Men of ATOT: Why didn't you serve?

[ImpulsE69]

Of course not. It costs $1.05.

You mean about $2.09 /gallon right now.

 

[tcsenter]

You draw the very wrong conclusion from the facts. The amount wasted on military spending should not be nearly as large a share it is compared to retirement and healthcare.

The only one of these the federal government is constitutionally mandated to provide for is national defense.

 

[KlokWyze]

I see plenty of you share my complete lack of trust for the government and criticism of any of these armed conflicts since ww2 so I'll spare y'all beating a dead horse. Military is a good way to get a good education if you live in the middle of nowhere, no jobs, etc.

Does the US government really still inspire trust in any body? I mean to be willing to sacrifice your body and life for? I do have respect and appreciation for the boots on the ground fighting ISIS... but the US led coalition created that shit in the first place so that's a bit of a wash.

It's a massive quagmire of fuckery I tell ya.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I buy my Freedoms for tree fitty. :hmm:

You gave freedom another damned three fiddy?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3BGs1uxfg

 

[werepossum]

I seriously considered it. In high school, I was aggressively courted by Army, Navy and especially the Air Force. Free university, followed by seven years of service. I ultimately turned it down because:
A. I would have been twenty-nine when I completed my enlistment - that's ancient!
B. Although they were aggressively recruiting, several of the military people I knew were being RIFfed (draw-down from Vietnam war and before the Reagan build-up) which made it seem like an unlikely and unproductive career choice.
C. Being legally blind without my contacts, combat promised to be, um, something less than optimum for me.
D. Having long hair, a smoking hot girlfriend, and ambitions of being an engineer, shacking up and getting laid several times a day between classes seemed somewhat more enjoyable than shaving my head and living with men.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I feel this is a legitimate question that will cause a lot of hearth ache. I also feel that I am in a unique position to ask this of you: Why didn't you serve in the war?

To clarify: Most of you are millennials. You are between 20-40 years old, and you could have. But you didn't. What was it that kept you from doing so?

I don't want to downplay your answers but, as a male, I feel like, at least in my childhood, I have always been bred to fight a war. It was always my destiny to go toe to toe with another man and fight to the death. That sounds a lot cooler than it really was...but I feel that I am justified.

I am a big fan of these scenes:

DEATH!!!
KLENDATHU!!

I'm curious as to your reasons of not being there with your sword. I was there. I spilled blood. Most of you were not there. I feel kind of betrayed.

I do not see the point to die or be maimed in war so that some group of millionaires/billionaires can profit and enjoy tea as they fly to the next destination in their private luxury jet.

Now, if some foreign nation would be coming in to our land to try and take over I am more than willing to step up and fight for our country/homeland.


During the Iraq war so many Soldiers who were willing to stand up and risk their lives to protect this country, were sent on a profiteering war for Bush/Cheney related industries and ended up in caskets or maimed for life.

 

[Hugo Drax]

You really are clueless. Lets play your game and talk about money. 16% of the federal budget goes to the "military" and "security".

However -

Social Security accounts for 24% while Medicaid accounts for 25%. Another 10% goes towards "safety net" programs. So "social" programs cost almost 4x what the military costs.

You are being fleeced - but its not by the military. Take your own advice and do a little research.

so 16% of our budget, so what is the dollar number?

These social programs. Last I heard its paid for by the people who work something called FICA?

So its not like some freebie. If you put money into a 401K you do expect to get some kind of return on it and a monthly check from it when you retire. Why do you think its called an entitlement. Because your entitled into getting your check from all those years of them FICA scalpings on your check.

 

[JMapleton]

I think mandatory civil service is an excellent idea. Doesn't have to be the military - but everyone should have to spend 2-4 years providing a service back to their country. No exceptions.

I think your post, and the posts of many others in this thread, are proof that many people in this country do NOT hold the military in high regard.

Your idea is not only dangerous but stupid.

Isn't this a free country? Why should the government force a fully grown adult to do something they don't want to do?

"Give back"? You are borderline toying with the same mindset countries like N Korea do, that the state somehow owns you and that you "owe" them for something you never willingly consented to accepting.

I am not the property of the US government, the US government is my property.

Open a history book and the constitution.

Your mindset is dangerous and stupid. Literally just stupid.

 

[Sonikku]

I am not the property the US government, the US government is my property.

