Miami police shoot unarmed man

[Fritzo]

I'm usually pro-cop, because we get a skewed vision of the general police population due to media coverage focusing on bad apples, but wow...there's no defending that. It almost makes the case for disarming police and only allowing defensive weapons (tasers, gas, etc).

 

[Oyeve]

This all originated with the 911 caller mistaking a truck for a gun. Can they be charged with anything? Obviously there was no gun...

The police actions are inexcusable. I'm normally on the side of the police, but this is just unreal.

I smell a 6 maybe 7 figure settlement in the therapists future.

And no charges for the cops. Rinse, repeat.

 

[Jaskalas]

When is the right going to admit that there is a problem here?

Police violence is a problem, against all races. I've been saying it for years.

 

[Ns1]

The basic defense is incompentence and it really doesn't make sense right. Its disgustingly laughable in a way

1) We thought the harmless autisim guy sitting quietly on the curb was a threat so we shot to kill
2) We shot the other guy who was laying flat on his back accidently whilst tying to headshot the allegedly dangerous autism guy who's playing with a truck
3) After realizing we shot the wrong guy in the leg in a non-lifethreatening fashion and didn't headshot the guy we really wanted, we then calmly approached the guy we thought needed to be killed via headshot and put him in cuffs.

Its clear this was a gross error of momentous proportions by the responding officers, one that is saved from escalation by their own olympian levels of incompetence.

best summary yet.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

This all originated with the 911 caller mistaking a truck for a gun. Can they be charged with anything? Obviously there was no gun...

Charging the person that called 911 because they were mistaken and the Police ended up shooting someone? Seems a bit unfair.


Also you'll notice the victim didn't die. Look at that, comply with the orders of police and you don't get killed!

 

[SSSnail]

Charging the person that called 911 because they were mistaken and the Police ended up shooting someone? Seems a bit unfair.


Also you'll notice the victim didn't die. Look at that, comply with the orders of police and you don't get killed!

That's because the police sucks at shooting, not because he didn't shoot the guy for complying.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Here's the problem the Police Union has said he accidentally fired....twice....then hand cuffed the dude.

 

[CitizenKain]

Cops have wrongfully killed or wrongfully abused all sorts of people. Yet one demographic has recently set out to kill cops. You're saying blacks are justified from past transgressions? I can't really take anything you say seriously when you want to see all pigs die in front of their kids. Your words.

It's funny that you talk about hidden words, yet put one at the end of BLM. Yes black lives matter, all lives do. Police violence and wrong doing against all people needs stop as much as humanly possible. Honest mistakes are made, but those that are purposely made need to stop, and if continued, those that do need to be held accountable.

Is this the same demographic that once pointed guns at federal officers while hiding behind children?

I'm not saying its justified, I'm saying its not surprising. Guess what, shit on a group of people a lot and eventually the angry ones in there will lash out. Plus when they see that as a group, police aren't held accountable. So why expect that anything will improve? Cop murders a child in a park, walks away with not even a token handslap. That isn't someone making a mistake, that is a purposeful reminder to black people that their lives aren't worth anything.

Charging the person that called 911 because they were mistaken and the Police ended up shooting someone? Seems a bit unfair.


Also you'll notice the victim didn't die. Look at that, comply with the orders of police and you don't get killed!

If you aren't smart enough to read the article, save everyone the trouble of reading your drivel.

 

[Strk]

Charging the person that called 911 because they were mistaken and the Police ended up shooting someone? Seems a bit unfair.


Also you'll notice the victim didn't die. Look at that, comply with the orders of police and you don't get killed!

The lack of a death is a result of bad aim. The cop even admitted to trying to kill the autistic guy.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Now the Police Union says the officer's were setting up to negotiate with them. Really a guy with autism & a toy truck plus his social worker need negotiators?

 

[brycejones]

Now the Police Union says the officer's were setting up to negotiate with them. Really a guy with autism & a toy truck plus his social worker need negotiators?

Yeah this whole situation is just total and complete incompetence. Instead of trying to understand what was actually happening they built a scenario in their own heads and ran with it despite evidence. This is one of those times pretty much everyone involved needs to get the boot off the force.

 

[Darwin333]

Why I do find the shooting video disturbing and in-excusable.

This really floors me. After the shooting it should have been very clear to anyone involved that they shot a innocent person and the other individual was mentally disabled. So what do the Cops do? They handcuff the man they just shot and left him on the hot pavement without first aid for 20-minutes until Fire&Rescue responded to treat him, wtf? What is wrong with these people? He is real lucky the wound wasn't more serious because he would have bleed out.

Per the cops own words it's actually much worse than that. He shot a guy whose life he claims he was employing deadly force in order to save and/or protect. In his own words he thought the guy he shot was innocent before he fired his weapon and per the statement issued nothing happened after the shooting to make him change his mind. So he accidentally shot the wrong person, handcuffed the guy he accidentally shot and THEN didn't provide first aid to the guy he accidentally shot.

I would think and hope that any decent human being, cop or not, would provide aid to a person they just accidentally injured especially if that person has even basic first aid training.

 

[Linux23]

Autism is the new black! Look how scary and threatening that kid that had the fire truck.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm wondering why the guy who got shot was handcuffed in the first place, since the police union spokesperson stated, as justification for the shooting, the cops on the scene were trying to protect him when trying to shoot the autistic man.

So why handcuff the man you were trying to protect from the toy truck-armed autistic gent?

