I think my Asian friend would disagree with you. It's racist of you to force Asians and other races than Caucasian to be "not ethnically Jewish".
I don't think you are a fake Jew because unlike you I'm not racist and I don't put my race above others. I think anybody can be Jewish.
Apparently you have zero concept as to what ethnicity means. Specifically, I'm referring to ethno-racial or a genetic group. You can't convert to or be adopted into that.
Define it for me. And please give us a lineage so we can prove that nobody converted and diluted your "master Jew" genes.
You have no idea whether or not you are related to Abraham. No idea, and no proof either!
No I wasn't, but I'm not arguing about this instance of racism like exophase. Her point is valid regardless of whether or not that woman meant to be racist.
Black people face racism constantly. The sooner you white people (and Jews plus the fake Jews that aren't Asian or black or Mexican) stop pretending it doesn't exist.
It exists.
Or ask a employee at the store like a normal, non racist idiot, maybe?
It doesn't fucking matter if I'm a descendant of this Abraham person (whom I doubt even existed). All that matters is that there's a group of people who identify as Jewish who were discriminated against and persecuted on the basis of their genetic ancestry. That's what racism is. Or do you want to say that Jews could historically always escape persecution (often including death) just by changing their lifestyle? I bet people wouldn't be lining up to convert and call themselves Jews in those places.
You can't convert and become black or Arab. You can convert and become jewish.
That's the difference between a race and a religion
"Jews" refers to many different races in many different countries. Much of the "persecution" faced prior to 1AD is BS. The Jews weren't even in Egypt at the time the pyramids and Sphinx were built. But they love to take credit while simultaneously whining about stuff that never happened.
You need to let go of this BS that you are not lily white. You are white. "Jews" who are not Israeli are white.
Oh, I see you're still calling it a religion. There is a religion you can convert to, but you can't convert to the genetic group. I know this is confusing to you, but there are two different things here.
If someone moved to the middle east hundreds of years ago, it's possible that their children could end up being mistaken as Arab too, isn't it?
Who cares about anything that happened 2000 years ago? Plenty of things happened in the last century, and not just in Nazi Germany.
So I guess I don't get to at least qualify as half Israeli? If both my parents were from Israel would I still lose that status for being born in America? Do you have American born kids?
No I wasn't, but I'm not arguing about this instance of racism like exophase. Her point is valid regardless of whether or not that woman meant to be racist.
Black people face racism constantly. The sooner you white people (and Jews plus the fake Jews that aren't Asian or black or Mexican) stop pretending it doesn't exist.
It exists.
Oh it exists. It just doesn't exist to the extent you think it does. The fact that the nearest person of adequate height can't be asked a small favor because she is black may indicate you are more racist than the person asking the favor.
If you have Israeli parents then yea you are a legit Semitic Jew. Did your parents immigrate from Israel?
Who cares about anything that happened 2000 years ago? Plenty of things happened in the last century, and not just in Nazi Germany. Why do you think I'm referring to anythingh that happened "prior to 1AD" when it should already be obvious I too think most/all of it is BS?
So I guess I don't get to at least qualify as half Israeli? If both my parents were from Israel would I still lose that status for being born in America? Do you have American born kids? And what does it matter if they happened to be born in Israel when most people living there haven't had much ancestry there?
It really doesn't matter to me if I'm "lily white" or not - actually it doesn't even matter to me if I'm Jewish or not. I believe I already stressed this point. I only even brought it up because you assumed none of "my people" ever experienced racism, even though my grandparents had to flee Europe because of their genetics. But it doesn't even matter, what matters is what I experienced. Being white is only a liability to big time "check your privilege" people like yourself who believe in collective guilt. I do actually consider myself white (in addition to being Jewish) and I don't feel guilty over that because regardless of what you think I don't consider myself a racist or contributing to racism in America.
If you can acknowledge it exists, then why do you need to fight every time it's pointed out?
You weren't there. You acknowledge that she has faced racism in the past. So what's the problem?
I already told you, my mother is Israeli. She was born there, lived there until her twenties, moved to America, and still holds citizenship.
But that has zero real bearing on her genetic ancestry, because HER parents were both from Europe. As were my father's mother and his paternal grandparents. My mother's particular ancestry is half ashkenazi and half sephardic (her mother is a member of a group of Bulgarian Jews believed to be descended from those who were exiled from Spain)
If you want to make the claim that the Jews in Europe in the 20th century didn't share share much genetic connection to the group of people who lived in the Levant thousands of years ago then there could be something to that - I don't really know. What I DO know is that Jews in Europe for hundreds of years were a fairly distinct genetic group who faced severe persecution because of it, ie racism. They, at least very often, weren't persecuted because of their religious beliefs and denouncing their religion or customs was not enough to escape it. So while you may not consider those people to have been a race their oppressors sure as fuck did, ie racism. And people I know for a fact were my ancestors experienced that racism.
