Mental health is a real problem

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John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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You must not get out much, I'll clue you in most people are fucking nuts. I go in to peoples houses for a living, everyone has there quirks. Theres lots of horribly nasty people, ridiculously clean people, people that never shut up even after they ask a question, people that barely mumble a word, people that have shrines to the weirdest shit, people that can't put the game controller down long enough to answer the door, people with more pets and kids than I can count like the house is a goddamn zoo, I can go on and on people are fucking nuts.


Stop! Stop! You're making too much sense.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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If antidepressants worked why is depression skyrocketing at the epidemiological level?
 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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What I honestly find so fasinating with the whole mental health issue is that it is pretty much a first world problem. Funny how the human brain works - when you have questions in life like "What/How am I going to be able to eat tonight?" is apparently not a stressful question because countries where that is a common thought has much lower suicide rates than first world countries.

The human brain obviously has some significant flaws, hopefully as we develop the world further we evolve further as humans to not have these mental disorders. For the life of me I will never be able to wrap my head around how the brains of successful platinum rock stars can communicate that Suicide is an answer to a problem - when they definitely have a lot fewer problems than other Americans.
Honestly the truth is mental health runs rampant among middle class white people, IMO. Their expectations don't match the world around them on a daily basis.

What is it like 10%-20% of them are on antidepressants who don't cut the mustard, the parents are barely holding the second marriage together, and the bad eggs steal the jewelry to buy opiates.

Sign me up.

Really its the total opposite I've completely checked out of their social dynamics haha. I'd date a first generation Spanish girl in a heartbeat or something like that. I'm completely done with it.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,453
10,120
126
Shit... My cousin was at a mental health hospital and seen the effects of that shit. Aftermath: drooling all over yourself and semi-dead.

It seems like a very archaic method to treat people with mental helath issues. Like something from the 1930's.

Edit-

Looks like the damn thing was made in the 30's.
Exactly. It's a form of torture, plain and simple, and has, like blood-letting, no place in modern medicine or health-care.

(I'm sure doctors of that day said that blood-letting was effective too.)
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
21,997
20,238
136
Exactly. It's a form of torture, plain and simple, and has, like blood-letting, no place in modern medicine or health-care.

(I'm sure doctors of that day said that blood-letting was effective too.)

I was in a detox for alcohol in a ward that was for dual diagnosis and adult psych only patients. That place did a lot of ECT in a very populated area - every single person there who was getting ECT and had had numerous sessions already was praising it's effectiveness on their depression, doing what no drug had done before. That's my small sample group of the day.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
22,840
617
121
Exactly. It's a form of torture, plain and simple, and has, like blood-letting, no place in modern medicine or health-care.

(I'm sure doctors of that day said that blood-letting was effective too.)


Wasn't blood-letting used on Lincoln? Or was that some other politician back then who was shot?
 

mindless1

Diamond Member
Aug 11, 2001
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Recently took a multi-week course from the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI). It was a real eye-opener. Apparently about 80% of the people locked up in this country suffer from some form of mental illness.

Fixed

A person doesn't have to outwardly act like a sociopath or have severe depression to have mental illness. Those people are just easier to spot.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
52,856
1,048
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I think half the problem with mental health these days is diet and especially lack of sleep. People stay awake late watching tv, playing on phones, video games. Then they get up early and chug a monster to function. Do that day in day out suicide won't seem like such a bad idea after awhile.

Can't disagree there. Caffeine/sugar - certainly do not help. I find happiness in my family's wellness and daily activities. If I were a single adult and gamed all night just to feel like shit the next day with little direction in life, no doubt I'd feel without purpose. No doubt life would feel less rewarding. It takes effort, with a side of selflessness..

P.S. I'm posting this at 1:30am only because I just came back from a weekly activity and still high on adrenaline. I'm sure I'll regret it in the morning, again.
 
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mindless1

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^ Bullshit meter on full tilt. Single vs married has nothing to do with mental health, nor does lack of sleep. Maybe perpetual overcaffeinating to try to make up for lack of sleep...

Lack of purpose or reward can be crutches a mentally ill person uses, but are more effect than cause.