Is your last name Koch? :hmm:

 

[slugg]

I feel this is a legitimate question that will cause a lot of hearth ache. I also feel that I am in a unique position to ask this of you: Why didn't you serve in the war?

To clarify: Most of you are millennials. You are between 20-40 years old, and you could have. But you didn't. What was it that kept you from doing so?

I don't want to downplay your answers but, as a male, I feel like, at least in my childhood, I have always been bred to fight a war. It was always my destiny to go toe to toe with another man and fight to the death. That sounds a lot cooler than it really was...but I feel that I am justified.

I am a big fan of these scenes:

DEATH!!!
KLENDATHU!!

I'm curious as to your reasons of not being there with your sword. I was there. I spilled blood. Most of you were not there. I feel kind of betrayed.

Because I'll be damned if some asshole with an IQ that rivals that of a dog's has control over my life. I don't blindly follow orders. I don't accept people yelling at me for any reason. I do, in fact, have a problem with authority.

I'm too much of a free thinker to be in the military. You can't tell me what to do and I will never drink the punch. That's actually why I turned down quite a few jobs.

 

[skimple]

Your idea is not only dangerous but stupid.

Isn't this a free country? Why should the government force a fully grown adult to do something they don't want to do?

"Give back"? You are borderline toying with the same mindset countries like N Korea do, that the state somehow owns you and that you "owe" them for something you never willingly consented to accepting.

I am not the property of the US government, the US government is my property.

Open a history book and the constitution.

Your mindset is dangerous and stupid. Literally just stupid.

LOL. The government "forces" you to do stuff every day. Do you pay taxes? Do you have a driver's license? Did you have to go to school? Your whole life is regulated by the government whether you "consent" to it or not. You're a fool if you think otherwise.

The whole basis of "socialism" is that the individuals all contribute to the well-being of the whole. Its the entire foundation of the system in which we live. If you want to dismantle that entire system - I'm all for it.

I laugh that you mention North Korea, like the idea that serving your country is a symbol of a dictatorship. How about Germany, Israel, and all of the other countries which require some form of civil service?

You are a perfect example of the over-entitled, precious snowflakes that stand on the backs of the people who have made sacrifices before you in order to give you the opportunities that you have.

"I don't owe anybody anything. (Now gimmie, gimme, gimmie)"

 

[skimple]

Because I'll be damned if some asshole with an IQ that rivals that of a dog's has control over my life.

Wow - you just insulted every member of every branch of the military.

Thanks for showing us what kind of person you are.

 

[zinfamous]

I am not the property of the US government,

correct

the US government is my property.

incorrect

 

[Sonikku]

He's not necessarily incorrect if he's a 1%er. This is ATOT after all. :hmm

 

[slugg]

Wow - you just insulted every member of every branch of the military.

Thanks for showing us what kind of person you are.

You suck at reading comprehension.

 

[blankslate]

Dunno if I posted it yet

I hope I die as well as this man one day, since we all have to take this route

I really wished you were born in that time as fighting for Feudal Lords would've been a better way to spill the blood of patriots (however misguided they were as a result of lies told to them) than in a war of choice for which lies (or the administration members were just fucking stupidly incompetent) were used to convince the public....


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[keird]

What do you call a Marine with an IQ over 160?

Platoon.

 

[brianmanahan]

What do you call a Marine with an IQ over 160?

Platoon.

 

[skimple]

You suck at reading comprehension.

No. I'm pretty sure I got it right. You assume that members of the military all have low IQs. I don't think there's any ambiguity there.

It just reinforces for me that you have absolutely no knowledge of the military at all, other than what you've read on the the Huffington Post.

 

[blankslate]

Because I'll be damned if some asshole with an IQ that rivals that of a dog's has control over my life. I don't blindly follow orders. I don't accept people yelling at me for any reason. I do, in fact, have a problem with authority.

To be fair we've only had one president in recent years with an IQ that rivals a dog... and I suspect that his VP was mostly in charge anyway... in fact the secret service gave his VP a nickname that suggested that he was looking at all the "angles" of a situation and another one that suggested a person you would hate to be a passenger in your car....

As for a problem with authority? yeah if it's bad enough you're not going to adapt to the military...

As for blindly following orders? You are obligated to disobey illegal orders. Granted, only a minuscule number of military members have been on the receiving end of those.


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