So, racial justice would be allowing the grandchildren of the oppressed to kick their opressor's grandchildren in the balls? Even if you think current generations owe a debt for past injustices, two wrongs don't make a right. Bad analogy.
I have no problem with this as an ideal. I note that you begin with agreeing that the injustice mostly has gone one way, and then introduce your own kind of but, when you say "however...." My opinion is that when you demand balance so far into the game, when one side has takes so much damage, you aren't asking for balance at all. You are asking for immunity from the consequences of the racism of the past while we still owe a great debt and millions have not healed. You don't kick people in the balls and then declare time out.
PS: I completely understand the point you are making. Bad behavior is bad behavior. But what I see when I look at American society is not massive damage to white people because of trigger happy black racists turning everything into a racial issue, but centuries of damage to the black communities and ghettos cause by racism. I would like to see a bit of balance in social conditions before I worry too much about the excesses coming from the black side.
I have no problem with this as an ideal. I note that you begin with agreeing that the injustice mostly has gone one way, and then introduce your own kind of but, when you say "however...." My opinion is that when you demand balance so far into the game, when one side has takes so much damage, you aren't asking for balance at all. You are asking for immunity from the consequences of the racism of the past while we still owe a great debt and millions have not healed. You don't kick people in the balls and then declare time out.
Stop treating white people (or whoever you consider as qualifying as that label) as some unified group that deserves collective punishment. Racism is never going to go anywhere with attitudes like this.
This isn't about demanding balance, it's about having standards of fair conduct and respectful attitudes that aren't circumstantial.
s0me0nesmind1: And we understand the ol' "centuries before" of oppression argument that we continue to hear. The problem, Moonbeam, is that just like black people that feel oppressed - we would love nothing more than to get past these racial issues of divide. But this is what keeps us divided. This is what keeps people angered and divided. How do you expect anyone to come together when you elect a black president for the first time and the wife of him is retarded enough to say something like this?
M: Very simple. If something tries to divide me I don't let it. I don't care what the President's wife does or doesn't do. I view most attacks on her and most praise to be politically motivated and politically based. I don't give a shit. Race is not an issue with me. No black person or white person or chartreuse person is going to cause me to be prejudiced. And you are telling me the President is black and has some black role modeling to perform. That fucker acts as white as me and I guess I'm white. Your problem is not the right or wrong of things but that you have racism up your ass, as it were, that you are all caught up in the issue because you're still dealing with racism. You don't move on by focusing on how the other guy or gal still has problems. You have problems. You just think the problem you have is more real than the problem the other person sees. You don't know what the other person has experienced to create their world view.
I can kind-of agree with your message here in that a massive injustice has been flowing in mostly one racial direction, and it has been for centuries. It still is today, as evidenced by the proportion of black people in jail for drugs as compared to white people in jail for drugs (amongst many other measures).
However, it's always fair to call out race-baiting (aka racism) when observed. We should worry about racism regardless of social conditions. The overall balance of racism should never be required in order to dislike racism from one particular side. We need to reach a place where racism is always wrong, no matter which side it is coming from, no matter which side has had it vastly worse, and no matter how racist it is on the scale. "Bad behavior is bad behavior" should never be followed by "But".
Race-baiting only furthers racist agendas on both sides and seeks to stereotype individual human beings into groups that are unrelated beyond perceived ethnic/racial identity. This only serves the purpose of those who desire the further Balkanization of our society. Dismissing or belittling a negative reaction to race-baiting only serves to further that agenda.
You are asking for immunity from the consequences of the racism of the past while we still owe a great debt and millions have not healed. You don't kick people in the balls and then declare time out.
You don't kick people in the balls and then declare time out.
If something as simple as that looks like racism to her, no wonder she thinks the world is running rampant with racism.
Sure miss the days when first ladies had some class. This one, even though she looks like a bull moose, could at least display some of what a proper first lady should be. Her attempt to race bait = fail.
Yea, she has no class...but you resort to making childish comments about her appearance. I bet that even on her worst days, she looks better than your wife.
Stay classy.
And then you do the same.....classy
Whoa... the privilege!Because she didn’t see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her.
I didn't compare his wife's appearance to an animal. I just said that Michelle Obama is probably more attractive. I bet she doesn't sit on the internet talking about how ugly other people are.
If you are going to call someone else's wife/husband ugly, yours better be on point. So, I'm guessing that Compuwiz is married to a beauty queen. Probably not, though.
Just like that silly goose that came after Obama's kids. She got shut down real quick because she had some skeletons in her closet from when she was a teenager.
And you know this how?
So, it seems you are not familiar with the words, "Guess", "Probably", or the phrase "I bet".
Let me reiterate. I'm betting that while Compuwiz is online calling someone else's wife a "Bull Moose", his wife probably does not look any better.
at least he was going by known images. We know what she looks like. You know Jack Shit about what his wife looks like.
You mean the ones that people cherry pick because they make her look bad? She is attractive, without a doubt. Everyone takes some shitty pictures that don't make them look the best. Overall, it is clearly obvious that she is good looking. I think its funny that someone could seriously compare her likeness to an animal as a response to something she felt was a racial incident (I'm not going to make any further implications..)
You mean the ones that people cherry pick because they make her look bad? She is attractive, without a doubt. Everyone takes some shitty pictures that don't make them look the best. Overall, it is clearly obvious that she is good looking. I think its funny that someone could seriously compare her likeness to an animal as a response to something she felt was a racial incident (I'm not going to make any further implications..)
I'll concede that I don't know what his wife looks like and I honestly don't care. What I don't like about people who throw stones is that their shit is probably not all together. So, while he finds it necessary to compare someone's Wife to a "bull moose", its absolutely fair to consider that his own wife is probably not as attractive.
But, you know what....whatever. He's a mod and if I continue commenting on this, people will start coming here to jump on me. I already know how this works.
So, lets just dial this back to the post about Michelle looking like a "bull moose" being a valid response to her personal anecdote about racism. This is P&N, after all.
Yea, she has no class...but you resort to making childish comments about her appearance. I bet that even on her worst days, she looks better than your wife.
Stay classy.
And this is your problem.
You are thinking of everything narrow minded. You are only thinking in terms of how you would take things, and not how the general public will take it. I can talk all-day about how to be successful in terms of personal economics, but do you think anyone else in this world has the courage to do something like go without Cable TV or a cell-phone? Fuck no. So quit thinking in terms of how you would take the public image of the first lady and think in terms of how the general public does.
Because you say so. Thanks, Webster.In order to stay classy a person needs organic shame. A bigot is a person who has been shamed so badly he or she has lost the capacity to feel it. A bigot is a person who has been made to feel so disgusting to cause them to conform to this or that line of thinking their only road to safety is to become fanatical believers. They become the proponents and guardians of bigotry, the self righteous believers. Their job is to dispense misery. When you answer a bigot with who has lost the capacity to feel shame, you will get a load of shit thrown in your face. If you can feel how deeply they were hurt to need to do that, you can turn that shit to flowers. We can't be harmed by the words of such people. They can only remind us of the past when the same shaming techniques were used on us. We were all born perfect and in the image of God. You can tell a bigot, but you can't tell him much. But you won't be alone in your own capacity to see. The love of life and truth will help us step over such shit.