Miami police shoot unarmed man

[compuwiz1]

Serious question
What makes you think conservatives support LEO unjustifiably shooting black men?

Good question. I'll await his answer, even though I suspect why he thinks that.

 

[ivwshane]

Completely fucking disgusting!

 

[compuwiz1]

Completely fucking disgusting!

There aren't enough superlatives to describe the heinous act.

 

[Artdeco]

I don't see anyone defending the officer's actions, damn that was a shit show.

 

[emperus]

So, they shoot the black person with his hands up and don't shoot the non-black person who doesn't have his hands up, is the person that has the object in his hands and is not responding to police commands? And mind you, the black person was shot 3 times, the non-black person - 0.

This is a perfect encapsulation of why there is a Black lives movement. This guys life didn't seem to matter as much as the non black guy's. And anyone with a conscience or empathy should understand why there is so much outrage out there in the Black community.

 

[compuwiz1]

So, they shoot the black person with his hands up and don't shoot the non-black person who doesn't have his hands up, is the person that has the object in his hands and is not responding to police commands?

This is a perfect encapsulation of why there is a Black lives movement. This guys life didn't seem to matter as much as the non black guy's. And anyone with a conscience or empathy should understand why there so much outrage out there in the Black community.

Duly noted and acknowledged. I don't disagree. We have work to do. Those things said, how does being mad constitute burning down and looting businesses, in the communities, where one might be employed, or looking for a job? What kind of parents would ever teach their children that kind of behavior is acceptable? No parents....the parenting wasn't there, so it can't be blamed. Mom's are probably at work and the kids, sadly, don't know who the father is, let alone find him and pull him home. Burn a business, burn a home, burn a flag....forgive them, for they know not what they do. They might not even have been taught what being an American really means, so the law of the jungle prevails...you do what you have to do, to survive.

If every American household pulled one kid, per household, out of their dire circumstances, what a huge difference it would make. This is where I have a conflict with Hollywood and actors and actresses. They go off to places like Africa, to adopt children. We could do it right here! My wife and I are too old to see a kid through, from toddler through college, but looking back 20 years, I would do it today. I think it would make a difference.

 

[emperus]

Duly noted and acknowledged. I don't disagree. We have work to do. Those things said, how does being mad constitute burning down and looting businesses, in the communities, where one might be employed, or looking for a job? What kind of parents would ever teach their children that kind of behavior is acceptable? No parents....the parenting wasn't there, so it can't be blamed. Mom's are probably at work and the kids, sadly, don't know who the father is, let alone find him and pull him home. Burn a business, burn a home, burn a flag....forgive them, for they know not what they do. They might not even have been taught what being an American really means, so the law of the jungle prevails...you do what you have to do, to survive.

If every American household pulled one kid, per household, out of their dire circumstances, what a huge difference it would make. This is where I have a conflict with Hollywood and actors and actresses. They go off to places like Africa, to adopt children. We could do it right here! My wife and I are too old to see a kid through, from toddler through college, but looking back 20 years, I would do it today. I think it would make a difference.

Do you think black people invented looting? Honestly, you should work on understanding your biases and your racism.

 

[elitejp]

Good question. I was just rereading the LA riots of 92 when Rodney King was beaten. Three days of rioting, killing, burning and stealing.
Not acceptable no matter what color you are.

 

[emperus]

Good question. I was just rereading the LA riots of 92 when Rodney King was beaten. Three days of rioting, killing, burning and stealing.
Not acceptable no matter what color you are.

I don't think anyone condones rioting, even when white people do it after hockey games.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/riots-erupt-in-vancouver-after-canucks-loss-1.993707

But again a black man gets shot by police (or the state) and people bring up bad actions by individual citizens. It's pathetic that people pretend not to know the difference.

 

[Bitek]

Duly noted and acknowledged. I don't disagree. We have work to do. Those things said, how does being mad constitute burning down and looting businesses, in the communities, where one might be employed, or looking for a job? What kind of parents would ever teach their children that kind of behavior is acceptable? No parents....the parenting wasn't there, so it can't be blamed. Mom's are probably at work and the kids, sadly, don't know who the father is, let alone find him and pull him home. Burn a business, burn a home, burn a flag....forgive them, for they know not what they do. They might not even have been taught what being an American really means, so the law of the jungle prevails...you do what you have to do, to survive.

If every American household pulled one kid, per household, out of their dire circumstances, what a huge difference it would make. This is where I have a conflict with Hollywood and actors and actresses. They go off to places like Africa, to adopt children. We could do it right here! My wife and I are too old to see a kid through, from toddler through college, but looking back 20 years, I would do it today. I think it would make a difference.

It's not acceptable.

But it's understandable given the level of outrage versus the lack of action and accountability. At some point people say fuck it, it's not working for us anyway and we're burning this shit down until you listen.


Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are all about? No reasonable person would every let someone so demonstrably unqualified and dangerous near the levers of the economy, let alone nuclear weapons, yet that's what millions voted for?

Why? Because you are pissed off and willing to burn down not just a couple of stores, but the entire country until people in power pay attention to your grievances.

