Michael Moore is THE MAN!!!!!!!!!

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Codewiz
"FICTICOUS ELECTION RESULTS"

DUMBASS. He really has no idea what this country is about.......

No idea? It seems to me he's got the 'freedom of speech' part down pat.

Freedom of speech, yes. Wrong forum, though.

 

[yellowperil]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: yellowperil

I guess they love him because he can edit a film together so that the "Facts" support what he wants you to believe. If you have half a brain and do some research you begin to see what he has done. He misrepresents everything he does. Bowling was not a documentary. He shouldn't even have been up there.

Maybe you should watch more documentaries. A film doesn't have to be objective or purport to be objective, and it can still be called a documentary.

It does, however, have to be "an accurate representation of fact".

ZV

Er, that's a negative. Many (if not most) documentaries have a slant, an agenda that the filmmaker wishes to convey. It's a method of expression. Even subtle choices of editing reflect that.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Codewiz
"FICTICOUS ELECTION RESULTS"

DUMBASS. He really has no idea what this country is about.......

No idea? It seems to me he's got the 'freedom of speech' part down pat.

Yeah he can say whatever the hell he wants but he is DEAD WRONG. Bush was elected fair and square......

...by the Supreme Court

Go back to school. He was elected by the Electoral College.

 

[Ornery]

• Here's your WOMAN!
  
  To each his own.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: novon
That took guts, my hat off to him

Wrong, he made a complete asshat out of himself. He got booed.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: yellowperil

I guess they love him because he can edit a film together so that the "Facts" support what he wants you to believe. If you have half a brain and do some research you begin to see what he has done. He misrepresents everything he does. Bowling was not a documentary. He shouldn't even have been up there.

Maybe you should watch more documentaries. A film doesn't have to be objective or purport to be objective, and it can still be called a documentary.

It does, however, have to be "an accurate representation of fact".

ZV

And in what way is Bowling not an accurate rep. of the facts? Just because someone links to some page that shows that Moore cut and pasted some of Heston's speeches doesn't mean that the film is a fraud.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: etech
konichiwa

Waa waa. Get over it!

He's not even a good troll.

"Get over it"? Is that the best you have? This board is going downhil. At least the trolls were worth arguing with in the old days. Now we get ones that can only spew "Get over it". sheeesh. 3rd graders can come up with better retorts.

If you want to argue, go find an intelligent thread. This certainly isn't one, as it's all a bunch of rabble-rousers. You can't honestly expect to find an intelligent discussion in here.

Again, get over it. Your panties are all in a bunch over nothing ... seems to be a personality trait with conservatives. "Loosening up" is not in their vocabulary; conflict and confrontation at every turn! Oh well

When you are right konichiwa, you are right. As long as you are in this thread the chance of intelligent discussion is low. That is what trolls like you do. They spew out crap and lies and disrupt a thread.

My apologies to everyone else for letting the troll konichiwa bait me into disrupting this thread with his lies.

ROFL. Loosen up man, really...it's just an internet forum. Again, if you'd like to have intelligent discussion, I'd be happy to meet you halfway in some other thread. I really suggest you relax and have a beer or <insert your own vice here>, you're liable to burst a blood vessel

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: yellowperil

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: yellowperil

I guess they love him because he can edit a film together so that the "Facts" support what he wants you to believe. If you have half a brain and do some research you begin to see what he has done. He misrepresents everything he does. Bowling was not a documentary. He shouldn't even have been up there.

Maybe you should watch more documentaries. A film doesn't have to be objective or purport to be objective, and it can still be called a documentary.

It does, however, have to be "an accurate representation of fact".

ZV

Er, that's a negative. Many (if not most) documentaries have a slant, an agenda that the filmmaker wishes to convey. It's a method of expression. Even subtle choices of editing reflect that.

That isn't what Moore did. What he did was take two separate quotes like " I love it" and "When we go to war" and turned it into "I love it when we go to war."

That is a misrepresentation of facts.......That is not a specific example from the movie but that is what was done through the entire movie.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yeah a lot of Bush supporters can't handle the truth.

If Saddam was a leader of a central African country.....we would not be in central Africa right now.

What... kinda like Somalia?

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: minus1972
I actually just lost a little bit of respect for them there.

Funny, I never had much respect for him to begin with. Pinko commie bastard!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: yellowperil

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: yellowperil

I guess they love him because he can edit a film together so that the "Facts" support what he wants you to believe. If you have half a brain and do some research you begin to see what he has done. He misrepresents everything he does. Bowling was not a documentary. He shouldn't even have been up there.

Maybe you should watch more documentaries. A film doesn't have to be objective or purport to be objective, and it can still be called a documentary.

It does, however, have to be "an accurate representation of fact".

ZV

Er, that's a negative. Many (if not most) documentaries have a slant, an agenda that the filmmaker wishes to convey. It's a method of expression. Even subtle choices of editing reflect that.