Granted, mentally ill people do tend to find it harder to hang onto a relationship, job, etc. but the opposite can also be true. It can cause people to stick to the safe course, not get out of an abusive relationship or not be dynamic enough to move past a bad job.

While I have used "mentally ill" as a black and white label, or at least it could be interpreted that way, both the degree of illness and the interpretation of it is subjective. One standard is an inability to resolve problems, let them become a handicap.
 
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Ancalagon44

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I've had various mental health issues for most of my life. Not as badly as some, but I have been suicidal, multiple times.

To look at me from the outside, you would never know. I have a good job, own my own flat and car, and am generally a friendly likeable guy. Not many people do know of my struggles actually. My brothers know, I don't think any of my friends do. Some of my friends know some of the stuff that I have been through, like having a mother with mental illness or both of my parents dying when I was fairly young. But, only my close family really knows the full picture. And even then, some stuff I don't share with them. Like the suicidal thoughts I used to have.

What helped me was reading a book on childhood trauma. It explained that the trauma that I went through as a kid affected my brain deeply, and set me up for... well a more difficult life. You know, people always say, oh just get over it, your mother died 10 years ago, yes she was mentally ill but she has been gone for a decade. The reality is, while the stressor itself has gone away, the damage remains and is difficult to heal. I have been to therapists, I have read books, and lately I meditate every day, in the hopes that meditation will one day be able to repair my brain.

The things that really helped me were reading that book on childhood trauma and starting to meditate. Reading the book on childhood trauma helped me to understand why I still battle years after my childhood. I mean, its over now, shouldn't I be better? The book explains that unfortunately it is all due to your brain. It may sound depressing to hear that I am basically brain damaged compared to someone healthy, but, it was oddly comforting because it explained why life was so difficult for me.

Meditation gives me a little bit of peace and gives me the hope that maybe one day, things will get better and my brain will improve. I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore either.

Regarding suicide.... I see it differently these days. I used to see it as sadness or pain so profound that the suicidee feels that an end to their pain is the only kindness left. But, now I see it as basically a complication of mental illness. Your brain gets out of whack, and one of the things that the brain can do when it is unwell is decide to end itself. It's not rational, it just happens.

Despite this, life is still not easy for me. I battle, and actually have been battling this week. I wondered to myself whether a sick leave policy should also cover mental illness. Because, I'm not productive in the office at the moment.
 
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BoomerD

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^ Bullshit meter on full tilt. Single vs married has nothing to do with mental health, nor does lack of sleep. Maybe perpetual overcaffeinating to try to make up for lack of sleep...

Lack of purpose or reward can be crutches a mentally ill person uses, but are more effect than cause.

Granted, mentally ill people do tend to find it harder to hang onto a relationship, job, etc. but the opposite can also be true. It can cause people to stick to the safe course, not get out of an abusive relationship or not be dynamic enough to move past a bad job.

While I have used "mentally ill" as a black and white label, or at least it could be interpreted that way, both the degree of illness and the interpretation of it is subjective. One standard is an inability to resolve problems, let them become a handicap.

I gotta disagree with you...I've been married for over 42 years...and she drives me bat-shit crazy sometimes.
 

urvile

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Wait until you have seen meth and heroin abuse exacerbate mental health issues. When one of your buddies is explaining to you why he is jesus.... Well then you understand what mental illness is. Fuck depression. Don't get me wrong it is a very bad and very real thing but once you have seen people lose their minds well.......I went and visited one of my buddies in a psychiatric hospital after he fried his brain and it is not pretty.

It's twenty years later and he is still fucked. It's like his life ended in his early twenties. I have been in some very dark places myself due to my excessive (and previous) love for meth. but I pulled through it. Not everyone does.

Seriously. You cannot understand what insanity is until you have spent at least a decade shooting methamphetamine.

God I love the anonymous nature of internet forums. ;-P
 
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skull

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Jun 5, 2000
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^ Bullshit meter on full tilt. Single vs married has nothing to do with mental health, nor does lack of sleep. Maybe perpetual overcaffeinating to try to make up for lack of sleep...

Lack of purpose or reward can be crutches a mentally ill person uses, but are more effect than cause.

