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Infohawk

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Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Uh, actually the white dude was the main character in the movie and in many ways was the hero.

Right, and he acted like people don't get upset by reverse discrimination. People do.
 

Rainsford

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Jmman
I am sorry that this offends some people, but I also am glad that some people out there still have the cajones to not be pressured by the PC crowd. Like one political commentator said, the right to not be offended is nowhere in the constitution.....

You do realize that we're talking about Mexico right? The US Constitution doesn't apply there and its irrelevant.

Do you think racism is wrong?


The constitution doesn't apply in Mexico?? OK, thanks for informing me of that. Anyway, my general point in my earlier post is that the PC movement, if not stopped, will eventually mean that the only way to communicate without offending "someone" will be freakin hand signals, and eventually somebody who was slapped as a child will be offended by that.

Well yes, PC might become blown out of proportion to the point where it is impossible to say anything for fear of offending people. But at the same time, you don't fight it by going way too far the other way and saying there is nothing wrong with racism. You solve this issue by being intelligent, looking for the best middle ground, and not jumping on any extremes. Your general point wasn't that PC might end up going too far, it was that "standing up to PC" can be done through racism. You couldn't be any more wrong. You don't fight religious fundies by burning Christians at the stake, do you?
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jmman
I am sorry that this offends some people, but I also am glad that some people out there still have the cajones to not be pressured by the PC crowd. Like one political commentator said, the right to not be offended is nowhere in the constitution.....
So you wouldn't mind if a white person was portrayed in an offensive manner?

You mean like "White men can't Jump"...............already happend. Did'nt mind.. funny movie. I could just imagine the outrage if they made a movie called "Black men can't think"

A double standard certianly exists.
Uh, actually the white dude was the main character in the movie and in many ways was the hero.

So what? The "black men can't think" movie could be about baseball about Reggie Jackson who has an IQ over 190.. title still would'nt fly would it? Hence double standard
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Sadly I'm quite sure everyone who has replied to this thread thus far is white. I'd like to hear some other people.

Sorry, you're wrong.

And with that.. he signs off. :laugh:
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jmman
I am sorry that this offends some people, but I also am glad that some people out there still have the cajones to not be pressured by the PC crowd. Like one political commentator said, the right to not be offended is nowhere in the constitution.....
So you wouldn't mind if a white person was portrayed in an offensive manner?

You mean like "White men can't Jump"...............already happend. Did'nt mind.. funny movie. I could just imagine the outrage if they made a movie called "Black men can't think"

A double standard certianly exists.
Uh, actually the white dude was the main character in the movie and in many ways was the hero.

So what? The "black men can't think" movie could be about baseball about Reggie Jackson who has an IQ over 190.. title still would'nt fly would it? Hence double standard

You act like there is some "standards body" that comes up with these things. "White men can't jump" is not offensive because most white people don't find it offensive, even though it's targetted at them. The idea that black people are much better at sports than white people is a well used comedy device, one that most white people (and black people) find pretty funny. "Black men can't think", on the other hand, taps into the stereotype from the bad old days that black people were genetically dumber than white people, and thus shouldn't be given the same rights and freedoms that white people had. Most black people would probably find that offensive, and rightly so IMHO.

So what you're really saying is that black people shouldn't be offended by something like that because white people aren't. I don't know about you, but I don't feel too comfortable telling someone what they should and shouldn't be offended by like that, especially when I can see where they are coming from.

Even with the same group, there are certain jokes that are funny while other ones aren't. White people being bad at sports is not the same level as black people being dumb. It's like making Irish jokes. Jokes about how much they drink are pretty funny to me, and most Irish people I've met would agree. Jokes about British oppression probably are less funny, even though the target group is the same.
 

dahunan

Lifer
Jan 10, 2002
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Jokes about hannukuh and yarmaluke's are more acceptable than jokes about the holocaust.. just a guess....
 

chcarnage

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Has anyone here read this comic? I think it's not possible to estimate the racism without knowing the comics (I didn't read it either). All I've found is this encyclopedia entry.

Other than dahunan's it isn't my opinion that this character is drawn in a disrespecting (monkey-like) manner. In many funnies, characters are drawn out of proportion.

To be racist by my standard, the comic would have to not only portray the racial and social unequalities, but glorify them in some way.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: chcarnage
Has anyone here read this comic? I think it's not possible to estimate the racism without knowing the comics (I didn't read it either). All I've found is this encyclopedia entry.

Other than dahunan's it isn't my opinion that this character is drawn in a disrespecting (monkey-like) manner. In many funnies, characters are drawn out of proportion.

To be racist by my standard, the comic would have to not only portray the racial and social unequalities, but glorify them in some way.