How does it being an accurate representation of fact prohibit a bias? It is entirely possible (entirely simple, in fact) to bias a documentary while still having all the facts completely correct. You are making the novice mistake of equating "fact-based" with "non-biased".

Rule 11 of the rules for the Academy Award: a documentary must be non-fictional, and even re-enactments (much less doctoring of a speech) must stress fact and not fiction.

ZV

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Codewiz
"FICTICOUS ELECTION RESULTS"

DUMBASS. He really has no idea what this country is about.......

No idea? It seems to me he's got the 'freedom of speech' part down pat.

Yeah he can say whatever the hell he wants but he is DEAD WRONG. Bush was elected fair and square......

...by the Supreme Court

Go back to school. He was elected by the Electoral College.

Exactly. Just like the 40+ presidents before him.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yeah a lot of Bush supporters can't handle the truth.

If Saddam was a leader of a central African country.....we would not be in central Africa right now.

If I was an eagle, I would soar above the clouds. He isn't and I'm not. Now he's out.

 

[conjur]

Just more proof that the Academy can be bought and doesn't care what a true documentary. Giving the Best Documentary Oscar to a film based on lies and distortion??? Sad...very sad.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

What we need here is that link that rips apart Bowling For Columbine for the "documentary" it is.

- M4H

 

[AZGamer]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
NUFF Said.

As a person, I disagree with his viewpoints.

As a director, I see him as a fraud who made a documentary out of fictitious backgrounds.

Michael Moore: Proof the Documentaries need not be true as long as they fit into the mold of PC

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: conjur
Just more proof that the Academy can be bought and doesn't care what a true documentary. Giving the Best Documentary Oscar to a film based on lies and distortion??? Sad...very sad.

I still have yet to see anyone demonstrate that Bowling is actually based in pure fiction. Yes, he may have edited Heston's speech in such a way that it was not fluid and cohesive, but it doesn't seem that any of it was purely lies. Perhaps the Lockheed incident but that was a very small portion of the film and the lie seems to have been a technicality (missiles vs. rockets?)

 

[Ornery]

I just LOVE our Democrat's celebrity icons. It helps put a face to all the anti war posters here. Uh, NUFF SAID.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I just LOVE our Democrat's celebrity icons. It helps put a face to all the anti war posters here. Uh, NUFF SAID.

Buh, Hanoi Jane is a crackpot and was almost forty years ago. Can we finally put her behind us and start to realize that most war protestors today (of course with few, many exceptions) are levelheaded and completely and utterly UNLIKE her?

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Ornery
I just LOVE our Democrat's celebrity icons. It helps put a face to all the anti war posters here. Uh, NUFF SAID.

Buh, Hanoi Jane is a crackpot and was almost forty years ago. Can we finally put her behind us and start to realize that most war protestors today (of course with few, many exceptions) are levelheaded and completely and utterly UNLIKE her?

Yeah like Michael Moore right???? What a joke. Yes I know there are SOME levelheaded anti-war people but I haven't met many.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
What we need here is that link that rips apart Bowling For Columbine for the "documentary" it is.

- M4H

Oh...this link!

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: conjur
Just more proof that the Academy can be bought and doesn't care what a true documentary. Giving the Best Documentary Oscar to a film based on lies and distortion??? Sad...very sad.

I still have yet to see anyone demonstrate that Bowling is actually based in pure fiction. Yes, he may have edited Heston's speech in such a way that it was not fluid and cohesive, but it doesn't seem that any of it was purely lies. Perhaps the Lockheed incident but that was a very small portion of the film and the lie seems to have been a technicality (missiles vs. rockets?)

How about the cartoon part of the movie? How can you NOT call that part of the movie fictional?!?

 

[Ornery]

Buh, Hanoi Jane is a crackpot and was almost forty years ago. Can we finally put her behind us and start to realize that most war protestors today (of course with few, many exceptions) are levelheaded and completely and utterly UNLIKE her?

• WRONG! She IS the left. She is your ICON! She IS YOU!

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Ornery
I just LOVE our Democrat's celebrity icons. It helps put a face to all the anti war posters here. Uh, NUFF SAID.

Buh, Hanoi Jane is a crackpot and was almost forty years ago. Can we finally put her behind us and start to realize that most war protestors today (of course with few, many exceptions) are levelheaded and completely and utterly UNLIKE her?

Yeah like Michael Moore right???? What a joke. Yes I know there are SOME levelheaded anti-war people but I haven't met many.

Oh come on, Michael Moore is an idiot. In case you didn't know, majorities in 90% of the countries around the world are against the war. Do you honestly believe they are all as idiotic as Hanoi Jane and Michael Moore?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ornery

• WRONG! She IS the left. She is your ICON! She IS YOU!

• Bahahaha.

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