 

[elitejp]

I don't think anyone condones rioting, even when white people do it after hockey games.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/riots-erupt-in-vancouver-after-canucks-loss-1.993707

But again a black man gets shot by police (or the state) and people bring up bad actions by individual citizens. It's pathetic that people pretend not to know the difference.

No one wants someone shot by the police without cause.

 

[SheHateMe]

Do you think that's what will happen?

Nothing.

 

[glenn1]

Cops shooting unarmed and/or subdued Black Men is a problem. How about you stop deflecting?

Okay we'll go with your premise. Presuming we do the standard retinue of easy-fix 'solutions' like training, etc. and that doesn't work what's your next move, to change the Rules of Engagement for police and mandate a much higher standard for when it's acceptable to use each level of force? And if so, are you willing to accept the results of that, such as

1. A lower apprehension/arrest rate because resisting arrest becomes a far more viable strategy

2. More injured/dead cops

3. Lower police morale and/or a greater level of de-policing because cops don't want to risk their safety to satisfy a political talking point?

 

[emperus]

Okay we'll go with your premise. Presuming we do the standard retinue of easy-fix 'solutions' like training, etc. and that doesn't work what's your next move, to change the Rules of Engagement for police and mandate a much higher standard for when it's acceptable to use each level of force? And if so, are you willing to accept the results of that, such as

1. A lower apprehension/arrest rate because resisting arrest becomes a far more viable strategy

2. More injured/dead cops

3. Lower police morale and/or a greater level of de-policing because cops don't want to risk their safety to satisfy a political talking point?

Those are your results.

1.) We can start by requiring every cop to wear body cameras. If the body camera is found to be inoperable, you get fired. Police work for the people, not the other way around. I'm not sure why in this age of technology this is even being debated.

2.) Any cop that is found to be lying on a police report is fired. Again, how can the police be required to enforce the laws if you don't enforce the police.

3.) The rules of engagement should change. Police should get better training as to what situations require immediate force and which don't. I saw the video of a cop running on a bus to apprehend a mentally ill man. She ran in with her gun drawn and he grabbed it and a struggle ensued. In that struggle, the gun was fired barley missing the bus driver. A 2nd officer was forced to kill the suspect. I appreciate the bravery of police, but in that situation more thought and less bravado would probably have led to a better outcome. If cops suspect danger and the situation is relatively contained, wait for backup. Protects both the cop and everyone else.

Though these are just a bit of things that can change, I don't buy your false narrative. If someone feels low morale because of accountability, they can leave the police force. A trusted and respected police force is a safer police force.

 

[sunzt]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html

"As long as I've got my hands up, they're not gonna shoot me, that's what I'm thinking," Kinsey said.

"Wow, was I wrong."

D::'(

 

[dank69]

Okay we'll go with your premise. Presuming we do the standard retinue of easy-fix 'solutions' like training, etc. and that doesn't work what's your next move, to change the Rules of Engagement for police and mandate a much higher standard for when it's acceptable to use each level of force? And if so, are you willing to accept the results of that, such as

1. A lower apprehension/arrest rate because resisting arrest becomes a far more viable strategy

2. More injured/dead cops

3. Lower police morale and/or a greater level of de-policing because cops don't want to risk their safety to satisfy a political talking point?

How about we just actually punish police officers that do things that any other citizen would go to prison for?

 

[JSt0rm]

his black skin made him scary.

 

[brianmanahan]

This s*** is going to continue to happen until

forever. i honestly don't think it's ever going to get better.

 

[vi edit]

"Why did you shoot me?"
"I don't know".
Jesus

At least he's still alive.

This shit is going to continue to happen until:

• Hiring practices (and probably pay) improve
• Training improvements with real certifications, recertification, and feedback
• Objective data is recorded tracking violence against suspects and police
• Police management his held responsible for improving police action.

Oh and in before the inevitable, "he's a secret drug dealing gang banger who was armed good shoot."

Please add being charged and convicted of attempted (if not full blown) murder. So many of these guys get put on leave and end up getting the event swept under the rug and they continue to work.

 

[JSt0rm]

I like the idea of having police carry liability insurance. Let the free markets figure it out. A cop has too many questionable run ins with people and he will be deemed a financial threat by the insurance company and his rates will go up. Eventually and hopefully before he does something like kill someone he will be forced out because the insurance rates are higher then his pay will allow.

This has the positive effect of making it so the liability is on the officers insurance and not on the tax payer.

 

[ajskydiver]

Even sadder, from the article on CNN, they fired two to three shots and missed twice (or once)!

In the video, the police had their "assault rifles" out and not just their handguns. Thank goodness they can't shoot very well with rifles at close range.

 

[mizzou]

Wonder why we don't have the full unedited video. It just cuts out right at the important stuff.

We really need to stop letting cops respond to mental health issues.

 

[soundforbjt]

Police unions, the one union most conservatives have no problem with...

 

[HomerJS]

Serious question
What makes you think conservatives support LEO unjustifiably shooting black men?

What makes you think conservatives care about unjustified shootings of black men by LEOs

 

[Oyeve]

Wonder why we don't have the full unedited video. It just cuts out right at the important stuff.

We really need to stop letting cops respond to mental health issues.

The cops ARE the ones with the mental health issues.