Men could be convicted of rape 'even if the woman agrees to have sex

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MagickMan

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However, at the last minute he told her he was not withdrawing and told her 'because you are my wife and I'll do it if I want'.

Yeah, I'm sure the husband was having that conversation when he was about to bust a nut. Riiiight... If you can't deal with the consequences, like getting pregnant, and refuse to use contraception, don't screw. It's not like withdrawal actually works, anyway. Jesus, what a fucked up society.
 

_Rick_

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da fuq does that have to do with Sharia law holding up in a UK court.


UK, you suck.

No, you suck at reading..

Let me fix the bolding in the original quote:

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In his landmark decision Lord Judge ruled that because the man, the woman's husband under Sharia law, did not stick to his part of the pre-sex deal he could, in the eyes of the law, be held guilty of rape.

The only issue that is impacted by Sharia law, is whether the man and woman are married or not. Since they are not recognized as being married under UK law, this limitation is added.
 

OBLAMA2009

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they already had a case like this in the u.s.. some chick agreed to be nutted and then when the dude started thrusting she started yelling "rape!". the dude was found "not guilty" but a judge, thus establishin' a constitual right ta git laid in america...in other words, in america a dude has a right to finish once she lets you start.
 
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Rakehellion

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Breaking an agreement regarding sex is not rape. If by "last minute" it means he pinned her down and kept going for another thirty seconds, sure, rape.

Not all rape is forceful. If you consent to sex because a gun is to your head, it is rape.

And it wasn't a last minute decision by the man.
 

lupi

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I believe some states have a no rape can occur between a married couple law in the books.
 

Fritzo

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Superman arrested for masturbating in mid-air. His sperm flies thru an open office window and gets seven women pregnant simultaneously.

I would think it would kill them...it would be like buckshot.
 

nehalem256

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I believe some states have a no rape can occur between a married couple law in the books.

And this story is an excellent example of why no man should support marital rape laws. They are part of the feminist goal of making it so that any act of intercourse can be called rape if the woman decides it.

So much for keeping the government out of the bedroom huh?

So if a woman tells a man that she's on the pill or some form of birth control, but she's not and she gets pregnant, that's also rape?

No. Then the man needs to "Man Up" and take responsibility for having sex.
 

DrunkenSano

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No. Then the man needs to "Man Up" and take responsibility for having sex.

Sex takes two parties to tango, so if a man has to 'man up' for having sex. A woman can't claim rape if she gets pregnant either. She's responsible for having sex too.
 

actuarial

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And this story is an excellent example of why no man should support marital rape laws. They are part of the feminist goal of making it so that any act of intercourse can be called rape if the woman decides it.

Just to be clear: you believe that men should be legally allowed to forcibly rape their spouses?
 

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This judge is full of crap. You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby, sex is a passionate engagement where logical thinking is temporarily put aside. Things like pulling out seem to get lost in the moment.

If you choose to have sex anyway you should use contraceptives to minimize the risk of pregnancy. This is just a case of a woman who is trying to blame her man for something I feel she had an equal part in. If you consent to sex without contraceptive there is a good chance you can get pregnant. If he started beating her during the sex or doing something other than sex there very well could be charges laid but not for rape. If this is the new standard for agreements perhaps I should go down to the bank and tell them that I changed my mind about that mortgage and I'm just going to stop paying it because I don't feel like it any more.

We need to put judges like this out to pasture and find some good men and women who can put an end to these 'blame game' type cases. It's not his fault you got pregnant, it is a product of your combined efforts.
 

nehalem256

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This judge is full of crap. You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby, sex is a passionate engagement where logical thinking is temporarily put aside. Things like pulling out seem to get lost in the moment.

If you choose to have sex anyway you should use contraceptives to minimize the risk of pregnancy. This is just a case of a woman who is trying to blame her man for something I feel she had an equal part in. If you consent to sex without contraceptive there is a good chance you can get pregnant. If he started beating her during the sex or doing something other than sex there very well could be charges laid but not for rape. If this is the new standard for agreements perhaps I should go down to the bank and tell them that I changed my mind about that mortgage and I'm just going to stop paying it because I don't feel like it any more.

We need to put judges like this out to pasture and find some good men and women who can put an end to these 'blame game' type cases. It's not his fault you got pregnant, it is a product of your combined efforts.

Just to be clear: you believe that men should be legally allowed to forcibly rape their spouses?

See the bolded above.

The reason for marital rape laws is to give women power over men.
 

