Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

[Saint Nick]

Wow. I never knew how intense this fake cocaine was. I tried the fake THC shit once. Fuck that. Whats the point? Not only does it not work very well, it tastes shitty and I'm pretty sure I have no fucking idea where it came from.

 

[Joseph F]

There's an interesting mentality in the US that any drug that can give a euphoric high *should* be banned. It's as if the majority of people here have a moral problem with euphoria that is generated by ingestion of a chemical. In some areas, that even extends to alcohol.

I don't personally have a problem with people getting high. I have a problem with people getting addicted (which MDPV will do to a lot of people) to drugs. Also, you should read some erowid reports on this. I read one a long time ago about one guy that bought a ton of it and went on a month long binge.

 

[davmat787]

Question for everyone: Do you personally consider alcohol to be a drug?

I do. It is a mood altering depressant than can be abused and it is addictive. Anyway, just curious what the rest of you think.

 

[Saint Nick]

Of course alcohol is a drug...caffeine is a drug...acetaminophen is a drug...

 

[Kadarin]

That's because a real man earns his pleasure through the sweat of his brow, loveless, obligatory rutting with his wife and of course, his customary eleven beers after dinner. But he never drinks the last one in the 12-pack... that would make him an alcoholic.

Heh.. Yeah.

Basically, taking drugs for pleasure sidesteps the Puritan ideal of only getting pleasure from one's relationship with God. It's "cheating", in other words.

 

[vi edit]

Question for everyone: Do you personally consider alcohol to be a drug?

I do. It is a mood altering depressant than can be abused and it is addictive. Anyway, just curious what the rest of you think.

It's absolutely a drug. But it's also something that is largely measured out with it's potency clearly labeled, and has some form of quality control to it.

 

[newParadigm]

lol. Marijuana is Schedule 1, but Cocaine is level 2. Makes no sense, not that I would expect our drug policy to.

Not that I am defending 'our drug policy', but cocaine is schedule 2 because it is used in certain ophthalmological (read: eye related) solution for people allergic to the more traditional pupil dialiting drops...

 

[Eli]

It's absolutely a drug. But it's also something that is largely measured out with it's potency clearly labeled, and has some form of quality control to it.

And this is the way all drugs should be treated.

 

[highland145]

Funny you post this. My wife has been working the ED this week and actually had a couple people come in that had this in their system. It's like an even redneck'ier version of meth.

 

[Wyndru]

lol, another bath salt necro from newParadigm. You OK dude? Looking for some info are we?

 

[brblx]

adderall and ritalin are pretty close to 'meth,' honestly.

this sounds more like an antidepressant. 'norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor'

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yea, sure, Schedule 1...keeping saving people from themselves. /sarcasm.

 

[brblx]

lol, another bath salt necro from newParadigm. You OK dude? Looking for some info are we?

edit: goddammit

 

[Eli]

Yea, sure, Schedule 1...keeping saving people from themselves. /sarcasm.

The sad thing is that alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet, and probably kills more people every year than all other drugs combined. The idea that drug laws were designed to keep people from themselves is laughable at best.

 

[brblx]

The sad thing is that alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet, and probably kills more people every year than all other drugs combined. The idea that drug laws were designed to keep people from themselves is laughable at best.

if this is the 'bath salt' thing, then i can see making this drug sched I (the system is stupid, but for shits and giggles i'm gonna make arguments for the 'levels' of some stuff).

at stated, reuptake inhibitors of norepinephrine are antidepressants. dopamine, i think, too, though i think most all drugs trigger a dopamine release, no?

so you've basically got an unknown someone snorting unknown amounts of unknown prescription drugs along with other...unknowns.

should cymbalta and celexa and such be sched I? no, because they weren't being sold at the gas station to addicts.

same thing with 'spice' and marijuana. place the synthetics in sched I not just because of their unknowns (like the reasons we criminalized weed), but lack of research and consistency aside, we KNOW that there is a 'better' drug out there that is much less dangerous (pot).

i've honestly been interested in writing a book, or at least a lengthy article, about how our country's criminalization of pot has lead to this country's drug epidemic more than anything else...

and i tend to agree that alcohol is a terrible drug in comparison to most- but if you outlaw it, what will happen? an obvious combination of two things: one, alcohol-related crime, and two, use of newer and less well-known substances.

 

[Eli]

Oh, I completely agree. We tried the alcohol prohibition thing once. It's amazing we didn't learn anything from it, as we all know how that turned out. The same thing happens with all other drugs.

But yes, new synthetic drugs are a definite grey area, even in my own mind. I think all drugs should be legal but tightly regulated. It would cut down on deaths, and the tax money could be used to educate in the proper manner. Hint: DARE was not the proper manner.

The key to drug use prevention is education, not lies, propaganda and making it against the law.

