Didn't he even sign one of the checks? Can't get more guilty than that.Uhmm, he is most certainly accused of something, you can read the court documents that spell it out yourself.
Regardless, your reasoning is circular. He claims immunity from indictment and prosecution, therefore if he raped a baby to death on the front lawn of the White House by your logic we could not say he was a felon. Does that seem reasonable?
A trial and conviction are only necessary for the government to imprison him, for the average person we are blessed with knowledge and reason and can determine for ourselves if we think he committed those crimes or not. He clearly did and everyone here knows it. I mean we aren’t stupid.
Cohen paid off Stormy and Trump reimbursed Cohen, which is a classic strategy to attempt to not directly implicate Trump in the crime. We do have those checks to Cohen though.Didn't
Didn't he even sign one of the checks? Can't get more guilty than that.
Trump abandoned him when he got in trouble for the work Trump ordered him to do on his behalf. Trust and loyalty is a two way street. Trump betrayed him so Cohen owes him nothing. If anything, Cohen owes him a nice fuck you right back. Agree?
No one said Cohen got into it blindly, just that when you hire someone to commit crimes for you and then throw them under the bus you should expect them to return the favor. Common sense, really.What you meant to say was :
"Trump abandoned him when he got in trouble for the work Trump hired him to do on his behalf."
No, I don't agree.
Whatever Cohen got into with his clients he didn't enter into blindly. Since he worked for Trump for 10 years he knew where he was and what he was into. It doesn't matter to me if it is Trump or anyone else. He would still be a turd IMO.
I am not trying to gloss over any of their joint operations or perceived criminal activities... That should have been covered in his trial.
If he is trying to do a big Fuck You to Trump, I would have serious doubts about the accuracy of the information contained in the book.
No skin off my nose.
Snitches get stitches? I'm presuming he's not writing about trade secrets. If he's writing about serious ethical breaches and illegal activity, why would you want to protect that?
No one said Cohen got into it blindly, just that when you hire someone to commit crimes for you and then throw them under the bus you should expect them to return the favor. Common sense, really.
As for Cohen’s credibility, he lied for Trump for a decade so his personal credibility is fairly low. Unfortunately for Trump though, Cohen has apparently been recording him and keeping receipts, lol.
So what is to be done in the case where the person committing ethical breaches and illegal activity is legally immune from the justice system? Seems like the ethical thing to do would be to inform the public to ensure this immunity is removed.I agree that serious ethical breaches and illegal activity should be brought to light. It should be handled by the courts via legal action and the justice system.
Not in a tell all book.
No, I don’t think people are always turds, people can certainly become better. Whether Cohen is still a turd now is something I don’t know, but whatever he is now I think absolutely no less of him for not keeping Trump’s secrets for him. He owes Trump nothing.As I stated:
Once a turd always a turd. Agree? Seems that you do.
So what is to be done in the case where the person committing ethical breaches and illegal activity is legally immune from the justice system? Seems like the ethical thing to do would be to inform the public to ensure this immunity is removed.
No, I don’t think people are always turds, people can certainly become better. Whether Cohen is still a turd now is something I don’t know, but whatever he is now I think absolutely no less of him for not keeping Trump’s secrets for him. He owes Trump nothing.
Didn't he air his dirty laundry in court already?
Meh, I don’t find Cohen inherently trustworthy so it will all be about what other evidence he has and what the circumstances are.I wouldn't put a lot of stock in a revenge tell all book. Some people will some won't...
Whatever Cohen decides to publish in his book, the fact checking folks will have to put in a lot of overtime on it. It would also be interesting to see if he gives Trump cover in so many ways.
As an aside, Bolton's delayed release of his tell-all to sometime in May is obviously politically motivated by Trump. I'm thinking the same will happen to Cohen's work. As far as Trump is concerned having it delayed 'til after the upcoming election would be just fine with him.
He SHOULD, and in the end he likely will, but I still fully expect Trump to mount a bad faith lawsuit against it to delay its publication until after November.Cohen, not being an administration official, would (edit) NOT have to play by the same rules, correct? He should just be able to publish, period.
I agree that serious ethical breaches and illegal activity should be brought to light. It should be handled by the courts via legal action and the justice system.
Not in a tell all book.
I agree with you there, but surely you would agree that Cohen no longer owes him his loyalty and silence once Trump betrayed him?
That wasn’t my premise, that was yours.He never owed him loyalty or silence for illegal and unethical business. False premise.
That wasn’t my premise, that was yours.
I am saying Cohen owes Trump no loyalty on ANYTHING, legal, ethical, or otherwise.
Meh, strong disagree.If Cohen shares things that are personal and of no relevance to the nation with intent to embarrass Trump or things like trade secrets which are part of any form of legitimate business, this is wrong. It's wrong independent of Trump's betrayal. Just as sharing about illegitimate activity is right and right independent of Trump's loyalty.
Sad reality? Probably not. Cohen being indicted with an unnamed co-conspirer, let alone convicted would have been enough to take down any democrat in office. The butt kisser GOP won’t hold him accountable as long as he gives them social benefit cut/tax cuts and judges.Are the walls still closing in?
As I stated:
Once a turd always a turd. Agree? Seems that you do.
Meh, strong disagree.
If someone sets out to personally destroy and humiliate you on a personal level you have no ethical or moral duty to refrain from doing the same to them. Imagine how silly it would be if Cohen and Trump both saw each other picking their nose and Trump then held a press conference mocking Cohen for doing so, that Cohen would be wrong for mentioning Donald did it too.
If Cohen has trade secrets that are under his possession that he is legally obligated not to disclose that’s one thing, but if someone shows they are actively attempting to publicly humiliate and discredit you then they reap what they sow.
And this is the gapping asshole he fell out of;Once a turd always a turd.