Michael Jackson, Guilty or Innocent?

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GasX

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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You need to add "He is innocent until judged by his peers, but he is still a FREAK"
 

Babbles

Diamond Member
Jan 4, 2001
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How can you all judge before the trial and any facts and testimony are released?
 

PanzerIV

Diamond Member
Dec 19, 2002
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My wife was watching some show the other day on him and he really did have one hell of a f^cked up family life. His older brothers were screwing girls with him and Marlin right in the hotel room while they pretended they were asleep because there was nothing else they could do. They also said Joe Jackson would get the "leftover" groupies and Michael was conflicted in his beliefs as a Jehova's Witness not to tell on his father.

I don't know for sure what he's been up to in later years with molestation charges but he really missed out on a normal childhood and I do strongly believe that scarred him for life.
 

KarenMarie

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Sep 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: royaldank
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respect that. I'm not bashing you at all. Still, $25 million might have been a drop in the bucket. However, if I had Bill Gates money and someone accused me of molesting them, I'd go to court and jail and die trying to clear my name. No way I'd pay off some little bastard. Just my opinion.

From what I've heard lately, if the first kid testifies, it's going to be a quick open and shut case. They can describe his body. They know what 'it' looks like. It's not bleached like the rest of his body. Why would any kid know that in the first place?

I think he'll either disappear or commit suicide.

I appreciate your POV. And yes, it looks really bad for him. Having the kids know what his body looks like naked is really bad for him, but it does not prove that he sexually molested anyone... exercised poor judgement for being naked in front of them.. absolutely... but if the 'it is all harmless and only about love and not sex' theory is true, then it is no big deal (to him) for him to be naked... I mean there are nudist colonies all over the world where people traipse around starkers and anyones kid can see them.

I agree that his behaviour is totally inappropriate. A grown man naked in front of other ppls kids without their parents there is unacceptable. But again, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says it is not about sex... mostly for the same reasons that everyone else is calling him a freak.... to me he is emotional stunted at 10-12yrs old, and is acting like a 10-12yr old would.

But the main thing, is that he needs to have a FAIR trial, not a media circus. And if he is proven guilty, I will change my thoguhts.


 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Given my apathy for the human race lately, I would sell him little boys for some of his cash. He's one rich bofo.

If you tried to do that to my son I would kill you where you stand. :|

I totally mean that too.
 

Orsorum

Lifer
Dec 26, 2001
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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: royaldank
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respect that. I'm not bashing you at all. Still, $25 million might have been a drop in the bucket. However, if I had Bill Gates money and someone accused me of molesting them, I'd go to court and jail and die trying to clear my name. No way I'd pay off some little bastard. Just my opinion.

From what I've heard lately, if the first kid testifies, it's going to be a quick open and shut case. They can describe his body. They know what 'it' looks like. It's not bleached like the rest of his body. Why would any kid know that in the first place?

I think he'll either disappear or commit suicide.

I appreciate your POV. And yes, it looks really bad for him. Having the kids know what his body looks like naked is really bad for him, but it does not prove that he sexually molested anyone... exercised poor judgement for being naked in front of them.. absolutely... but if the 'it is all harmless and only about love and not sex' theory is true, then it is no big deal (to him) for him to be naked... I mean there are nudist colonies all over the world where people traipse around starkers and anyones kid can see them.

I agree that his behaviour is totally inappropriate. A grown man naked in front of other ppls kids without their parents there is unacceptable. But again, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says it is not about sex... mostly for the same reasons that everyone else is calling him a freak.... to me he is emotional stunted at 10-12yrs old, and is acting like a 10-12yr old would.

But the main thing, is that he needs to have a FAIR trial, not a media circus. And if he is proven guilty, I will change my thoguhts.


Damn you for stealing my thoughts! Maybe you're stealing my precious bodily fluids, too! :Q
 

ribbon13

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Feb 1, 2005
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If you tried to do that to my son I would kill you where you stand. :|
I totally mean that too.

:laugh:

That's a good one. Have you ever experienced a sudden involuntary dose of seroquel? or ketamine?

My superior militant cleverness has nothing to do with the fact that was a sardonic comment however. Your son has more to worry about from the local church than from me.
 

KarenMarie

Elite Member
Sep 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: royaldank
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respect that. I'm not bashing you at all. Still, $25 million might have been a drop in the bucket. However, if I had Bill Gates money and someone accused me of molesting them, I'd go to court and jail and die trying to clear my name. No way I'd pay off some little bastard. Just my opinion.

