Men could be convicted of rape 'even if the woman agrees to have sex

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dank69

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And if a guy had sex with a woman ON THE CONDITION SHE WAS ON BC and she lied would anyone call that rape?
No. Rape is performing a sexual act on someone without their approval.



In both case consent to sex was based on a condition that was not fulfilled. So in both cases the consent was not valid.
In one case someone is performing a sexual act on someone else when that someone else has expressly forbidden that sexual act. In the other case, someone lied but nobody was subjected to a sexual act that they did not approve of.



It sounds like what you are really arguing is that sex with a man without his consent is not rape.
It only sounds that way to you because you have a brain defect. It's always entertaining to see your misogyny spill out of P&N and into OT.
 

HamburgerBoy

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No. That's fraud, if she lied about being on BC. Neither was FORCED to have sex against their will.

So if he didn't announce that he was going to ejaculate inside of her, would you agree that force wasn't involved? Or does the physical action of internal ejaculation at all constitute force to you?
 

nehalem256

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No. Rape is performing a sexual act on someone without their approval.

In one case someone is performing a sexual act on someone else when that someone else has expressly forbidden that sexual act. In the other case, someone lied but nobody was subjected to a sexual act that they did not approve of.

In both cases someone is performing a sex act on someone against their consent.

You are trying to engage in "clever" wordplay to excuse a woman raping a man.
 

SheHateMe

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Neither is the situation outlined in the article.

It might be breach of verbal contract, but it ain't rape.

So you're telling me that a woman in bed asking you to pull out because she doesn't want you to ejaculate inside of her and NOT WANTING you to do that..but you do it anyway is not rape?

Not only did he do it...but he told her why he wasn't going to do what she asked.

Sorry, you don't force unwanted sex on somebody. She wanted it to stop at that point and he kept on trucking.


Thats rape.


So if he didn't announce that he was going to ejaculate inside of her, would you agree that force wasn't involved? Or does the physical action of internal ejaculation at all constitute force to you?

And how do you know that she wasn't asking him to pull out at that point? You think guys don't make noise when they're about to finish. Yea right. You think he was going to be able to do it without her noticing? I guess you guys just think Women are stupid creatures.

He knew exactly what he was doing.
 

DrunkenSano

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Sucks for guys who accidentally ejaculate early when they were suppose to pull out or were too into the heat of the moment to pull out. Now they are rapists.
 

sixone

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So if he didn't announce that he was going to ejaculate inside of her, would you agree that force wasn't involved? Or does the physical action of internal ejaculation at all constitute force to you?

No, I wouldn't. She asked him not to do a specific act DURING SEX, and he did it without her consent.

In the other case, they both consented to sex. The use of BC is not part of sexual intercourse, so use of or refusal to use BC cannot be considered rape.
 

MagickMan

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So you're telling me that a woman in bed asking you to pull out because she doesn't want you to ejaculate inside of her and NOT WANTING you to do that..but you do it anyway is not rape?

Correct. If you can't handle the consequences, don't perform the act. Contraception is easily acquired and oftentimes free. Use it. We shouldn't have the nanny state spelling this shit out and if you're an adult you need to take responsibility for your own actions, because they can have dire repercussions.
 

dank69

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Sucks for guys who accidentally ejaculate early when they were suppose to pull out or were too into the heat of the moment to pull out. Now they are rapists.
Actually, according to the article, the judge specifically said his decision does not apply to accidents. This guy did it on purpose and admitted he did it on purpose against her will. :whiste:
 

sixone

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Sucks for guys who accidentally ejaculate early when they were suppose to pull out or were too into the heat of the moment to pull out. Now they are rapists.

RTFA, already. He announced his intention to ejaculate after he was inside her. There was no accident or "into the heat of the moment", in this case.

Stop trying to make this something it isn't.
 

SheHateMe

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Sucks for guys who accidentally ejaculate early when they were suppose to pull out or were too into the heat of the moment to pull out. Now they are rapists.

He didn't accidentally ejaculate. He did it on purpose. Did you even read what he said to her?


Correct. If you can't handle the consequences, don't perform the act. Contraception is easily acquired and oftentimes free. Use it. We shouldn't have the nanny state spelling this shit out and if you're an adult you need to take responsibility for your own actions, because they can have dire repercussions.