It's like guns. What happens when you ban guns? Only criminals have guns.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The sad thing is that alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet, and probably kills more people every year than all other drugs combined. The idea that drug laws were designed to keep people from themselves is laughable at best.

Agreed.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Once this is scheduled something else will come along. It is funny how it's socially acceptable for me to tell people I want to go get a bit drunk after work Friday, but if I told them that I'd like to go home, watch some movies and swallow some oxycodone I'd be looked down on.

 

[lxskllr]

No drug should be illegal. Educate people, and set them free. It's up to the individual to live life as they choose.

 

[ShawnD1]

I like the news reports of people running down the street naked after using bath salts.

Bah. They were probably smoking PCP and they just won't admit it.

I have some bath salt. It says it's mostly magnesium sulphate.

 

[brblx]

No drug should be illegal. Educate people, and set them free. It's up to the individual to live life as they choose.

while i can understand the 'putting unknown shit in your body is your own problem' view, the problem is that many people just aren't smart enough to consider the consequences. mass education has certainly epicly failed us not just in anti-drug programs, but in our schools, period...

do i want to save people from themselves? ...not a lot of them. but i think it would be silly to not outlaw the most dangerous drugs.

opponents, of course, will say that the ones who progress to the 'hard stuff' deserve to be 'purged' from society. the problem is the aforementioned grey area. no one is buying heroine from the quickiemart.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

more knee jerk laws please!

 

[lxskllr]

while i can understand the 'putting unknown shit in your body is your own problem' view, the problem is that many people just aren't smart enough to consider the consequences. mass education has certainly epicly failed us not just in anti-drug programs, but in our schools, period...

do i want to save people from themselves? ...not a lot of them. but i think it would be silly to not outlaw the most dangerous drugs.

opponents, of course, will say that the ones who progress to the 'hard stuff' deserve to be 'purged' from society. the problem is the aforementioned grey area. no one is buying heroine from the quickiemart.

It isn't the government's duty to be a parent. After a certain point, it isn't even a parent's duty to be a parent. You teach to the best of your ability, and it's up to the individual to work it out. Life's dangerous. Driving, rock climbing, whitewater paddling, shooting heroin... Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It isn't anyone's place to tell people how to live.

On a practical note, how many heroin addicts would there be if people could grown opium poppies, and just smoke the resin? A caveman can grow the flowers, and I imagine smoking it is still a good buzz. That might prevent people from taking the less safe approach of injecting processed powder.

 

[SlowSpyder]

while i can understand the 'putting unknown shit in your body is your own problem' view, the problem is that many people just aren't smart enough to consider the consequences. mass education has certainly epicly failed us not just in anti-drug programs, but in our schools, period...

do i want to save people from themselves? ...not a lot of them. but i think it would be silly to not outlaw the most dangerous drugs.

opponents, of course, will say that the ones who progress to the 'hard stuff' deserve to be 'purged' from society. the problem is the aforementioned grey area. no one is buying heroine from the quickiemart.

Tobacco: Addictive, harmful, legal.
Alcohol: Addictive, harmful, legal.
Cocaine: Addictive, harmful, illegal.

See?

Why do we allow some, but not others? Often enough people aren't smart enough to consider the consequences with those legal substances, either.

All prohibition and current drug laws have done is create a huge prison population and helped to sustain a lot of violence, both here and in Mexico. What we have now isn't working, things need to be reevaluated. Legalizing and regulating, even the 'hard' drugs might be better than what we have happening now... it's hard to imagine things much worse.

 

[newParadigm]

lol, another bath salt necro from newParadigm. You OK dude? Looking for some info are we?

Not so much, this actually randomly showed up on Google. I saw another user's handle, and thought it sounded similar to a user's handle at opiophile.org (great site for both active and recovering opiate addicts). Out of interests of privacy (and because I don't think I was right about them being a user there) I am not going to disclose their handle.

Anyway, I searched 'anandtech+opiophile+[username]" on google, and 'opiophile' is apparently google synonymous for 'bluelight' and that somehow brought up these two anandtech posts regarding bath salts. It's scary how well google can read one's mind....

Anyway, if you are into opiates, or are trying to recover, or at very least introduce some harm reduction into your addiction, check out Opiophile Forums. There are separate sub-forums for most separate opiates, and then a genereal 'synthetics' forum. There is also entire sub-forums related to kicking, staying clean, and maintenance (seperate for methadone and buprenorphine/suboxone/subutex).

Anyways....that got rather off-topic.

Simple Answer: I've done the bath salts thing...its like coke, but the come-down is like 24 hours instead of 4 hours, not fun, even if you're trying to get the speedy type high. Dosed at 10pm, was up for almost 30 hours later (including the 16hrs I'd already been up for that day).