Granted, mentally ill people do tend to find it harder to hang onto a relationship, job, etc. but the opposite can also be true. It can cause people to stick to the safe course, not get out of an abusive relationship or not be dynamic enough to move past a bad job.

While I have used "mentally ill" as a black and white label, or at least it could be interpreted that way, both the degree of illness and the interpretation of it is subjective. One standard is an inability to resolve problems, let them become a handicap.

The original post was talking about how he can't believe how many people are suicidal. While lack of sleep, diet and lack of purpose might not be mental illness they can make you suicidal.

You should look into sleep it plays a big role in mental health. You can only go without/with little sleep for so long before it really fucks you up.

Food also when you don't get the nutrients your body needs it can cause all kinds of issues with your brain. I've been trying different kinds of supplements for years finally about 2 months ago I stumbled on a type of B complex that absorbs better. Its amazing how big of a difference its made, I've been feeling awesome ever since. Nothing else I've tried has come close.

Lack of purpose definitely adds fuel to the fire. With all these mundane jobs where you really don't matter at all, some other moron can take your place today. Then on top of it its not do or die anymore, if you quit get fired, theres unemployment/welfare ready to drop a check in the mail for nothing. Makes people feel useless, if you don't sleep, have a bad diet on top of feeling useless its a perfect recipe for suicide.
 

interchange

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Oct 10, 1999
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I've had various mental health issues for most of my life. Not as badly as some, but I have been suicidal, multiple times.

To look at me from the outside, you would never know. I have a good job, own my own flat and car, and am generally a friendly likeable guy. Not many people do know of my struggles actually. My brothers know, I don't think any of my friends do. Some of my friends know some of the stuff that I have been through, like having a mother with mental illness or both of my parents dying when I was fairly young. But, only my close family really knows the full picture. And even then, some stuff I don't share with them. Like the suicidal thoughts I used to have.

What helped me was reading a book on childhood trauma. It explained that the trauma that I went through as a kid affected my brain deeply, and set me up for... well a more difficult life. You know, people always say, oh just get over it, your mother died 10 years ago, yes she was mentally ill but she has been gone for a decade. The reality is, while the stressor itself has gone away, the damage remains and is difficult to heal. I have been to therapists, I have read books, and lately I meditate every day, in the hopes that meditation will one day be able to repair my brain.

The things that really helped me were reading that book on childhood trauma and starting to meditate. Reading the book on childhood trauma helped me to understand why I still battle years after my childhood. I mean, its over now, shouldn't I be better? The book explains that unfortunately it is all due to your brain. It may sound depressing to hear that I am basically brain damaged compared to someone healthy, but, it was oddly comforting because it explained why life was so difficult for me.

Meditation gives me a little bit of peace and gives me the hope that maybe one day, things will get better and my brain will improve. I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore either.

Regarding suicide.... I see it differently these days. I used to see it as sadness or pain so profound that the suicidee feels that an end to their pain is the only kindness left. But, now I see it as basically a complication of mental illness. Your brain gets out of whack, and one of the things that the brain can do when it is unwell is decide to end itself. It's not rational, it just happens.

Despite this, life is still not easy for me. I battle, and actually have been battling this week. I wondered to myself whether a sick leave policy should also cover mental illness. Because, I'm not productive in the office at the moment.

Thanks for your story.

I think society is better off if we all do a better job at taking a step back and looking for more similarities between ourselves and others we don't inherently understand rather than looking for differences.
 

monkeydelmagico

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Nov 16, 2011
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What helped me was reading a book on childhood trauma. It explained that the trauma that I went through as a kid affected my brain deeply, and set me up for... well a more difficult life. You know, people always say, oh just get over it, your mother died 10 years ago, yes she was mentally ill but she has been gone for a decade. The reality is, while the stressor itself has gone away, the damage remains and is difficult to heal. I have been to therapists, I have read books, and lately I meditate every day, in the hopes that meditation will one day be able to repair my brain.

The concept of trauma informed care has been a cornerstone of mental health work for a while now. It is very fortunate you found your path to wellness. Care to share the name of the book?
 
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