So what you're saying is a man has every right to force something on a woman against her will during sex because she should be able to "handle the consequences" and use contraception.

He's an adult, yet, in the mind of you and Nehalem...he is excused. What he did was digusting, yet..all you two can think about is placing the blame on the female.
 
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dank69

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Correct. If you can't handle the consequences, don't perform the act. Contraception is easily acquired and oftentimes free. Use it. We shouldn't have the nanny state spelling this shit out and if you're an adult you need to take responsibility for your own actions, because they can have dire repercussions.
Considering this couple lives according to Sharia Law, I think contraception was not an option.
 

HamburgerBoy

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And how do you know that she wasn't asking him to pull out at that point? You think guys don't make noise when they're about to finish. Yea right. You think he was going to be able to do it without her noticing? I guess you guys just think Women are stupid creatures.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Ok, so he starts grunting and it becomes clear he is close to climax. Would she necessarily suspect that he isn't going to pull out? Would that mere moment of doubt constitute rape if she expressed it? Is it rape for a man who intended to pull out but due to poor self-control failed to?

He didn't accidentally ejaculate. He did it on purpose. Did you even read what he said to her?

But it's still a sex act she didn't consent to. Is there such thing as accidental rape?
 

SheHateMe

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Ok, so he starts grunting and it becomes clear he is close to climax. Would she necessarily suspect that he isn't going to pull out? Would that mere moment of doubt constitute rape if she expressed it? Is it rape for a man who intended to pull out but due to poor self-control failed to?

READ the article. Why are you guys still acting like this was an accident? He knew she did not want him to ejaculate inside of her, but he does it anyway because he feels he can do whatever he wants. That's what he told her.


However, at the last minute he told her he was not withdrawing and told her 'because you are my wife and I'll do it if I want'.

But it's still a sex act she didn't consent to. Is there such thing as accidental rape?

 
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MagickMan

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Considering this couple lives according to Sharia Law, I think contraception was not an option.

Then she shouldn't be having intercourse, or accept that she could get preggers.

So what you're saying is a man has every right to force something on a woman against her will during sex because she should be able to "handle the consequences" and use contraception.

He's an adult, yet, in the mind of you and Nehalem...he is excused. What he did was digusting, yet..all you two can think about is placing the blame on the female.

"Blame"? I'm not placing blame, I'm saying if she agreed to sex she needs to accept that jizz comes out. I suppose jizz is disgusting to some people, but it happens.

My wife laughed her ass off over this last night when we were talking about it. Then while we were fooling around later, ~3 seconds before I cum she said, "wait, don't do that! Stop! Stop!" Well, she got a yammie full of seed and we joked about it for half an hour.
 

nehalem256

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READ the article. Why are you guys still acting like this was an accident? He knew she did not want him to ejaculate inside of her, but he does it anyway because he feels he can do whatever he wants. That's what he told her.


So she consented to sex, but not exactly the sex that occurred.

Apparently rape has now been redefined to "not exactly the sex a woman wants".
 

DrunkenSano

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My wife laughed her ass off over this last night when we were talking about it. Then while we were fooling around later, ~3 seconds before I cum she said, "wait, don't do that! Stop! Stop!" Well, she got a yammie full of seed and we joked about it for half an hour.

You evil wife rapist.
 

HamburgerBoy

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READ the article. Why are you guys still acting like this was an accident? He knew she did not want him to ejaculate inside of her, but he does it anyway because he feels he can do whatever he wants. That's what he told her.





I explicitly posited the hypothetical in which he made no mention of his malicious intentions. You chose to respond to it. I am trying to determine exactly where the line is drawn here. I'm of the opinion that this was rape if he verbalized his intention to make her pregnant, and prevented her from ceasing the sex act. Others here have gone beyond that to say even in the event that she did not try to stop sexual intercourse, that simply ejaculating inside of her was rape, and that's what I disagree with.
 

SheHateMe

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Apparently rape has now been redefined to "not exactly the sex a woman wants".

No surprised by your behavior in this thread.

After all, you were the one who said the Steubenville boys didn't do anything wrong. What they did was the equivalent of sticking their finger in someone's nose while they slept.
 

DrunkenSano

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Now here is another question, if a girl wants sex but she tells the man, "Please don't go too deep inside of me." If the guy goes too deep, is that also rape?
 
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