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zinfamous

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The issue is that Drugs Inc. has grown so large, that dismantling it abruptly without a suitable cash based economic structure to replace it would almost immediately create a global financial collapse. We are beyond the point of no return, we need the bad guys.

truth.

what happens to Wall Street when the cocaine fuel stream dries up?
 

GagHalfrunt

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Apr 19, 2001
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No it won't. The vast majority of the money is in cocaine. All drug laws must end. Humans have always and will always desire drugs, and will do anything to get them. Making any of them illegal will create a black market. We would be better of with cocaine factories right here.

You just pull that shit our of your ass like the rest of your blather? Most experts believe that 60% of the Mexican cartels profits are from marijuana and 40% from ALL OTHER DRUGS COMBINED. So legalizing pot across the USA would cut their income by more than half. And that's not even counting potentially ancillary benefits like people who consume illegal drugs switching to legal drugs which does happen and would further cut profits from cocaine. It's not outside the realm of possibility that 2/3rds of Mexican cartels profits would disappear if the USA legalized pot nationwide.
 

thepd7

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civil war? the cartels have already won most areas, read the article you posted.

I saw this in a movie once. They need The Rock.

Definitely.


2 Trillion US tax dollars have been spent on the war on drugs since the 70's. No ending in sight.

Oh so you see this same behavior in the US?
 

JTsyo

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Nov 18, 2007
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Why doesn't the Mexican governemnt secure their northern border so that the cartel can't move the drugs to the US easily? That would move the fight from the towns to the border where it would be easier to keep collateral damage low.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Why doesn't the Mexican governemnt secure their northern border so that the cartel can't move the drugs to the US easily? That would move the fight from the towns to the border where it would be easier to keep collateral damage low.

We can't secure that border, what makes you believe they can?
 

SphinxnihpS

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You just pull that shit our of your ass like the rest of your blather? Most experts believe that 60% of the Mexican cartels profits are from marijuana and 40% from ALL OTHER DRUGS COMBINED. So legalizing pot across the USA would cut their income by more than half. And that's not even counting potentially ancillary benefits like people who consume illegal drugs switching to legal drugs which does happen and would further cut profits from cocaine. It's not outside the realm of possibility that 2/3rds of Mexican cartels profits would disappear if the USA legalized pot nationwide.

Wrong. You seem to think that Mexican cartels stop in Mexico. Mexican Cartels start and stop right here in US prisons. They control the drug trade throughout the world. Legalize one without all the others and you will still have an illegal source of profit. Cocaine and heroin produce the highest margins due to the physical size of the drug, ease of detection, and cost of transportation. Most of the illegal weed in the US now comes from quasi-legal grows in the US. I haven't seen Mexican weed in years.

Right out of my ass... I predicted almost everything that has come to pass in a college paper I wrote in 1994. The drug trade is now the largest producer and mover of money in money in the world. No one wants to consider coke, heroin, and illegal pharma because of their "hard" label, but consider those who wish to keeps things the way they are... It is far more than Mexican politicians and officials who are on the drug dole.
 

rudder

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Legalizing Marijuana isn't going to do shit. All of you stating that it's going to fix Mexico are completely ignorant of just who and what this Cartel is. There aren't multiple cartels in Mexico anymore.

There's one. El Chapo's. The Sinaloans.

He's killed all the rest. And his business is worldwide. He runs South America, he runs Mexico and he runs the US and Canadian drug business. He's up in Europe now too.

You legalize weed?

So what. Unless you're going to legalize Meth, heroin, coke and ecstasy you're not going to cut into his profits all that much. That Cartel runs it all.

Legalizing weed isn't going to be some magic pill that makes them go away. They are too damn big for that. That boat sailed a decade ago.

This is what I was thinking. Even if the U.S. legalized drugs like heroin... it would be strictly controlled for both tax purposes and making sure people do not overdose. This would make black market heroin which would likely be cheaper and stronger very attractive.

The number of drug users in the U.S. would have to remain neutral and have if we assume most would abide by the U.S. law... maybe the impact of the cartels would be diminished. But I do not see them giving up power and money so easily.
 

SphinxnihpS

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This is what I was thinking. Even if the U.S. legalized drugs like heroin... it would be strictly controlled for both tax purposes and making sure people do not overdose. This would make black market heroin which would likely be cheaper and stronger very attractive.

The number of drug users in the U.S. would have to remain neutral and have if we assume most would abide by the U.S. law... maybe the impact of the cartels would be diminished. But I do not see them giving up power and money so easily.

Half-measures...
 

sourceninja

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We can't secure that border, what makes you believe they can?

You mean we don't want to secure the border. If we truly wanted to, we could secure the border.

Instead we add a facade of security, just like airlines.