Well he had just shot him and didn't intend to render aid which can be perceived as a pretty big dick move by said person who was just shot. Cop didn't want the guy to get any ideas of retribution, which frankly we all would have understood in the moment.

 

[NAC4EV]

Cop didn't want the guy to get any ideas of retribution, which frankly we all would have understood in the moment.

Yeah.
The guy who got shot was black.
According to police, Black people tend to be more violent than white people.

 

[Darwin333]

This all originated with the 911 caller mistaking a truck for a gun. Can they be charged with anything? Obviously there was no gun...

The police actions are inexcusable. I'm normally on the side of the police, but this is just unreal.

I smell a 6 maybe 7 figure settlement in the therapists future.

Eyewitness testimony/reports are the absolute worst type of evidence. Half the time it's not even the persons fault, your brain simply fills in a bunch of shit and all of a sudden you swear you saw stuff, that you truly believe you did, that you didn't see at all.

Cops are supposedly trained to be a bit more observant and to actually focus. Especially when they decide to employ deadly force. Does anyone know what the military's rules of engagement would be in a similar situation under an occupation?

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah.
The guy who got shot was black.
According to police, Black people tend to be more violent than white people.

I'd have been pretty damn violent too if he just shot me while I did everything in my power to keep from getting shot including laying on the ground and having my hands in the air. Fuck it, if he is going to shoot me no matter what I do what exactly do I have to lose if I go after him?

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Eyewitness testimony/reports are the absolute worst type of evidence. Half the time it's not even the persons fault, your brain simply fills in a bunch of shit and all of a sudden you swear you saw stuff, that you truly believe you did, that you didn't see at all.

Cops are supposedly trained to be a bit more observant and to actually focus. Especially when they decide to employ deadly force. Does anyone know what the military's rules of engagement would be in a similar situation under an occupation?

In an "occupation", or urban patrol you pretty much have to be taking fire. That's cuz almost everyone is armed, friend, or foe.
On an actual battle field, you have to confirm their armed, or in uniform.

 

[HumblePie]

Based on the evidence known to the public, this looks to be one of the worst recent incidents of police stupidly. Inexcusable. This should be a big eye opener to the public that the police nation we have is just too much. I seriously think many departments need to be scaled back and hiring/training practices evaluated better. The majority of police in this country are not there to protect and serve their community, unless you count serving tickets. Too many police I know have a sole metric of handing out tickets so that local governments can rake in cash and have reasons to grow bigger than they ever should have. Need more money, need more government, need more cops has been the mantra for a long time and the incident in this thread is one of the many consequences of such actions over the years. It's an inevitability especially in light of how it is wide spread across this country. The libertarian in me is appalled at the outcome of the massive government infrastructure that has been built up in our country when I see incidents like this occur.

Don't take my post out of context though. I do believe in good cops, that cops do serve a purpose (the goods ones) and that all communities need cops. I just think there are far too many out there for most communities and their sole existence has revolved around serving tickets instead of their core responsibilities that their communities want them to adhere to. Such a divergent aspect of their roles in the modern era has led to bad hiring practices, bad training, and inexperience in the scenarios they really should all be prepared for. I stress all part because the mistakes a cop makes can have much more severe consequences than a normal citizen in their day to day job duties. Police departments and the public can't continue to afford these types of mistakes.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

They even prevent a person from trying to stop the bleeding themselves by handcuffing them.

It seems to be a recurring theme in cop shootings...let the guy bleed out. Either by preventing paramedics from accessing the guy or by not calling paramedics for a long time. There must be some legal reason why it is better for the guy they shoot to die than it is for them to live. Something along the lines of "dead men tell no tales."

 

[stlc8tr]

Yeah.
The guy who got shot was black.
According to police, Black people tend to be more violent than white people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cher-tell-her-blacks-have-violent-tendencies/

Officials in Austin are investigating the violent arrest of a black elementary school teacher who was body-slammed by a white police officer during a traffic stop.

The investigation comes after the emergence of police video footage showing not only the June 2015 arrest but also a scene afterward, when another white officer told the teacher that cops are wary of blacks because of their “violent tendencies” and “intimidating” appearance.

“Ninety-nine percent of the time … it is the black community that is being violent,” the officer tells her. “That’s why a lot of white people are afraid. And I don’t blame them.”

 

[Puffnstuff]

I was just coming to comment on that story http://video.foxnews.com/v/50466775...-ground-twice-in-traffic-stop/?#sp=show-clips and the video is just insane.

 

[NAC4EV]

And people don’t to understand why there is violence placed against the police.
The cameras are recording everyone's actions.
The violence pendulum is swinging both ways now!!!
We need peace.

 

[Linux23]

I was just coming to comment on that story http://video.foxnews.com/v/50466775...-ground-twice-in-traffic-stop/?#sp=show-clips and the video is just insane.

Why was she resisting? Why was she even pulled over?

 

[NAC4EV]

Why was she resisting? Why was she even pulled over?

There you go.

Officer Bryan Richter violently throwing Breaion King to the ground twice while arresting her in a parking lot for speeding.

A second video recorded her conversation with Officer Patrick Spradlin about racism.

Here’s part of the conversation.
“Why are so many people afraid of Black people,” Spradlin asks King.
She replies, “That’s what I want to figure out because I’m not a bad Black person.”
“I can give you a really good idea why it might be that way,” the officer tells her. “Their Violent tendencies.”

Meanwhile, Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said on Thursday that the two officers are under an internal criminal investigation and have been removed from the streets. Police officials are also looking into why Richter’s superiors gave him just a slap on the wrist — counseling and training — instead of a more serious punishment.