Mental Illness?

[Ordy]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/23/mcdonalds.crash.ap/index.html

The mother of the driver said he suffered from mental illness and bouts of depression. I don't know what I would do with this guy if I was there in the parking lot. Sad sad story.

 

[Genx87]

It seems like everybody has depression today doesnt it?
Are these people really depressed or are we medicating problems for the sake of medicating?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Genx87
It seems like everybody has depression today doesnt it?
Are these people really depressed or are we medicating problems for the sake of medicating?

Depression is a cop out. They should banish it as a defence along with temporary insanity. If you are capable of being able to do that, than you should be convicted as such.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Genx87
It seems like everybody has depression today doesnt it?
Are these people really depressed or are we medicating problems for the sake of medicating?

Depression is a cop out. They should banish it as a defence along with temporary insanity. If you are capable of being able to do that, than you should be convicted as such.

In most states a diagnosis of depression or of schizophrenia are not a reason for being found not guilty by reason of insanity.
In fact it is very hard to prove insanity in court.
I can't remember the name exactly (Thompson Rule or something) but the standard for insanity in many states is that you have to be determined to be crazy enough to do the crime with a police officer standing next to you.(this shows you have no understanding of the consequences of your actions). Thats a pretty high standard.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Genx87
It seems like everybody has depression today doesnt it?
Are these people really depressed or are we medicating problems for the sake of medicating?

I have a theory that the overly hectic/overly informed/overly stimulated lifestyle we lead = stress. It seems in the professional world many people are over stressed. It's not like it used to be where you get a decent job and work there until you retire. Just look at the amount of information that goes through their minds in any one day. Couple that with the internet and the constant barrage of information that the brain needs to process.

Stress/anxiety causes depression.

 

[BlancoNino]

I honestly believe that most people are depressed because they aren't living their lives to the full potential.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "depressed" people don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough excercise, and don't treat other people enthusiastically and respectively. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of depressed people are just rotten people who do bad things. For some reason, we decide to medicate all of these people.

 

[Chunkee]

well said white child

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I honestly believe that most people are depressed because they aren't living their lives to the full potential.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "depressed" people don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough excercise, and don't treat other people enthusiastically and respectively. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of depressed people are just rotten people who do bad things. For some reason, we decide to medicate all of these people.

I honestly believe that people who judge others based on their illnesses do so out of ignorance and an inner sense of self-doubt.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of these creeps don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough exercise, and don't treat others, who they perceive as weak or otherwise defective, respectfully. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of the sanctimonious pricks who behave this way are just rotten people who do bad things.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I honestly believe that most people are depressed because they aren't living their lives to the full potential.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "depressed" people don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough excercise, and don't treat other people enthusiastically and respectively. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of depressed people are just rotten people who do bad things. For some reason, we decide to medicate all of these people.

I honestly believe that people who judge others based on their illnesses do so out of ignorance and an inner sense of self-doubt.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of these creeps don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough exercise, and don't treat others, who they perceive as weak or otherwise defective, respectfully. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of the sanctimonious pricks who behave this way are just rotten people who do bad things.

I know quite a few people on prozac. Let me name some of the qualities they have...and yes, I've done my homework on them too. I ask a lot of questions.

1) They all drink
2) Some smoke pot
3) All are addicted to coffee
4) All regularly eat fast food
5) None get enough exercise

...That's just to name a few.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

I know quite a few people on prozac. Let me name some of the qualities they have...and yes, I've done my homework on them too. I ask a lot of questions.

1) They all drink
2) Some smoke pot
3) All are addicted to coffee
4) All regularly eat fast food
5) None get enough exercise

...That's just to name a few.

So, your "quite a few" = all? Let me tell you about a person I know, who takes anti-depressants after becoming seriously depressed. She is 65. She was a judge for 22 years, and is among the most respected jurists in our state. She has, in fact, been asked to testify several times before the U.S. Senate judiciary committee because of her expertise. In addition to her JD, she completed all coursework for a PhD in English literature. She is the smartest person I've ever met, and got an 800 verbal and 750 math on her SATs. She doesn't drink alcohol, other than an occasional glass of wine. She doesn't smoke pot or drink coffee. She hasn't had fast food in at least 20 years, and gets regular exercise.

