Men could be convicted of rape 'even if the woman agrees to have sex

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nehalem256

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wow... just wow. You think because you are married to a woman you should be able to have sex when ever you want with out consent?

So you think if a man is sleeping and his wife starts giving him a BJ to wake him up she is a rapist?

What about if the wife wants a divorce... does she still have to have sex right up until the divorce is finalized? If the husband refuses the divorce and drags it out does she still have to have sex with him until it's finalized?

This is just a retarded way of thinking.

I think actions like initiation of a divorce pretty clear withdraw consent. That is clearly not the case here
 

_Rick_

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So you think if a man is sleeping and his wife starts giving him a BJ to wake him up she is a rapist?

If the husband previously said "stay away from my pen0r while I'm asleep", (or had reasonable expectation of her not doing it) then yes. Next question please.
 

steve wilson

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So you think if a man is sleeping and his wife starts giving him a BJ to wake him up she is a rapist?



I think actions like initiation of a divorce pretty clear withdraw consent. That is clearly not the case here

Well if my wife woke me up like that I would be over the moon. But she already knows that this is OK with in our marriage. If a woman that wasn't my wife did that to me it would be classed as rape yes(because she has no consent). There was clear agreement between the two of them in this case, which he WILLFULLY broke.

I was on a tangent with that and not talking about the case in the OP. I was replying to the comment made about a wife having to have sex when ever the husband wants with out consent.
 

steve wilson

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No I never, but here is a quote from the first article you linked which sums it up nicely.

"frantic scaremongering", while William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said the bishop had "probably put it too strongly".

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said the idea of no-go areas was "a gross caricature of reality".

I live in the UK. I know the article is sensationalist to say the least and bull shit to say it as it is. Sharia Law does not matter in UK law apart from the marriage bit.
 

_Rick_

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Favorite quote:

The Rt Rev Nicholas Reade, the Bishop of Blackburn, which has a large Muslim community, said that it was increasingly difficult for Christians to share their faith in areas where there was a high proportion of immigrants of other faiths.

"Oh no, you can't play missionary at home anymore!"
 

sixone

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She didn't change her mind. She consented on the condition of him pulling out. Not only did he not do that, he gloated about it, so it was intentional. He broke their agreement, nullifying her consent.

Or at least that's how it could go down if this is actually prosecuted.

That's how it SHOULD go down.

Both parties have the right to stop sexual activity at any time, for any reason, married or not. If one party refuses to stop when asked, they should be prosecuted as a rapist.
 

nehalem256

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That's how it SHOULD go down.

Both parties have the right to stop sexual activity at any time, for any reason, married or not. If one party refuses to stop when asked, they should be prosecuted as a rapist.

So then you would agree that a woman giving a BJ to her sleeping husband is a rapist, because a sleeping person cannot consent to sex...
 

steve wilson

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So then you would agree that a woman giving a BJ to her sleeping husband is a rapist, because a sleeping person cannot consent to sex...

ROFL this is like talking to a brick wall. You lack context. It all depends on the marriage. As I said earlier in my marriage my wife knows this is OK (not that she would ever do this). I also know that my wife would not like me to wake her up with oral sex... in fact my wife doesn't want me to wake her up unless the house is on fire. So to answer your question for the third time in this thread (someone else also answered you) yes it is rape if the husband has not given consent!
 

sixone

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So then you would agree that a woman giving a BJ to her sleeping husband is a rapist, because a sleeping person cannot consent to sex...

That's a completely different question, and completely irrelevant to the topic posted. The fact that you're trying to divert the topic away from the story presented is interesting.
 

alkemyst

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So if a woman tells a man that she's on the pill or some form of birth control, but she's not and she gets pregnant, that's also rape?

No, however the woman can be found guilty of things...

Even if one is married, it doesn't give one right to just have their way with them.
 

alkemyst

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That's a completely different question, and completely irrelevant to the topic posted. The fact that you're trying to divert the topic away from the story presented is interesting.

QFT, the same way one cannot be held in "Sexual Harrassment" for just asking someone out or even getting a bit derogatory with them. It's only harrassment after they have been told "NO".

Sleeping in bed with someone you have had sexual relations with in the past, esp a spouse gives some implied consent unless each time the partners had to verbally agree (tough to prove in court).

However, should someone be getting a BJ then wake up and say "STOP!" then any moves to continue that would be harrassment, assault, rape, et al....
 

zephyrprime

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She agreed to have sex so this is not rape. She didn't even cry rape during the sex act. This is breech of contract or something but that is all.
 

slayernine

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LOL... that analogy is so stupid. He broke the agreement made before they started having sex. You are breaking the agreement after taking out the mortgage. He is being done for rape... so you will be done for not paying the mortgage!

Except that he didn't break the agreement before they started having sex. I'm saying that the wife can't suddenly decide after having sex that she didn't want it. There are risks associated from having sex, you can't change your mind about it when things don't go your way.
 

blackangst1

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No I never, but here is a quote from the first article you linked which sums it up nicely.

"frantic scaremongering", while William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said the bishop had "probably put it too strongly".

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said the idea of no-go areas was "a gross caricature of reality".

I live in the UK. I know the article is sensationalist to say the least and bull shit to say it as it is. Sharia Law does not matter in UK law apart from the marriage bit.

Yes and I believe the threat of Zetas here in AZ is scaremongering because I personally have never seen any in my neighborhood.

Look. Let me put it this way. Lets say youre right in that the UK justice system is free of Sharia law except the marriage laws. Doesnt that frighten you? You know the slippery slope argument, yes? Personally, if there were signs in my country stating that an area I was entering was under some religeous law superceeding state law, it would frighten me. I know there are areas for Amish/quakers/etc that have their own subset of rules. But those areas dont forbid that which they dont use.
 

nehalem256

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That's a completely different question, and completely irrelevant to the topic posted. The fact that you're trying to divert the topic away from the story presented is interesting.

Its not a diversion. It is pointing out how stupid your idea of "rape" is.

A person who is asleep cannot consent to sex. So having sex with them is logically rape.

The only way it is not rape is if there is some implied consent stemming from the relationship.
 

dank69

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So you are saying that lying about BC usage does not constitute rape.

And so the case from the OP is not rape then.
Correct. These are both the exact same situation. A woman lying about using birth control introduces a foreign substance into your body without your consent.
 

HamburgerBoy

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LOL... that analogy is so stupid. He broke the agreement made before they started having sex. You are breaking the agreement after taking out the mortgage. He is being done for rape... so you will be done for not paying the mortgage!

How is that even possible? The agreement was pulling out. How could he have broken that agreement before he even put it in?
 
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