Men could be convicted of rape 'even if the woman agrees to have sex

[Jaskalas]

It doesn't matter HOW consent is revoked, as long as both parties are aware that consent HAS BEEN revoked, which is clearly the case here.

Whether or not you can prove something matters a great deal to me. You've not addressed the core issue, that passively revoking your consent leaves nothing objective for third parties to judge.

I do not support false accusations. But if the unwanted sexual activity did take place, then the we should be encouraging victims to make the accusations, regardless of what might happen in a court of law. Other women need to be warned about the possibility of harm, so that they can make informed decisions.

Eventually, the evidence will stack up.

If only the court system worked that way. If found guilty, lives are ruined by mere words and no evidence. If found innocent, no one will be the wiser.

 

[sixone]

Whether or not you can prove something matters a great deal to me. You've not addressed the core issue, that passively revoking your consent leaves nothing objective for third parties to judge.

If only the court system worked that way. If found guilty, lives are ruined by mere words and no evidence. If found innocent, no one will be the wiser.

You're right - it's not perfect. There are way too many false accusations damaging innocent people.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't offer our best effort to get the real scumbags put where they can't hurt other people.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I noticed that the judge made a distinction between purposeful continuance of the sex act after consent was withdrawn and "trying in vain to withdraw". For the guys worried about being accused of rape even after the girl consented, the old "I couldn't stop" argument seems just as valid as the "I changed my mind" one. Seems like we've complicated the matter further just to end up more or less where we were before.

 

[nehalem256]

You got that right. Yay!

You got that wrong.

Consent is not infinite or open-ended. It can be withdrawn at any time, for any reason.

So even a signed consent form to sex would not protect a man from being accused of rape

Don't know, don't care. This clearly wasn't a case of him not pulling out fast enough. He knew she didn't consent, and he continued anyway.

He left his penis in his "15 seconds" longer than she wanted. That is apparently the new definition of rape.

 

[sixone]

So even a signed consent form to sex would not protect a man from being accused of rape

No, it wouldn't. Signing a consent form doesn't obligate anyone to continue having sex with you when they have decided they no longer want to. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

He left his penis in his "15 seconds" longer than she wanted. That is apparently the new definition of rape.

Only in your deluded head. You're the only one who has mentioned that time frame.

The article in the OP was clear about what this judge has decided constitutes rape, and what doesn't. You've run in so many circles to try to avoid the specifics of this case, it's no wonder you can't remember what it actually was. Aren't you tired yet?

 

[SheHateMe]

There you go. There could be a sign consent form and if the woman changed her mind it would then be rape.

EDIT: Oh, and it appears you believe the same thing

Way to paraphrase my post. Why did you omit the rest of what I said?


Consenting to sex does not mean that you cannot revoke your consent at some point. If Im having sex with someone and he's too rough...I can say "stop" and express that I no longer wish to continue. If he doesn't stop, that's rape.

Clearly in this case, the wife wanted to sexual act to stop at the point where he was trying to finish inside of her. She did not want it, but he continued to finish inside of her regardless.

That is rape.



You seem to have a lot of trouble understanding what rape means.

 

[Dumac]

He left his penis in his "15 seconds" longer than she wanted. That is apparently the new definition of rape.

If I left my penis in you 15 seconds longer than you wanted, would you be okay with that?

She revoked her consent and he made a deliberate decision to ignore her human sorry, I have a slow reaction speed". It was a case of "screw what you want, you are merely a receptacle for my semen and can't refuse".

Also, the fact that is husband and wife makes no difference, so stop bringing that up. Being married doesn't give you rights to rape your SO.