I am really disgusted by the view of people like you, who assume that mental illness is indicative of some underlying character flaw. That sanctimonious view has led directly to the deaths of many, many people, who internalized this view and the notion that they were bad people just because they suffered from mental illness. How old are you anyway?

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

I know quite a few people on prozac. Let me name some of the qualities they have...and yes, I've done my homework on them too. I ask a lot of questions.

1) They all drink
2) Some smoke pot
3) All are addicted to coffee
4) All regularly eat fast food
5) None get enough exercise

...That's just to name a few.

So, your "quite a few" = all? I am really disgusted by the view of people like you, who assume that mental illness is indicative of some underlying character flaw. That sanctimonious view has led directly to the deaths of many, many people, who internalized this view and the notion that they were bad people just because they suffered from mental illness. How old are you anyway?

I'm 21. What's wrong with me basing my opinions on what I personally see with my own eyes? We're talking about simple depression here...and I'm telling people that people bring depression on themselves and medication doesn't get to the root of the core character problem.

Obviously there are people who are depressed beyond control...usually due to death of loved ones or some other traumatizing event. These usually go unmedicated though because they are very natural.

 

[fitzov]

Barnes' mother, Mary, told The Associated Press her son has battled mental illness.

I guess he lost that battle.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

I'm 21. What's wrong with me basing my opinions on what I personally see with my own eyes? We're talking about simple depression here...and I'm telling people that people bring depression on themselves and medication doesn't get to the root of the core character problem.

Obviously there are people who are depressed beyond control...usually due to death of loved ones or some other traumatizing event. These usually go unmedicated though because they are very natural.

What's wrong is that you are looking at a tiny sample and ignoring the mountains of science that contradict your arrogant, overly-simplistic theory. I agree with you, for what it's worth, that medication is only part of the cure to depression, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the notion that "people bring depression on themselves." Those words are nothing but the arrogance of youth.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Genx87
It seems like everybody has depression today doesnt it?
Are these people really depressed or are we medicating problems for the sake of medicating?

Depression is a cop out. They should banish it as a defence along with temporary insanity. If you are capable of being able to do that, than you should be convicted as such.

too funnyeee

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

I'm 21. What's wrong with me basing my opinions on what I personally see with my own eyes? We're talking about simple depression here...and I'm telling people that people bring depression on themselves and medication doesn't get to the root of the core character problem.

Obviously there are people who are depressed beyond control...usually due to death of loved ones or some other traumatizing event. These usually go unmedicated though because they are very natural.

What's wrong is that you are looking at a tiny sample and ignoring the mountains of science that contradict your arrogant, overly-simplistic theory. I agree with you, for what it's worth, that medication is only part of the cure to depression, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the notion that "people bring depression on themselves." Those words are nothing but the arrogance of youth.

Prove me wrong with your mountains of science. Show me facts stating that most depressed people on medication are treating their bodies healthily and living fulfilling lives. Since I found nothing in my research...I shall go with what I see everyday. College is full of the people I have just described.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Prove me wrong with your mountains of science. Show me facts stating that most depressed people on medication are treating their bodies healthily and living fulfilling lives. Since I found nothing in my research...I shall go with what I see everyday. College is full of the people I have just described.

Your perspective is as valid as any other anecdotal evidence - that is, it may be true as to the handful of people you know, and may be completely untrue as to anyone else (particularly since MOST college students eat bad food, drink a ton of alcohol and coffee, and smoke pot). Again, your glib presumption that the things you see apply universally is a by-product of the arrogance of youth. I miss those days in some respects, but that doesn't mean I was right about everything when I was 21 . . .

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Prove me wrong with your mountains of science. Show me facts stating that most depressed people on medication are treating their bodies healthily and living fulfilling lives. Since I found nothing in my research...I shall go with what I see everyday. College is full of the people I have just described.

Your perspective is as valid as any other anecdotal evidence - that is, it may be true as to the handful of people you know, and may be completely untrue as to anyone else (particularly since MOST college students eat bad food, drink a ton of alcohol and coffee, and smoke pot). Again, your glib presumption that the things you see apply universally is a by-product of the arrogance of youth. I miss those days in some respects, but that doesn't mean I was right about everything when I was 21 . . .

