Mexico

[Zebo]

Would you call something that promotes discrimination based on race racism?

What do you mean by promotes discimination? If anything silly groups like the Klan have had the opposite effect.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So you wouldn't mind if a white person was portrayed in an offensive manner?

I wouldnt.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Would you call something that promotes discrimination based on race racism?

What do you mean by promotes discimination? If anything silly groups like the Klan have had the opposite effect.

In this case, "promotes dicrimination" means something that on the whole makes people think in racist ways...

 

[Zebo]

What's think in racist ways mean? And whats wrong with that? How can thoughts hurt anyone? Cant unless you're a pussy. Remeber sticks and stones? Nope only discrimmination actually injures a party and is evil IMO. Until then it's all good clean fun. white jokes, black jokes, religion jokes whatever stereotypes you decide to have fun with.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Zebo
What's think in rascist ways mean? And whats wrong with that? How can thoughts hurt anyone? Cant unless you're a pussy. Remeber sticks and stones? Nope only discrimmination actually injures a party and is evil IMO. Until then it's all good clean fun. white jokes, black jokes, religion jokes whatever stereotypes you decide to have fun with.

Fine, think of it as promoting racist behavior then...

Right, discrimination injures people. Promoting racist behavior leads to discrimination. Putting a racist stamp onto the market makes it seem okay to have racial stereotypes and to discriminate. Are the other four stamps in the series of racial stereotypes too?

You seem to think ethnic stereotypes are funny. I think they're primarily useless and lame. In another thread you have someone blabbing about arabs growing facial hair (not even recognizing Iranians aren't arabs). This was a waste of everyone's time. It's not helpful.

 

[Zebo]

No my point is everyone with a chip on thier shoulder or a guilty concence can find something racist and they need to get over themselves and concentrate on the real issues or they'll end up get laughed at on all their greviences. Cry wolf syndrome. Even legit ones like real discrimination. AA has some real good uses but as it is now so many people feel it's just more whining that should be done away with, it may be very soon.

I personally feel you can't be a racist unless you got the power to be. e.g. offering a job, offering a rental, serving food etc.. And that's where we should concentrate our efforts, real discrimmination which exists today. Not silly images, comedic vechicles, child comics, and double standards and thought police.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Zebo
No my point is everyone with a chip on thier shoulder or a guilty concence can find something racist and they need to get over themselves and concentrate on the real issues or they'll end up get laughed at on all their greviences. Cry wolf syndrome. Even legit ones like real discrimination. AA has some real good uses but as it is now so many people feel it's just more whining that should be done away with, it may be very soon.

I personally feel you can't be a racist unless you got the power to be. e.g. offering a job, offering a rental, serving food etc.. And that's where we should concentrate our efforts, real discrimmination which exists today. Not silly images, comedic vechicles, child comics, and double standards and thought police.

It sounds like you want to deal with the symptoms and not with the cause of the problems. Nobody is saying PC can't go too far. But this is not one of those cases. You can't use the fact that PC can go too far to ignore every complaint. Take each complaint on a case-by-case basis. Good policy involves getting at the root of problems and in this case it means not printing absurd stamps.

 

[HwK2]

You people ever stop to consider that maybe a stamp is just a stamp. There seem to be an awful lot of people with an hyper-sensetivity to things they feel might offend other people.

The cartoon network for example will not play Speedy Gonzalez here in the US because it depictes a negative stereotype of Mexicans , yet in Latin America, ole Speedy is very popular.

Is Archie Bunker an exaggeration? Fred Sanford?

My point is there is one helluva lot more to worry about than a stamp of a popular CARTOON issued in another country.

Lighten up and find a real cause

 

[HwK2]

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So you wouldn't mind if a white person was portrayed in an offensive manner?

I wouldnt.

I think we are every day

 

[crooked22]

"White man" can be portrayed offensively...

For one reason only....

When you got "supremacy" and run over more than 50 nations (vanishing some along the way), and have a history of slaving people due to race (and later burning them in crosses), and have a history of imperialism (and meddling heavyly in other countries affairs--screw them all, lets make a profit), you pretty much lose all right to complain. Not a written law, but thats how resentment works.

 

[piasabird]

Who cares what is on the stamps in Mexico? Do you live in Mexico?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Proletariat

LOL, you really got something out for me don't you gun boy?

Its sort-of hard to tell race when a dudes name is "CanOWorms". Nothing to differentiate him. That being said I think hes the only minority here.