The article mentions how he is made fun of by whites and is always goofy. It's not just comic sillyness, it's racial sillyness.
 

maluckey

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I'm almost with you Infohawk, but in my POV there are no tru races as far as people go except to trace your ancestors.

In my opinion, racism can only exist so long as you percieve/see a difference in people. The mere protecting or disparaging of a race is racist. The very idea of race as a factor in life activities other than from a historical viewpoint, to me is racist.


 

0roo0roo

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joy thatis mexico

Posted on Sun, Jun. 26, 2005

Tourists to Mexico cautioned

CRIMES BEFALL AMERICANS WHO LET DOWN GUARD

By Laurence Iliff

Dallas Morning News

CANCÚN, Mexico -- U.S. authorities are warning Americans away from Mexican border areas such as Nuevo Laredo because of drug violence, but the average tourist may face more danger on a Cancún beach, on the Pacific Coast, or in culturally rich Mexico City.

In June alone, two 18-year-old Americans were raped in separate incidents in Cancún, in what some activists call an epidemic that is being swept under the rug by U.S. and Mexican authorities. One victim was from Houston and her attacker was a hotel security guard.

On the other side of Mexico, two Americans, a 22-year-old man from Houston and a 16-year-old girl from Miami, were killed during a highway robbery last fall in Guerrero. The state is home to the Acapulco and Ixtapa resorts.

In the Mexico City airport, criminal gangs target Americans who have exchanged currency or withdrawn money from ATMs, following them into the city to rob them, U.S. officials say.

Police complicity is common in crimes that run from simple extortion to ``express'' kidnappings for the purpose of emptying ATM and credit cards.

``In several cases, tourists have reported that men in uniforms perpetrated the crime, stopping vehicles and seeking money, or assaulting and robbing tourists walking late at night,'' says the U.S. State Department's consular information sheet for Mexico.

While dozens of Americans have gone missing in areas along the Texas-Mexico border, authorities on both sides say the vast majority were probably involved in the drug trade.

So how safe is Mexico for Americans? Probably as safe as anywhere in the United States, officials say, but visitors often let down their guard and do things they wouldn't do at home. Especially youths, who find Mexico's 18-year-old drinking age reason enough to party.

``Cancún is one of the safest places in Mexico and one of the safest places in the world,'' said Mayor Francisco Alor Quezada. ``But it is also not the exception to the fact that bad things happen everywhere.''

Parents, he said, should tell their children: ``You can't come here to do things that would be illegal in the United States. You should behave here like you do in your own country, especially for your own safety.''

The No. 1 problem for Americans, especially young ones, in such places as Cancún, Acapulco and Puerto Vallarta is too much alcohol, U.S. and Mexican authorities say.

Many victims of robbery and rape in beach areas are blind drunk and trying to stumble to a hotel whose name they may not remember. Some locals are waiting for such victims.

Americans under the influence of alcohol often commit crimes themselves, including rape, seeming to forget that not only does Mexico have laws, but that some of them are more severe than in the United States.

During Acapulco's increasingly popular spring break period, an overenthusiastic college student stole a Corona beer truck and crashed it. He was jailed until he came up with the funds to pay for the damage.

``They relax their discipline and do illegal things,'' said Jorge Muñoz, the attorney general for tourism in Guerrero, a special post to help visitors interact with the legal system.

Muñoz said he was not familiar with a local media report that Acapulco police forced an American tourist to withdraw money using his ATM and credit cards. The case against the police was dropped because the victim could not return to testify.

Muñoz said police have no right to harass tourists and may not ask visitors randomly for identification, a typical entree into seeking a bribe.

Acapulco tourism officials said last year's killings occurred far from the resort area.

With the exception of Mexico City, where crime has risen sharply over the past 10 years, Mexico probably is no more dangerous than in the past, many authorities say.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED

Detailed information on Mexico dangers and key U.S. State Department contacts can be found at www.travel.state.gov.http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/11990180.htm
 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
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Publisher Manelick De la Parra told the government news agency Notimex that the character would be sort of a goodwill ambassador on Mexican letters and postcards. "It seems nice if Memin can travel all over the world, spreading good news," de la Parra said, calling him "so charming, so affectionate, so wonderful, generous and friendly."

LOL
 

crooked22

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I see nothing offensive... I grew up watching those cartoons among friends and relatives. Some of them black. I took my wife down to where I grew up and one thing she was so amazed was the racial composition and interactions. While some people, as I pointed out to her, would not wanted their daughters to date a man because he was black, it never (at least in my 25 years of life) was said that black were stupid, inferior, or subhuman in anyways, and if someone did say it, that would have been racist, and pretty much everyone would have said something. I guess that goes both ways. I have friends who are black, and racial jokes abound left and right in those circles. No one has ever said "stop that, you are insulting me"... Never was one taken as an insult.