Actually, I'm quite certain that most of my classmates would agree with you. I'm sort of an outcast at college with views that don't fit in with the enlightened college sophomores. They claim that I'm ignorant and don't know as much about the world as they do. :roll:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Genx87
It seems like everybody has depression today doesnt it?
Are these people really depressed or are we medicating problems for the sake of medicating?

Depression is a cop out. They should banish it as a defence along with temporary insanity. If you are capable of being able to do that, than you should be convicted as such.

too funnyeee

Wasn't meant to be funny. I have no problem executing mentally ill or temporary insane people for crimes that require that.

 

[aidanjm]

doesn't sound like depression to me. sounds more like someone in a psychotic state.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I honestly believe that most people are depressed because they aren't living their lives to the full potential.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "depressed" people don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough excercise, and don't treat other people enthusiastically and respectively. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of depressed people are just rotten people who do bad things. For some reason, we decide to medicate all of these people.

I honestly believe that people who judge others based on their illnesses do so out of ignorance and an inner sense of self-doubt.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of these creeps don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough exercise, and don't treat others, who they perceive as weak or otherwise defective, respectfully. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of the sanctimonious pricks who behave this way are just rotten people who do bad things.

I know quite a few people on prozac. Let me name some of the qualities they have...and yes, I've done my homework on them too. I ask a lot of questions.

1) They all drink
2) Some smoke pot
3) All are addicted to coffee
4) All regularly eat fast food
5) None get enough exercise

...That's just to name a few.

Cause or effect?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Wasn't meant to be funny. I have no problem executing mentally ill or temporary insane people for crimes that require that.

How can you possibly think that.

 

[Looney]

Well, if he had a smile on his face while doing the act, then he obviously wasn't depressed.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I honestly believe that most people are depressed because they aren't living their lives to the full potential.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "depressed" people don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough excercise, and don't treat other people enthusiastically and respectively. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of depressed people are just rotten people who do bad things. For some reason, we decide to medicate all of these people.

I honestly believe that people who judge others based on their illnesses do so out of ignorance and an inner sense of self-doubt.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of these creeps don't eat a balanced diet, don't get enough exercise, and don't treat others, who they perceive as weak or otherwise defective, respectfully. I'm also willing to bet that a lot of the sanctimonious pricks who behave this way are just rotten people who do bad things.

I know quite a few people on prozac. Let me name some of the qualities they have...and yes, I've done my homework on them too. I ask a lot of questions.

1) They all drink
2) Some smoke pot
3) All are addicted to coffee
4) All regularly eat fast food
5) None get enough exercise

...That's just to name a few.

:laugh: You have just described, what, 90% of Americans?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

I'm 21. What's wrong with me basing my opinions on what I personally see with my own eyes? We're talking about simple depression here...and I'm telling people that people bring depression on themselves and medication doesn't get to the root of the core character problem.

Obviously there are people who are depressed beyond control...usually due to death of loved ones or some other traumatizing event. These usually go unmedicated though because they are very natural.

What's wrong is that you are looking at a tiny sample and ignoring the mountains of science that contradict your arrogant, overly-simplistic theory. I agree with you, for what it's worth, that medication is only part of the cure to depression, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the notion that "people bring depression on themselves." Those words are nothing but the arrogance of youth.

Prove me wrong with your mountains of science. Show me facts stating that most depressed people on medication are treating their bodies healthily and living fulfilling lives. Since I found nothing in my research...I shall go with what I see everyday. College is full of the people I have just described.

oh my...

Take some pscyh classes. google congitive therapy (you'll understand once you learn about it and won't spout such nonsense as you do). Repeat after me - cogitive therapy, this is not some new thing. Learn some while you are at it. Go google some to learn because I'm not gonna give you a phd in psych or summarize a psych101 class for you.

What most you're off-target on mental illness is a complete misunderstanding of the mind. I understand, you're young...you know it all, no harm can come to you. Chances are you WILL face depression at some point in your life.

-edit-
I catch your troll.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: RichardE
Wasn't meant to be funny. I have no problem executing mentally ill or temporary insane people for crimes that require that.

How can you possibly think that.

What addition do they add to the human race? None, infact they are a burden, a violent burden at that if they can murder someone.

If someone is mentally ill and is capable of murder, be it a permanent state, or a temporary state they are a threat to society and should be taken care of, not pampered or released on taxpayer money that is better spend elsewhere.

And don't bother with death penalty costs more than them in prison forever, I have a way to fix that too