Read the thread, at least someone else posted. This entire forum has many minorities.

Bah - but that doesn't let him feel like a Champion of the People, defeating injustice for those who need his help, now does it?


Now, do I have it out for you, Pro? You bet I do. You and every other hypocritical poser (hmm.. is that a typo? Nah, I'll just leave it.) who contributes nothing but gross over-generalizations about issues and people in some sort of holier-than-thou attitude.

So you have three choices - keep whining about your perceived "persecution" :roll: , simply make better posts, or climb down off your cross and use it to build a bridge so you can just get the fvck over it. :thumbsup:

Hypocritical poser? Honestly what do you know about me? You really have some serious problems. Everything you've said about me is gross generalizations about people who like Che Guevera. I don't see how you have any room to talk.

As for my percieved persecution... I don't know where you got this at all. You seem to be really angry. Maybe some yoga will help you out.

And I don't really see your posts adding anything to this forum except upping its redneck value.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Who cares what is on the stamps in Mexico? Do you live in Mexico?

Do you realize this logic could be applied to most comments in P&N that don't talk about the USA?

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Jmman

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Jmman
I am sorry that this offends some people, but I also am glad that some people out there still have the cajones to not be pressured by the PC crowd. Like one political commentator said, the right to not be offended is nowhere in the constitution.....

You do realize that we're talking about Mexico right? The US Constitution doesn't apply there and its irrelevant.

Do you think racism is wrong?

The constitution doesn't apply in Mexico?? OK, thanks for informing me of that. Anyway, my general point in my earlier post is that the PC movement, if not stopped, will eventually mean that the only way to communicate without offending "someone" will be freakin hand signals, and eventually somebody who was slapped as a child will be offended by that.

You might make the wrong hand signal and have it misinterpreted by the cryps to mean you were flashing the bloods sign and get capped.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Uh, actually the white dude was the main character in the movie and in many ways was the hero.

Right, and he acted like people don't get upset by reverse discrimination. People do.

LOL! Yet another person who thinks there is such a thing as "reverse discrimination."

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
LOL! Yet another person who thinks there is such a thing as "reverse discrimination."

Reverse discrimination can also just be called discrimination. Whites can be discriminated against. Do you disagree with this?

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ahurtt
LOL! Yet another person who thinks there is such a thing as "reverse discrimination."

Reverse discrimination can also just be called discrimination. Whites can be discriminated against. Do you disagree with this?

Nope, I don't disagree with that one bit. "Reverse discrimination" is a misnomer. It is just plain "discrimination" no matter who is doing the discriminating. My point was that there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination". . .unless maybe you put your car in reverse and back over somebody because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Nope, I don't disagree with that one bit. "Reverse discrimination" is a misnomer. It is just plain "discrimination" no matter who is doing the discriminating. My point was that there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination". . .unless maybe you put your car in reverse and back over somebody because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity.

Semantics. It's a useful term to distinguish between various forms of discrimination. Wikipedia..

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Nope, I don't disagree with that one bit. "Reverse discrimination" is a misnomer. It is just plain "discrimination" no matter who is doing the discriminating. My point was that there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination". . .unless maybe you put your car in reverse and back over somebody because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity.

Semantics. It's a useful term to distinguish between various forms of discrimination. Wikipedia..

Yeah I know but to me its along the same lines as when people use the word "irregardless." It's one of those words or terms which doesn't really make sense when you think about it but which people just fall into the habbit of using "irregardlessly".

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Yeah I know but to me its along the same lines as when people use the word "irregardless." It's one of those words or terms which doesn't really make sense when you think about it but which people just fall into the habbit of using "irregardlessly".

The two are not similar. Irregardless is widely viewed as a bastardization of irrespective and regardless and is unecessary since the word regardless exists. Reverse discrimination is a useful term that doesn't really have another synonym. Look at dictionary.com's definitions.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I know not all Mexicans are racist and that it's not right to discriminate against Mexicans in the US, but it's hard to sympathize with them when they do crap like this.

In my experience a lot of immigrant populations are just as racist as American populations.

In my experience no group from anywhere in the world or any walk of life is free from racism. Only when the definition becomes the size of a book is any group "suddenly" found to be devoid of racism. Excluding liberals of course. They are never racist. ROFL

 

[HwK2]

Originally posted by: crooked22
"White man" can be portrayed offensively...

