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lagokc

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It doesn't really seem like you have much use for an ultra-fast 8GB harddrive that gets wiped every time you shut down your computer. Have you considered using the 8GB of RAM as... RAM?
 

mikeymikec

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To make use of a ramdisk you need to have something that's disk-intensive enough for you to notice a difference between hosting that data on a ramdisk versus something more conventional. Chances are you would also need a backup/restore system for the ramdisk as well because of the nature of RAM.

The last time I used a ramdisk was about 6 years ago because it was significantly faster to start OpenOffice and Firefox on XP from a ramdisk than a HDD. However, with my current PC build and Win7, SuperFetch does a good enough job of ensuring that I don't have to wait an irritating length of time for my apps to load on demand from HDD.
 

Miramonti

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There are other threads about this. You can use it for a r/w intensive app to keep the r/w's away from your ssd. It is useful for resident cache directory and files. Pagefile.sys can go on one. There are different products out there, some which smart-save contents at shutdown (save only changed files), and load the disk on startup. The best/most feature filled one (and that I use) is at romexsoftware.com.
 

pcunite

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If you have 16GB+ of RAM and use virtual machines for development, you can copy the VM's hard drive (8GB) to the ramdisk, start the VM, and it should feel as fast as a native machine.
 

Miramonti

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Why would I need to put RAM into RAM...? That's useless. And I don't have an SSD. I'm also using the same software.

Once again, the reason why I've created this thread is to get more precise idea of what I can do with it. I know that it has fast r/w speeds, loses contents on shut down, etc., etc.. What I don't know is what useful stuff I can do with it.



That's a great idea, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm starting up VirtualBox! But that doesn't happen often nowadays though.

Ram into ram? Ok. And you're correct, if you're not using the computer for much of anything, just browsing and email, then of course you're not going to benefit from much of anything to help the computer process not much of anything.
 

Essence_of_War

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You can def use it for games.

Especially any game where there are lots of loading times as you move between areas (games like dragon age, skyrim, etc). Load the whole sucker onto a ramdisk and you're looking at probably a factor of 10 decrease in load times.
 

Hospitaller

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Ram into ram?
Putting pagefile into a ramdisk is pointless unless I'm missing something obscure. You only need pagefile if you run out of ram. So leave your extra 8gb of ram free and you won't need the pagefile at all. That's what I do.

@OP
The only reasonable use case I've thought of for myself is to use a ramdisk for my temporary internet files, if I want to allow them to get wiped every time I reboot.

If you have your ramdisk save to your hard drive every time you reboot, it makes booting and shutting down much slower, negating the benefit of having an SSD.

If you're gonna load your games into the ramdisk each time you want to play them to reduce loading time in-game, you're just doing your loading up front and it's probably not saving you time -- unless you leave your computer on for days running the same game. But even then, windows probably will cache most of the game in ram anyway so leaving the ram free to use as cache would result in the same performance.

I have 16gb of ram and windows 7 uses it all for caching things which makes my computer faster in general, and makes my frequently used games load quickly without any extra effort on my part. I don't think I'd benefit from ramdisk.
 
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Miramonti

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Putting pagefile into a ramdisk is pointless unless I'm missing something obscure. You only need pagefile if you run out of ram. So leave your extra 8gb of ram free and you won't need the pagefile at all. That's what I do.

That's theoretical but many programs are written to page out data that's not in use, and some are more aggressive than others.
 

ALIVE

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Today was looking for SSD vs. HDD performance charts and I came upon something called a ramdisk. I understand how it works, etc., but... What can I use it for?

Software I use, from daily to once a week or so:

Browsers (mostly browsing the same websites, sometimes going to new ones, very rarely using Youtube on this PC, or anything video-related for that matter), mail client (lots of mailboxes), Photoshop (rarely, very light use), Premiere (usually only encoding), Steam (an occasional game, that wouldn't fit on a ramdisk), Skype (a few times a week for calls), FRAPS (~50-100gb recordings), and that's pretty much it.

So... I'm really unsure what I can use those 8GB of space for...

well i use a ramdisk and i use it to put the internet files on that drive. also have the temp file of the windows there and i use opera portable which i launch from there. the ramdrive has a load option at startup so i do not need to copy manual the folder of opera every time. I am sure no info of me browsing the net remains on the machine but that is just me :whiste:
 

Cerb

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There are other threads about this. You can use it for a r/w intensive app to keep the r/w's away from your ssd. It is useful for resident cache directory and files. Pagefile.sys can go on one.
It can, but...
Putting pagefile into a ramdisk is pointless unless I'm missing something obscure. You only need pagefile if you run out of ram. So leave your extra 8gb of ram free and you won't need the pagefile at all. That's what I do.
Actually, you are missing things, but they're all more reasons not to do it .

A PF on your non-volatile storage device provides, at least, the following features, even if you aren't out of RAM:
1. If on the OS volume, minidumps. If you get repeated BSODs, but have no PF, turn the PF back on for the dumps.
2. A backing cache. Basically, write stuff in RAM, that's not getting accessed, to disk, preemptively, so that when you need more RAM, the pages that haven't been used much can be evicted, without the added wait time of pushing other data to the PF on-demand (just free up space that is known to already be in the PF).
3. Overcommit padding. Applications request X amount of RAM. They might not use it all, but they expect the OS to be able to provide it, if needed. The OS assumes they won't use it all, too, so allows more memory to be committed than it thinks will be used--but, it's not always right. The page file counts as additional available memory, so the OS can commit more than it has RAM, by treating the PF as added system memory.

Your PF should be on a disk drive, or non-existent (but, if this series is too much reading, then just leave it alone). Putting it in a RAM disk only serves to waste resources.

You can def use it for games.

Especially any game where there are lots of loading times as you move between areas (games like dragon age, skyrim, etc). Load the whole sucker onto a ramdisk and you're looking at probably a factor of 10 decrease in load times.
On one hand, sure. On the other, 120GB SSD would be more versatile, given the cost.
 

mango123

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Begging the question on this one is just like asking...

What do I need a computer for anyways?
I can do everything by hand,,,

Not sure if trolling OP:

Anything that you don't want to wait for the HDD to spin up for would benefit from RAMDISK...

If you fail to even see the point in things being faster and hence productivity going up and irritation going down, then you would probably see no value in RAMDISK.


Me thinks if you are asking the question, you can probably find a use for a RAMDISK.
 

mango123

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Today was looking for SSD vs. HDD performance charts and I came upon something called a ramdisk. I understand how it works, etc., but... What can I use it for?

Software I use, from daily to once a week or so:

Browsers (mostly browsing the same websites, sometimes going to new ones, very rarely using Youtube on this PC, or anything video-related for that matter), mail client (lots of mailboxes), Photoshop (rarely, very light use), Premiere (usually only encoding), Steam (an occasional game, that wouldn't fit on a ramdisk), Skype (a few times a week for calls), FRAPS (~50-100gb recordings), and that's pretty much it.

So... I'm really unsure what I can use those 8GB of space for...

Oh gosh, I didn't even see this part about the photo/video editing.

You make an 8gb scratch disk/pad on RAM and then put the files/raws you are
with in the adobe suites onto the RAMDISK and hello speed shopping :twisted:
 
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