Men could be convicted of rape 'even if the woman agrees to have sex

[Reasonable Doubt]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314469/Men-convicted-rape-woman-agrees-sex.html











C'mon. That incorrect title reeks of another forum member who pulls the same stunts.


Keep the titles accurate or don't post it.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Fritzo]

This is why I masturbate.

 

[jagec]

That's not really what the article says, now is it?

Also, is the judge's name REALLY "Lord Judge"?

 

[DrunkenSano]

So if a woman tells a man that she's on the pill or some form of birth control, but she's not and she gets pregnant, that's also rape?

 

[Tiamat]

Wouldn't they have to prove that conception was directly related to that particular occurrence of him not pulling out? She could have become pregnant from preejaculate sperm rather than sperm from the full on ejaculation. This case is dumb...

 

[Sluggo]

Man accused of rape for thinking about nailing a chick at Starbucks, story at 11.

 

[rcpratt]

That's not really what the article says, now is it?

Also, is the judge's name REALLY "Lord Judge"?

bwahahah

 

[LTC8K6]

That's not really what the article says, now is it?

Also, is the judge's name REALLY "Lord Judge"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Judge,_Baron_Judge

 

[Pardus]

This is why I masturbate.

Superman arrested for masturbating in mid-air. His sperm flies thru an open office window and gets seven women pregnant simultaneously.

 

[Craig234]

On the one hand, a woman consenting to sex and then suddenly saying 'stop' is not really what rape laws are designed for.

But on the other hand, if a woman really did find herself ina situation where she wanted him to stop, and he refused and kept forcefully having sex, that's not right either.

It seems better that he has to stop and can then deal with the situation - like leaving her if he feels she was wrong.

What if he said something horrible to her during sex - 'your father and I had sex', 'I voted for Romney' - that makes her want him to stop - that does turn into rape.

 

[Ruptga]

She didn't change her mind. She consented on the condition of him pulling out. Not only did he not do that, he gloated about it, so it was intentional. He broke their agreement, nullifying her consent.

Or at least that's how it could go down if this is actually prosecuted.

 

[Bateluer]

The pull out method is an effective method of contraception now? Interesting.

 

[gevorg]

In his landmark decision Lord Judge ruled that because the man, the woman's husband under Sharia law, did not stick to his part of the pre-sex deal he could, in the eyes of the law, be held guilty of rape.

Hahaha! UK = fail.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

She didn't change her mind. She consented on the condition of him pulling out. Not only did he not do that, he gloated about it, so it was intentional. He broke their agreement, nullifying her consent.

Or at least that's how it could go down if this is actually prosecuted.

But that's kind of the same scenario as calling a man that refuses to pay his prostitute a rapist.

 

[Kadarin]

She didn't change her mind. She consented on the condition of him pulling out. Not only did he not do that, he gloated about it, so it was intentional. He broke their agreement, nullifying her consent.

Or at least that's how it could go down if this is actually prosecuted.

I agree with the decision and the reasoning behind it in this particular case. I am sad, however, that the concept of Sharia Law is taken seriously in the UK.

 

[KaOTiK]

I think this will just open a whole other can of worms for making rape accusations now. The few women that will use this the way it is intended will be a drop in the bucket next to the ones that will abuse this I bet.

 

[_Rick_]

Hahaha! UK = fail.

Because they allow Muslim weddings?

 

[Broheim]

Because they allow Muslim weddings?

da fuq does that have to do with Sharia law holding up in a UK court.


UK, you suck.

 

[Farang]

This is wrong, seems to have happened elsewhere. While continuing sex when the woman says stop should be a crime, it is not the same as pulling a stranger into an alley and raping her. I mean where do we draw the line--the man is 10 seconds from orgasm, the woman whispers stop, the man is now as bad as a rapist?

Not saying agreeing to sex gives ownership of the vagina to a man, but it is a separate issue than 'rape' in some circumstances. Obviously if she said stop and he keeps going at it for 20 minutes it is rape but there is some gray area here.

Maybe rape should be defined as the initial act of unwanted intercourse and other crimes can be established after.

 

[TridenT]

This is wrong, seems to have happened elsewhere. While continuing sex when the woman says stop should be a crime, it is not the same as pulling a stranger into an alley and raping her. I mean where do we draw the line--the man is 10 seconds from orgasm, the woman whispers stop, the man is now as bad as a rapist?

Not saying agreeing to sex gives ownership of the vagina to a man, but it is a separate issue than 'rape' in some circumstances. Obviously if she said stop and he keeps going at it for 20 minutes it is rape but there is some gray area here.

Maybe rape should be defined as the initial act of unwanted intercourse and other crimes can be established after.

Anytime either party removes consent and the other doesn't stop then it is rape. It might be difficult to stop, but you have to (Just like I have to not murder most of you, even though I find it very difficult to). Just don't be with crazy people... I don't know why this is so difficult for people.

 

[lxskllr]

There's nothing right about this story, and anyone who says otherwise can go fuck themselves. What are the consequences for the woman if she gets pregnant against the wishes of the man? Yea, I didn't think so... The government has no place in the bedroom. It's an issue between two adults, and they need to work it out themselves.

 

[Farang]

Anytime either party removes consent and the other doesn't stop then it is rape. It might be difficult to stop, but you have to (Just like I have to not murder most of you, even though I find it very difficult to). Just don't be with crazy people... I don't know why this is so difficult for people.

Withhold your opinion on this until you have experience with sexual intercourse.

 

[steve wilson]

I agree with the decision and the reasoning behind it in this particular case. I am sad, however, that the concept of Sharia Law is taken seriously in the UK.

Sharia Law is not taken seriously in the UK... it's just the religious marriage part. So they are legally married under Sharia Law. Nothing else from Sharia Law is legal in the UK.

I feel that most of you have either not read the article, specifically this bit

"The woman had consented to sex, but only on condition that her husband withdrew as she did not want to become pregnant. However, at the last minute he told her he was not withdrawing and told her 'because you are my wife and I'll do it if I want'."

Or you are just completely stupid.

I have to agree with the Judge. They made an agreement and he WILLFULLY broke it. This was not an accident, which can happen.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Breaking an agreement regarding sex is not rape. If by "last minute" it means he pinned her down and kept going for another thirty seconds, sure, rape. If "last minute" means that she didn't even have time to react to him not pulling out at climax, not rape. The supposed quote from the husband kind of biases me towards the rape side, but if he told her that afterwards, still not rape.

 

[steve wilson]

Breaking an agreement regarding sex is not rape. If by "last minute" it means he pinned her down and kept going for another thirty seconds, sure, rape. If "last minute" means that she didn't even have time to react to him not pulling out at climax, not rape. The supposed quote from the husband kind of biases me towards the rape side, but if he told her that afterwards, still not rape.

I'll stick with original thought... either you have not read the article or you are incredibly stupid