For one reason only....

When you got "supremacy" and run over more than 50 nations (vanishing some along the way), and have a history of slaving people due to race (and later burning them in crosses), and have a history of imperialism (and meddling heavyly in other countries affairs--screw them all, lets make a profit), you pretty much lose all right to complain. Not a written law, but thats how resentment works.

I think it possible that you have never done any reading about the history of slavery world wide. Basically speaking The trans atlantic salve (europeaon buying slaves from africans and arabs and send them to The US (5%) and the rest of North South and Central America lasted for about 300years. The Arab slave trade across africa has been going on for 14 centuries.

So you before you go off half cocked and blame whitey for all the wrongs in the world , get your history from somewhere other than the last Ludicris CD.

I am in no way condeming slavery , just the ignorance to its true scope.

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apparantly not an exclusivley white club

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: HwK2

I think it possible that you have never done any reading about the history of slavery world wide. Basically speaking The trans atlantic salve (europeaon buying slaves from africans and arabs and send them to The US (5%) and the rest of North South and Central America lasted for about 300years. The Arab slave trade across africa has been going on for 14 centuries.

So you before you go off half cocked and blame whitey for all the wrongs in the world , get your history from somewhere other than the last Ludicris CD.

I am in no way condeming slavery , just the ignorance to its true scope.

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link 2
Here is a link of who all has been enslaved and by who


apparantly not an exclusivley white club

? I don't think the poster said only whites enslaved people. It remains that whites did enslave people. Other people engaging in slavery doesn't somehow make it okay for whites to have done it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Nope, I don't disagree with that one bit. "Reverse discrimination" is a misnomer. It is just plain "discrimination" no matter who is doing the discriminating. My point was that there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination". . .unless maybe you put your car in reverse and back over somebody because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity.

Semantics. It's a useful term to distinguish between various forms of discrimination. Wikipedia..

Yeah I know but to me its along the same lines as when people use the word "irregardless." It's one of those words or terms which doesn't really make sense when you think about it but which people just fall into the habbit of using "irregardlessly".

Umm..
Irregardless is a word. http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=Irregardless

Added in 2004. Sorry Grammar nazis english is an evolving launguage

 

[crooked22]

Originally posted by: HwK2

Originally posted by: crooked22
"White man" can be portrayed offensively...

For one reason only....

When you got "supremacy" and run over more than 50 nations (vanishing some along the way), and have a history of slaving people due to race (and later burning them in crosses), and have a history of imperialism (and meddling heavyly in other countries affairs--screw them all, lets make a profit), you pretty much lose all right to complain. Not a written law, but thats how resentment works.

I think it possible that you have never done any reading about the history of slavery world wide. Basically speaking The trans atlantic salve (europeaon buying slaves from africans and arabs and send them to The US (5%) and the rest of North South and Central America lasted for about 300years. The Arab slave trade across africa has been going on for 14 centuries.

So you before you go off half cocked and blame whitey for all the wrongs in the world , get your history from somewhere other than the last Ludicris CD.

I am in no way condeming slavery , just the ignorance to its true scope.

link 1

T

link 2
Here is a link of who all has been enslaved and by who


apparantly not an exclusivley white club

hey, if its make you smarter to call people you dont know ignorant, go ahead, but i am not. I come from a place where "whitey" came and raped the natives, and when they got DONE (as in 100%) with them, they went and brought blacks in. At the same time they were doing the SAME to the southern hemisphere, and were attempting the same in other parts. Later on... another "whitey" nation (like you so like to believe I call them) came, kicked the ass out of whitey #1, and meddled in policies that were detrimental to the people in there basically driving them to misery and thirld world country status. All the while, they imposed policies that grounded them to poverty so that their own industries could flourish and give them the edge that they posess today. At the last minute (about 50 years ago) they gave them for the first time some "rights" and to this day keep them under their control in an attempt to have future generations assimilate their way of living. In essence, to colonize them (like they did in other place them). Is working...

To this day, they still attempt to impose their form over others, and do it all in the same damned name of freedom and god. ALL WHITES (whitey #1, #2, and the others).

Whether muslims did that in africa, or greeks did that to spartans is not my concern. ALL I KNOW IS THAT WHITEY (remember, you said that) FROM ALL OVER EUROPE, CAME AND RAPED A WHOLE HEMISPHERE... That was my point.

Freedom?