to use as much inflammatory rhetoric, outright lies, etc., at the convention, yet completely divert attention away from that. So, message heard by everyone, then no one heard the message disputed, because everyone was too busy listening about Melania's plagiarism.

 

[LegendKiller]

First, calm down before you have an aneurysm.

Second, there's borrowing ideas and themes and then there's copying and pasting. Melania's speech did the latter.

There was plenty changed. Again, who gives a shit? It makes absolutely no difference. It's not like people were killed.

You mean like the concussion and such that Billary had? I was just quoting her.

 

[LegendKiller]

I had given that some thought this morning - that someone inside the organization could have done that as a sort of revenge. But then, why Melania's speech? Why not Donald's or someone much more important?

A second thought came to mind - it was intentional. It allowed them to use as much inflammatory rhetoric, outright lies, etc., at the convention, yet completely divert attention away from that. So, message heard by everyone, then no one heard the message disputed, because everyone was too busy listening about Melania's plagiarism.

That and her message has been sent out for the last 24 hours, repeated ad nauseum. She has been made a victim and the attackers are the left. The moderates will probably see this as not a huge problem and see her as just trying to do her role.

That is where this election will be won/lost, on moderates. To the people having seizures over this, it doesn't matter, they weren't going to vote R anyway. To the people in the middle, where Trump already leads, it might just make enough of a difference.

 

[Eli]

This is the best the Democrats have to bitch about? This has to be one of the stupidest threads I have ever read.

Hahahaha, this is comedy GOLD coming from you.

Email abuse indictment will happen any day right?

 

[Balt]

There was plenty changed. Again, who gives a shit? It makes absolutely no difference. It's not like people were killed.

So short of killing people, everything is OK with you. The bigger story now isn't the plagiarism, it's the fact that they can't settle on which lie they want to tell about it. This story could have been dead by 8am this morning if they had just 'fessed up to it and apologized.

You mean like the concussion and such that Billary had? I was just quoting her.

Not a Hillary thread, but keep trying to derail as much as you want.

 

[LegendKiller]

So short of killing people, everything is OK with you.



Not a Hillary thread, but keep trying to derail as much as you want.

Has nothing to do with derailing. It just doesn't matter.

 

[CitizenKain]

That and her message has been sent out for the last 24 hours, repeated ad nauseum. She has been made a victim and the attackers are the left. The moderates will probably see this as not a huge problem and see her as just trying to do her role.

That is where this election will be won/lost, on moderates. To the people having seizures over this, it doesn't matter, they weren't going to vote R anyway. To the people in the middle, where Trump already leads, it might just make enough of a difference.

Yea, they can see that everyone in the family is a worthless liar.

 

[DougK62]

Has nothing to do with derailing. It just doesn't matter.

Most people think that plagiarizing and not owning up to it is a big deal. It will get you booted from school or fired from your job. Shouldn't a presidential campaign be held to high standards?

 

[DrPizza]

That is where this election will be won/lost, on moderates. To the people having seizures over this, it doesn't matter, they weren't going to vote R anyway. To the people in the middle, where Trump already leads, it might just make enough of a difference.

To actually realize how dishonest a campaign is after the 24 hour coverage of yet another dishonest act coming from the camp? The plagiarism isn't the real story - it's how the campaign is handling it. And, egads, given the polling numbers, if Trump is leading with the people in the middle, there must be a lot of people on the right who decided to vote for Hillary.

 

[brycejones]

That is where this election will be won/lost, on moderates. To the people having seizures over this, it doesn't matter, they weren't going to vote R anyway. To the people in the middle, where Trump already leads, it might just make enough of a difference.

Your evidence of this lead is?

 

[brycejones]

Has nothing to do with derailing. It just doesn't matter.

nm

 

[Subyman]

I'm thinking sabotage as well. They played "Can't always get what you want" when officially introducing Mike Pence as VP.

 

[LegendKiller]

To actually realize how dishonest a campaign is after the 24 hour coverage of yet another dishonest act coming from the camp? The plagiarism isn't the real story - it's how the campaign is handling it. And, egads, given the polling numbers, if Trump is leading with the people in the middle, there must be a lot of people on the right who decided to vote for Hillary.

I honestly doubt this will sway anybody. The rough breakdown is 46/14/40. He has 6% to make up first and I believe he is leading independents, he only needs a few more points among them to make a difference.

 

[LegendKiller]

Most people think that plagiarizing and not owning up to it is a big deal. It will get you booted from school or fired from your job. Shouldn't a presidential campaign be held to high standards?

Hence the discussion of relativism. What about Biden's work? What about MO taking pretty much the same passages from others? Obama and Deval Patrick (and the left excusing).

How many times was Hillary asked about the emails and she completely lied? She still has not really owned up to it. Sure, she said it was a mistake, but hasn't owned up to the real reason, to avoid FOIA.

 

[nyker96]

love this quote on this:

This is the essence of white privilege — even clear fuckups get explained away and come with little consequence. Meanwhile, if you're black, telling the truth can cost you everything. And after all that, you can be subjected to eight years of disrespect and then have your very words stolen, while the same people who have cast aspersions upon you claim their actions are justified. Moreover, you get to watch people profit from your labor, while telling you that labor is unremarkable and meaningless.

full text:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a61559/melania-trump-michelle-obama-plagiarism/

 

[CitizenKain]

Hence the discussion of relativism. What about Biden's work? What about MO taking pretty much the same passages from others? Obama and Deval Patrick (and the left excusing).

How many times was Hillary asked about the emails and she completely lied? She still has not really owned up to it. Sure, she said it was a mistake, but hasn't owned up to the real reason, to avoid FOIA.

What about all the times you have made shit up?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

For once, be honest, if Michelle Obama did this, this exact thing, you'd be losing your shit over it and it would be all the fuck over fox news, with panels discussing it and 'experts' on plagiarism brought in to analyze it.
Me? I really don't care, I hold drumpf in the very lowest of regard for someone who isn't a pedo or rapist or murder. He's scum. I do not know enough to say anything about his wife, I have read that she claims to have written it.
If so, it's plagiarism, pure and simple and means fuck all in the grand scheme of things. If she didn't, he hired hacks as writers and we'll reap the benefits of that later down the road. But the gyrations and twisting done by the right to 'explain' this is even funnier than the original fuckery.
Oh, I just want to make sure my local station is right, this is the gop convention, right?

just checking, thanks.

 

[nickqt]

The most relevant thing to the plagiarism and Rick Roll is that Trump brags about how he is going to protect you from rapists and Mooselmans, and can't even protect his wife from internal sabotage by a speechwriter he wrote a check to.


Sad!

 

[LegendKiller]

The most relevant thing to the plagiarism and Rick Roll is that Trump brags about how he is going to protect you from rapists and Mooselmans, and can't even protect his wife from internal sabotage by a speechwriter he wrote a check to.


Sad!

And she can't protect anything, even her own data. So what difference does it make?