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There's nothing right about this story, and anyone who says otherwise can go fuck themselves. What are the consequences for the woman if she gets pregnant against the wishes of the man? Yea, I didn't think so... The government has no place in the bedroom. It's an issue between two adults, and they need to work it out themselves.

I completely agree, the government has no place in the bedroom. No witnesses, no supporting evidence, two adults who are pissed at each other, how the hell does any justice feel like they can make a fair ruling?
 

nehalem256

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I completely agree, the government has no place in the bedroom. No witnesses, no supporting evidence, two adults who are pissed at each other, how the hell does any justice feel like they can make a fair ruling?

Typical feminist "justice". Give women whatever they want.
 

lxskllr

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So as long as he doesn't beat her it's all good? Marriage is implicit consent to sex whenever and wherever?

Then get a divorce if the terms aren't acceptable. They obviously got married without much forethought. It isn't the job of the courts to assure happiness for both parties.
 

nehalem256

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So as long as he doesn't beat her it's all good?

I believe you were the one to use the term "forcible rape". Perhaps you would like to concoct a scenario of forcible rape that does not involve beating, slapping, tying her up, holding a knife to her throat, etc (you know all things that are illegal whether or not sex occurs)?

Marriage is implicit consent to sex whenever and wherever?

I think that under any rational definition of marriage there is a pretty high bar of implied consent to sex.

In fact this is not really purely about marriage. The bar for establishing non-consent to sex with say your live in gf you have screwed 500 times is a lot higher than for say a total stranger.
 

blackangst1

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Sharia Law is not taken seriously in the UK... it's just the religious marriage part. So they are legally married under Sharia Law. Nothing else from Sharia Law is legal in the UK.

I feel that most of you have either not read the article, specifically this bit

"The woman had consented to sex, but only on condition that her husband withdrew as she did not want to become pregnant. However, at the last minute he told her he was not withdrawing and told her 'because you are my wife and I'll do it if I want'."

Or you are just completely stupid.

I have to agree with the Judge. They made an agreement and he WILLFULLY broke it. This was not an accident, which can happen.

Do yourself a favor and Google "no go zones in UK" and then tell us again about how the UK does not take Sharia law seriously.
 

steve wilson

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This judge is full of crap. You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby, sex is a passionate engagement where logical thinking is temporarily put aside. Things like pulling out seem to get lost in the moment.

If you choose to have sex anyway you should use contraceptives to minimize the risk of pregnancy. This is just a case of a woman who is trying to blame her man for something I feel she had an equal part in. If you consent to sex without contraceptive there is a good chance you can get pregnant. If he started beating her during the sex or doing something other than sex there very well could be charges laid but not for rape. If this is the new standard for agreements perhaps I should go down to the bank and tell them that I changed my mind about that mortgage and I'm just going to stop paying it because I don't feel like it any more.

We need to put judges like this out to pasture and find some good men and women who can put an end to these 'blame game' type cases. It's not his fault you got pregnant, it is a product of your combined efforts.

LOL... that analogy is so stupid. He broke the agreement made before they started having sex. You are breaking the agreement after taking out the mortgage. He is being done for rape... so you will be done for not paying the mortgage!
 

Apple Of Sodom

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What if he said something horrible to her during sex - 'your father and I had sex', 'I voted for Romney' - that makes her want him to stop - that does turn into rape.

What if you're raping a girl but she starts getting into it - let's say you are endowed and very considerate. Does that turn it into consensual sex?
 

DougK62

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The pull out method is an effective method of contraception now? Interesting.

Studies show that there is no sperm in pre-ejaculate. So if you do it correctly, pulling out can absolutely be an effective method.
 

steve wilson

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And this story is an excellent example of why no man should support marital rape laws. They are part of the feminist goal of making it so that any act of intercourse can be called rape if the woman decides it.

So much for keeping the government out of the bedroom huh?



No. Then the man needs to "Man Up" and take responsibility for having sex.

wow... just wow. You think because you are married to a woman you should be able to have sex when ever you want with out consent? What about if the wife wants a divorce... does she still have to have sex right up until the divorce is finalized? If the husband refuses the divorce and drags it out does she still have to have sex with him until it's finalized?

This is just a retarded way of thinking.
 

steve wilson

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Studies show that there is no sperm in pre-ejaculate. So if you do it correctly, pulling out can absolutely be an effective method.

Can you link these studies. All the advice I have ever got is that is not an effective method of contraception.
 
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