You give the US military rights to fire on anyone illegally crossing the border with drones and missiles and you will secure the border.
 
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Legalizing Marijuana isn't going to do shit. All of you stating that it's going to fix Mexico are completely ignorant of just who and what this Cartel is. There aren't multiple cartels in Mexico anymore.

There's one. El Chapo's. The Sinaloans.

He's killed all the rest. And his business is worldwide. He runs South America, he runs Mexico and he runs the US and Canadian drug business. He's up in Europe now too.

You legalize weed?

So what. Unless you're going to legalize Meth, heroin, coke and ecstasy you're not going to cut into his profits all that much. That Cartel runs it all.

Legalizing weed isn't going to be some magic pill that makes them go away. They are too damn big for that. That boat sailed a decade ago.

so it sounds like you're suggesting that we nuke mexico. from orbit.
 
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Right out of my ass... I predicted almost everything that has come to pass in a college paper I wrote in 1994. The drug trade is now the largest producer and mover of money in money in the world. No one wants to consider coke, heroin, and illegal pharma because of their "hard" label, but consider those who wish to keeps things the way they are... It is far more than Mexican politicians and officials who are on the drug dole.

haha, you're old.
 

Ns1

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can't even get a car wash in MX

(CNN) -- Fifteen people were killed Wednesday at a carwash in the western Mexican state of Nayarit, the state attorney general's office told CNNMexico.com.

The attack happened at a business called the Gamboa carwash in the capital, Tepic, and is presumed to be the work of a drug cartel, the state-run Notimex news agency reported, citing local police.

A man had been killed the night before in the same area, police said.

Initial reports by investigators said witnesses heard the gunfire Wednesday morning, only two blocks away from the offices of the federal police, Notimex reported. The federal police responded to the scene to find 15 people dead, including clients and employees of the carwash, the news agency said.

Investigators found hundreds of shell casings from assault rifles.

The mass slaying resulted in the closure of nearby businesses and schools.
 
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mexico sounds like a wonderful country.
and to think that their president came to our country to lecture us on our policies.
 

DrunkenSano

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Start shooting cruise missiles at their drug plantations, go right for the source. When you make a huge dent in their production, they have less and less money to fund their private armies.
 

Fritzo

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Jan 3, 2001
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I could see US Special Forces going over there and kicking some ass if the boarder stuff in Texas doesn't get cleaned up. This reminds me of those old westerns where they would need a new sherriff every 3 days.
 

KMFJD

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Aug 11, 2005
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Start shooting cruise missiles at their drug plantations, go right for the source. When you make a huge dent in their production, they have less and less money to fund their private armies.

lollololol


I think we have tried that since the 80's in South America....without any success
 

brainhulk

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Sep 14, 2007
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they can introduce killer grasshoppers that devour marijuana, poppy, and cocoa plants
 

sdifox

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Sep 30, 2005
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No wonder the Mexican president was upset at the thought of CA legalizing weed; it dipped into the money getting stuffed into his pockets by the cartels.


CBC Radio this morning said Legalisation of pot in California will impact BC's main export and has a huge impact on BC's economy. Apparently a lot of small town businesses are surviving though pot export :biggrin:
 

feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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I loved Los Ramones.

Although Johnny was a bit creepy, still a great musician.

R.I.P.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Wrong. You seem to think that Mexican cartels stop in Mexico. Mexican Cartels start and stop right here in US prisons. They control the drug trade throughout the world. Legalize one without all the others and you will still have an illegal source of profit. Cocaine and heroin produce the highest margins due to the physical size of the drug, ease of detection, and cost of transportation. Most of the illegal weed in the US now comes from quasi-legal grows in the US. I haven't seen Mexican weed in years.

Right out of my ass... I predicted almost everything that has come to pass in a college paper I wrote in 1994. The drug trade is now the largest producer and mover of money in money in the world. No one wants to consider coke, heroin, and illegal pharma because of their "hard" label, but consider those who wish to keeps things the way they are... It is far more than Mexican politicians and officials who are on the drug dole.

ROFL!! You're a complete idiot. WTF cares what you wrote in a lameass college paper 16 years ago? You were wrong then and you are wrong now. You said, and I quote "the vast majority of the money is in cocaine." That's wrong Zippy. What part of this confuses you? 60% of the cartels profits are pot, 40% EVERYTHING ELSE. Please explain the level of brain damage necessary to get you to believe that less than 40% is a "vast majority". Let me explain this to you in simple, single-syllable words so that you can understand it: The drug dudes make MUCH more cash off pot than off coke. With no pot sold they make MUCH less cash. The End. Got it?
 

brainhulk

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imo chinese have the mexicans beat-they just counterfeit whatever is the hot selling item, have kids make them in sweatshops, then sell it on the interwebs
 
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