From what I've heard lately, if the first kid testifies, it's going to be a quick open and shut case. They can describe his body. They know what 'it' looks like. It's not bleached like the rest of his body. Why would any kid know that in the first place?

I think he'll either disappear or commit suicide.

I appreciate your POV. And yes, it looks really bad for him. Having the kids know what his body looks like naked is really bad for him, but it does not prove that he sexually molested anyone... exercised poor judgement for being naked in front of them.. absolutely... but if the 'it is all harmless and only about love and not sex' theory is true, then it is no big deal (to him) for him to be naked... I mean there are nudist colonies all over the world where people traipse around starkers and anyones kid can see them.

I agree that his behaviour is totally inappropriate. A grown man naked in front of other ppls kids without their parents there is unacceptable. But again, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says it is not about sex... mostly for the same reasons that everyone else is calling him a freak.... to me he is emotional stunted at 10-12yrs old, and is acting like a 10-12yr old would.

But the main thing, is that he needs to have a FAIR trial, not a media circus. And if he is proven guilty, I will change my thoguhts.


Damn you for stealing my thoughts! Maybe you're stealing my precious bodily fluids, too! :Q

Hahaha!! I doubt it... but two things..

1) There is no standing for you to sue someone on this...

2) rest assured... that IF something like this would happen (against the 1 in a fifty six quadrillion odds) there would be no lawsuits in the future.

 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Originally posted by: Babbles
How can you all judge before the trial and any facts and testimony are released?

The OP is asking for opinions based on what we know. Not a verdict... We all pretty much know (or should know) he's innocent until proven guilty...
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If you tried to do that to my son I would kill you where you stand. :|
I totally mean that too.

:laugh:

That's a good one. Have you ever experienced a sudden involuntary dose of seroquel? or ketamine?

My superior militant cleverness has nothing to do with the fact that was a sardonic comment however. Your son has more to worry about from the local church than from me.

No, can't say that I have.

I don't mess around when it comes to child molesters and my child though.
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: royaldank


How many non-pedophiles pay $25 milllion to a family accusing him or sexually molesting their child?

You have some valid points, but #3 isn't so valid. It's been reported that he used to be much better and take a year or two to convince the kid and talk him into whatever he does with them. The one pressing charges now, it's speculated, was done very quickly and shoddily; just a few months time before the molesting began. That's almost qualifying your third point against the man.

I am not him... but in my mind... that amount of money to NOT go thru the hassle would be like me getting a speeding ticket... to me.. just pay the damn thing and not have to go thru the trouble of going to court, etc... for him it is probably the same thing... and it was on the advice of his lawyer that he did that... so he would not have the media circus he is having now. His lawyers told him to pay up and let it go.
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Normally I'd agree, and not judge someone guilty until all the facts were in, but if you have all the money in the world and someone accuses you of something like THAT, a payoff is NOT the sign of innocence.

Being accused of child molestation is a little different than speeding. Much more socially acceptible, for one thing.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Sep 25, 2004
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I've read the entire case laid out by Snedden as researched on the Drudge Report as well as by my main journalism super sleuth Geraldo.


MJ per these findings is innocent.



 

KarenMarie

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Sep 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: royaldank


How many non-pedophiles pay $25 milllion to a family accusing him or sexually molesting their child?

You have some valid points, but #3 isn't so valid. It's been reported that he used to be much better and take a year or two to convince the kid and talk him into whatever he does with them. The one pressing charges now, it's speculated, was done very quickly and shoddily; just a few months time before the molesting began. That's almost qualifying your third point against the man.

I am not him... but in my mind... that amount of money to NOT go thru the hassle would be like me getting a speeding ticket... to me.. just pay the damn thing and not have to go thru the trouble of going to court, etc... for him it is probably the same thing... and it was on the advice of his lawyer that he did that... so he would not have the media circus he is having now. His lawyers told him to pay up and let it go.

Normally I'd agree, and not judge someone guilty until all the facts were in, but if you have all the money in the world and someone accuses you of something like THAT, a payoff is NOT the sign of innocence.

Being accused of child molestation is a little different than speeding. Much more socially acceptible, for one thing.[/quote]

I agree... and if it were me... I would not pay a trillion $$$ or five $$$... I would fight the charge with my last dying breath. But we are talking about M Jackson... he is not playing with a full deck to begin with... this is what his lawyers told him to do, and like an idiot... he listened.



 
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