I'm not saying you're a racist I don't know you but I am saying that what the First Lady is pointing out is a real problem.
And if you are Israeli but look white I am sure you've heard racist stuff before.
Funny story I actually did a lot of research into this when I was in my early 20s. My family is friends with several Jewish families and one of them had a daughter who I was interested in. Problem was she said she "didn't date non-Jews because one day she will marry a Jew".
So I set out to prove that either A) I'm somehow Jewish enough for her to date or B) prove that she wasn't Jewish at all.
Well plan A didn't work because I just wasn't committed enough to convert. Surprisingly enough I did manage to prove that I was genetically Semitic, but not a Jew. Did not work out.
Now that I think about it she was kinda racist herself. I'll have to talk to her about that lol.
Race baiting = Racism
We don't need to divide ourselves or others based on skin tone by falling for race baiting traps that need to add race significance to situations that otherwise would not be race significant unless a race baiter interjects racism into it.
Race baiters are like drug dealers, peddling their crap around, and trying to make a living off weaknesses/vulnerability in others. That they still flourish is significant if we are going to look at racism everywhere it lies and infests. The drug of a race baiter is racism, that's what they are really peddling and this is what gives them control. It is disturbing they are granted cover over their actions due to touchiness of their product and clients.
It's insulting to those who face/faced true racism and it also undermines progress to alleviate racism. Hopefully we can call that out more, and MSM needs to giddyup on lassoing this farce to the ground and sending those invovled to the butcher.
Cliffs: It's a trap.
Let's give equal attention to the race hater baters.
Are you saying specifically that there is an identifiable problem of people being asked to help in stores because of racism? If so, can you point to any kind of support for this outside of Michelle Obama's claims?
Or are you just saying that you agree with Michelle Obama that racism is a thing that happens? Then of course she's right. I really can't see many people disputing that. But that doesn't mean that we should support or encourage her or any other member of a heavily oppressed or discriminated against group when they're wrong about something (or at the very least, make an accusation that isn't well supported by their story). I'm sorry, but seeing racism where it isn't is a real problem, and black people deserve the same expectation of intellectual integrity and lack of bias that everyone should receive.
Of course I've heard racist things before. Shamefully, my own father said some pretty racist things, and I didn't even realize it then (he died when I was 9). I'm sure you're right that there are white people who only say racist things around people they also consider white. I just haven't experienced it in my particular workplace, that's all. It's not like I talk to hundreds of people there to begin with. A lot of real racists probably also realize that they shouldn't bring out slurs even if they're among people whom they aren't slurring, at the very least because they understand they can still be fired.
These days where I see racism the most is online, where you don't really know the skin color of your audience, but are more protected by anonymity.
"Jews" refers to many different races in many different countries. Much of the "persecution" faced prior to 1AD is BS. The Jews weren't even in Egypt at the time the pyramids and Sphinx were built. But they love to take credit while simultaneously whining about stuff that never happened.
You need to let go of this BS that you are not lily white. You are white. "Jews" who are not Israeli are white.
Aren't anti-Jewish persecutions mostly an Ashkenazi thing, and mostly due to the high IQ gap between Ashenazis and local populations causing people to feel like they are being oppressed by a foreign group and then rejecting Ashkenazi influence in local law enforcement, government legislatures, etc. Brown Jews (Mizrahis, Sephardis) don't seem to have many issues settling into countries.
The other issue is cultural confidence, Askenazis have strong cultural/tribal confidence and don't believe in changing their beliefs or culture when moving into a new area, and their high iq, particularly in language proficiency allows them (IMO) to assert their culture strongly. Mizrahis and Sephardis IMO have lower cultural confidence and you can see they pick up local customs and traditions when they move to different countries which allow them to assimilate much easier.
Wow. Where do you live to hear such things weekly?!She probably has dealt with racism her entire life, and who the fuck asks random women to pick things up of shelves for them?
Whether or not this specific instance was racism is irrelevant, the First Lady's point is that black people face racism everywhere, which they do.
I am a Lebanese arab Christian, but I look 100% white so white people always assume it's ok to make racist comments. I don't hear racist comments every day, but at least once a week some coworker will say something involving "hajis" "ni**ers" or "spicks". White people are racist as fuck and they are even worse about Arabs than blacks!
So next time you're with your "white" Coworkers and you decide to show your shitty racist self, consider that any one of these coworkers might be an imposter!