Men of ATOT: Why didn't you serve?

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Charmonium

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May 15, 2015
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So I take it that Sleven is one of the resident trolls. I should probably pay more attention to userids.
 

Mai72

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Cause my momma say that I special and she wanted to keep me close to her at all times.
 
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My dad was a ww2 veteran. In college I asked him about joining rotc. . He wanted to kill me. Seriously the second most angry incident with him that i recall.

Most parents hope their kids not take a job where death or dismemberment are potential hazards.

Anyone dumb enough to join the military should. . That way my kids don't have to.
 
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I talked with a recruiter prior to graduating high school which would have put me a few years before the first Gulf War. Thyroid disease kept me out. I am forever grateful to all who serve or have served: THANK YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES!
Dude, its a career. . No one thanks me for what i do for no reason.
 
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No it's not just a career it's the choice to defend the ones you love the american way and shitheads like you who can't appreciate it.

I work on engineering highly complex military devices. No one has once thanked me in 16 years for providing high quality devices that "protect you" while not having faults that might kill soldiers inadvertently.

And if you think these people chose their careers because they had options like going to Wall Street or being a physicist, you are wrong. The truth has more to do with financial need and recruiters targeting those with limited economic options.

Anecdotally:
I live in a town of wealth today. I have not seen a single recruiter in the 10+ years I have lived here. I haven't even seen someone in military dress in a 15 mile radius since I have lived here. The local town fairs have ZERO recruiters there. ZERO. How's that compare to your neighborhood? I grew up in a poor area in the country and there was a recruitment center and I was even approached while working a summer job.

Do not confuse my appreciation for what everyone does in this country. We are all parts of a system that provides a good life. I just don't blindly assign prestige to certain careers. I assign prestige to people that are not ass holes. And do not confuse what the word choice means. It means you have other options.
 
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leper84

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I work on engineering highly complex military devices. No one has once thanked me in 16 years

In 16 years has your job ever put you at risk of losing life or limb? Any of your co-workers sent home quadriplegic? How many memorials with stacks of m4's and boots have you attended at your engineering job? Drive by IEDs on the way there? Take any small arms, rocket or mortar fire?

That's why people thank the military. At your own admission, while you're safe in your wealthy town, us poor people are out on the front lines. So you're saying they don't deserve any more thanks than you do either?
 

Tidekilla115

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I work on engineering highly complex military devices. No one has once thanked me in 16 years for providing high quality devices that "protect you" while not having faults that might kill soldiers inadvertently.

And if you think these people chose their careers because they had options like going to Wall Street or being a physicist, you are wrong. The truth has more to do with financial need and recruiters targeting those with limited economic options.

Anecdotally:
I live in a town of wealth today. I have not seen a single recruiter in the 10+ years I have lived here. I haven't even seen someone in military dress in a 15 mile radius since I have lived here. The local town fairs have ZERO recruiters there. ZERO. How's that compare to your neighborhood? I grew up in a poor area in the country and there was a recruitment center and I was even approached while working a summer job.

Do not confuse my appreciation for what everyone does in this country. We are all parts of a system that provides a good life. I just don't blindly assign prestige to certain careers. I assign prestige to people that are not ass holes. And do not confuse what the word choice means. It means you have other options.

I know every one can't serve every one has a the system doesnt work other wise but not all jobs are equal and the military is the toughest and the riskiest of all so they deserve thanks. And saying "anyone dumb enough to join the military should" feels like a slap to the face to me as all of male blood relatives besides an uncle and a couple cousins have served in the military and most are very smart, my grandpa served 8 years in the army got out went to collage became an electrical engineer and worked for boeing for 22 years before retiring, my great uncle served 4 years in the marines got out got his phd in history and became a professor at the university in central tennasee, my uncle and my older brother work at lockheed-Martin, my dad got his bachelor's degree in buisness after retiring from the army, his brother was in the air-force and now is a mechanical engineer for boeing in the commercial side of things.these are just a few family members all very intelligent people who felt the need to serve. Maybe I jumped to fast without knowing your situation but I still feel your earlier statements were wrong. And as for your question I live near Huntsville so I see soldiers in uniform fairly often and we have a navy and army recruitment center.
 

SP33Demon

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yeah, that is ridiculous. I'm 37 (1979), so now I went from being "gen X" most of my life from 1990 on, to now practically being "a millenial," which was really only coined and defined in the last couple of years? Sorry, no.

There is no way to group my generation along the same lines as one that was completely raised in an internet/cell phone/social media world. I didn't really get on the internet until after high school (but I was certainly a slow starter there). Primarily because of that, I never saw and still see no practical or logical need for a Facebook account--also never had Myspace.

My generation are the ungrateful spoiled angtsy shithead children of the Baby Boomers.

Millenials are the spoiled, self-important, irresponsible dillhole children of my generation and the baby-boomer/gen X overlap generation.

I doubt that moving of the generation lines by several decades for millenials. It makes no sense. To me, millenials are the little shits that experienced their formative years (learning how to interact with humans--so ~4th grade and beyond) from 2000+, essentially primarily online and post-9/11.
Lol I'm older than you son. Awesome.

Angsty? Where are you getting this from, the grunge era was angsty. To have angst you have to give a shit first. I would label our generation as the Do Not give a shit generation. We didn't really grow up with computers so we don't care as much about them. Same with cell phones. Although, I did have a myspace page.
 

MongGrel

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Lol I'm older than you son. Awesome.

Angsty? Where are you getting this from, the grunge era was angsty. To have angst you have to give a shit first. I would label our generation as the Do Not give a shit generation. We didn't really grow up with computers so we don't care as much about them. Same with cell phones. Although, I did have a myspace page.

Go back to doing squats with your teen aged girls, stick to what you are good at.

Less thinking and more squatting.
 
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JulesMaximus

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No it's not just a career it's the choice to defend the ones you love the american way and shitheads like you who can't appreciate it.

Is that what you're after? Appreciation?

Don't we have enough holidays already? Besides, you don't do this for free do you? You do get paid right?
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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No it's not just a career it's the choice to defend the ones you love the american way and shitheads like you who can't appreciate it.

Military doesn't defend anything, they simply support our rich's agenda and deliver as they are told.

Rich don't give a crap about America or your patriotic crap......look at their actions. Politicians are their puppets (in case you haven't noticed).

Since WW2 we have not fought one war that's worth fighting. We are simply supporting what Eike warned us about......Military industrial complex.

Read up on history and do little research.

American people are being robbed on a massive scale. Probably one of the biggest robberies in the history of man kind. They simply take your tax money and hand it over to weapons, military, supply contractors and security "buddies".

And sheep like you still think our military is somehow "defending our freedom".

Riiiiight
 

tcsenter

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Sep 7, 2001
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Since WW2 we have not fought one war that's worth fighting.
Korea. We in fact had obligations to protect South Korea in case of aggression by the Commies to the North. We fulfilled our promises on that, which was on the level and honorable.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Lol I'm older than you son. Awesome.

Angsty? Where are you getting this from, the grunge era was angsty. To have angst you have to give a shit first. I would label our generation as the Do Not give a shit generation. We didn't really grow up with computers so we don't care as much about them. Same with cell phones. Although, I did have a myspace page.

sorry to hear that. This must be embarrassing for you.

The grunge era was the 90s, which was angtsy as you said. The 90s were my formative years, so exactly as I described.
 
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