But then again, none of them considered themselves AFRICAN-Puertoricans... Everyone was just a "Puertorro" like everyone else. "El Negro" was one of my best friend in high school, and his skin color was "negrito" according to him. In my life, I have met Ernie "El Negro, and William "El Negro"... I think they also were the darkest people in the neighborhood as well. Im sure Ive had many other "negros" (not Nee-grow) friends and girlfriends around, but to be honest, I wasnt really paying attention to their color. Hell, my grandma calls my grandpa "Mi negro" (My black).

I am sure that there are no AFRICAN-Mexican in Mexico... Everyone from there is probably Mexican and damn proud of that. Anyone else just want to start a riot.

The carachaters looks somewhat (from what I remember) like Elmer Fudd, but black and exagerated lighter lips. He is sweet and charming, and also fun. Unlike Bugs Bunny who was hitting others with hammers and being retarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memin <---pictures and info
 

Proletariat

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Dec 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Sadly I'm quite sure everyone who has replied to this thread thus far is white. I'd like to hear some other people.

Sorry, you're wrong.

And with that.. he signs off. :laugh:
LOL, you really got something out for me don't you gun boy?

Its sort-of hard to tell race when a dudes name is "CanOWorms". Nothing to differentiate him. That being said I think hes the only minority here.

 
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Sadly I'm quite sure everyone who has replied to this thread thus far is white. I'd like to hear some other people.

Sorry, you're wrong.

And with that.. he signs off. :laugh:
LOL, you really got something out for me don't you gun boy?

Its sort-of hard to tell race when a dudes name is "CanOWorms". Nothing to differentiate him. That being said I think hes the only minority here.

Wow, the FanBoy didn't even read the thread. What a surprise. :roll:

Yeah, there's only one minority in the entire thread in a forum with an overall heavy minority representation. Riiiighhht.... :laugh:
 

KevinH

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Nov 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Sadly I'm quite sure everyone who has replied to this thread thus far is white. I'd like to hear some other people.

Sorry, you're wrong.

And with that.. he signs off. :laugh:
LOL, you really got something out for me don't you gun boy?

Its sort-of hard to tell race when a dudes name is "CanOWorms". Nothing to differentiate him. That being said I think hes the only minority here.

No he's not. Stop assuming man it's embaressing.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Proletariat

LOL, you really got something out for me don't you gun boy?

Its sort-of hard to tell race when a dudes name is "CanOWorms". Nothing to differentiate him. That being said I think hes the only minority here.

Read the thread, at least someone else posted. This entire forum has many minorities.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

LOL, you really got something out for me don't you gun boy?

Its sort-of hard to tell race when a dudes name is "CanOWorms". Nothing to differentiate him. That being said I think hes the only minority here.

Read the thread, at least someone else posted. This entire forum has many minorities.

Bah - but that doesn't let him feel like a Champion of the People, defeating injustice for those who need his help, now does it?


Now, do I have it out for you, Pro? You bet I do. You and every other hypocritical poser (hmm.. is that a typo? Nah, I'll just leave it.) who contributes nothing but gross over-generalizations about issues and people in some sort of holier-than-thou attitude.

So you have three choices - keep whining about your perceived "persecution" :roll: , simply make better posts, or climb down off your cross and use it to build a bridge so you can just get the fvck over it. :thumbsup:
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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If anyone is interested in the ethnic, national, and religious make up of P&N: check out my poll:

P&N Demographics

Funny how some people think P&N is all white and how others think it is mostly muslim and unamerican (I'd have to say the all-white view is more accurate).
 

KevinH

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Nov 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
If anyone is interested in the ethnic, national, and religious make up of P&N: check out my poll:

P&N Demographics

Funny how some people think P&N is all white and how others think it is mostly muslim and unamerican (I'd have to say the all-white view is more accurate).

Wow, I knew there was a lot of Athetist's and Agnostics here but I never knew that many Obviously it's a small sampling of the people that visit here but it gives you the general idea. Cool poll. What's interesting is the 75% white is pretty much in line with the 77% white population I found from the US census site (of course our brother's from other countries skew the results somewhat).
 

Zebo

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IME the only thing racist is discrimmination based on sex/race/ethnicity/religion. I don't see any discrimination going on here therefore it can't be racist. Racism today has been cheapend down to offending someone which is just that, offensive, not racist.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Zebo
IME the only thing racist is discrimmination based on sex/race/ethnicity/religion. I don't see any discrimination going on here therefore it can't be racist.

First of all, it is odd that you think gender discrimination or religious discrimination to be racism. Race is the root of the word for a reason.

Would you call something that promotes discrimination based on race racism?
 
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