Michigan cheats to win (or, Refs remain undefeated)

[hudster]

Once again, in the final minute of the game, the refs manage to have a serious impact on ultimately who "won" the game.

on ESPN.com, the article covering the Penn State - Michigan game this past Saturday ( http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=252870130&confId=null ) contains this statement:

The Wolverines then made just enough plays and had just enough time to earn the victory they -- and a much-maligned Carr -- desperately needed.

ummmm, NO!!!!, made enough plays??!?!? had just enough time??!?!?! No, the Wolverines did NEITHER.

MADE ENOUGH PLAYS:
no, with 42 seconds left in the game, Michigan QB Henne throws a 17-yard first down sideline pass to Avant. That play SHOULD NOT HAVE STOOD! The replay clearly showed the receiver's heel coming down on the white paint of the sideline. Did the officials review???? noooooooooooooooooooo, NO, of COURSE NOT! Why would they review THAT! THAT was in Michigan's FAVOR to let'em get away with that!!!! So, as usual, Penn State is playing against the opposing team AND the refs.


HAD JUST ENOUGH TIME:
No, Michigan didn't have that either. At the end of a Michigan play with about 30 seconds left on the clock, Michigan calls a timeout, and it gets called officially at 28 seconds. But thanks to Lloyd Carr who argued and begged and pleaded with the officials until they relented and had the clock operator "reset the game clock to 0:30", Michigan got 2 extra seconds. No big deal, right? what's 2 seconds? Yeah, well, with 1 second left on the clock at the end of the game, Michigan threw a touchdown pass to "win" the game.



So, in conclusion, congratulations to Michigan...it must be nice to "play" football like you're at Burger King, where you can get it your way.

And a big round of applause to the Big Ten officiating crew at that game, who managed to remain undefeated, and who without even so much as blinking an eye, managed to completely alter the national championship landscape for the 2005 season.



*** EDIT: ***
oh yes, and after the wolverines (and the refs) managed to hand PSU its first loss of the season, I'd like to take this opportunity to borrow this beautiful piece of music from our fellow Big10 members, the OSU Buckeyes, and adapt it slightly:

O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Penn State
We're from Penn State...P-S
We're from Penn State...U
O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Penn State

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

:thumbsup: to Pac-10 which uses video review.

 

[BrokenVisage]

.....you almost got me started, but tonight isn't a good night to hax0r the swear filter to make my statement!

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
:thumbsup: to Pac-10 which uses video review.

Yeah, the Big10 uses instant replay reviews too (the Big10 was the first to do that). With under 2 minutes in the PSU-Mich game, PSU caught a first-down pass. Well, of course in that case, the officials decided to review, and of course, they determined that the receiver trapped the ball, and therefore overturned the call on the field (which put PSU in a 4th-and-7 situation, which PSU managed to convert and continue the drive for the go-ahead touchdown with 52 seconds remaining in the game)

So, yeah, Big10 uses instant replay, which is exactly why I was so angry when they didn't review the Michigan reception on that final Michigan drive. :|

 

[Furyline]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
:thumbsup: to Pac-10 which uses video review.

so does the Big 10

 

[drum]

:roll:

You obviously aren't a baseball fan. otherwise you'd have asploded by now.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Furyline

Originally posted by: DLeRium
:thumbsup: to Pac-10 which uses video review.

so does the Big 10

The Big 10 actually was the forerunner on IR. They worked out the kinks for the last couple years and now it's going pretty mainstream with the rest of the conferences.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
:thumbsup: to Pac-10 which uses video review.

unless you are usc and then you can say you don't want video review and then don't use it during the game.

seirously though this argument is dumb. if they didn't have those few extra seconds they would have run the offense differently yadda yadda and still had one last shot at the endzone.

 

[TraumaRN]

Not to make you further mad but about the Avant catch if you Tivo it, his toes land inbound first and then his heel out of bounds...but the rule just says that one foot or any part of it has to be inbound...hence the no instant replay at least that's what my friend's Tivo caught.

And on the timeout....that was still iffy however I know on a reverse angle you could see Carr frantically signalling timeout as the play ends..soooo who knows

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: hudster
Once again, in the final minute of the game, the refs manage to have a serious impact on ultimately who "won" the game.

on ESPN.com, the article covering the Penn State - Michigan game this past Saturday ( http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=252870130&confId=null ) contains this statement:

The Wolverines then made just enough plays and had just enough time to earn the victory they -- and a much-maligned Carr -- desperately needed.

ummmm, NO!!!!, made enough plays??!?!? had just enough time??!?!?! No, the Wolverines did NEITHER.

MADE ENOUGH PLAYS:
no, with 42 seconds left in the game, Michigan QB Henne throws a 17-yard first down sideline pass to Avant. That play SHOULD NOT HAVE STOOD! The replay clearly showed the receiver's heel coming down on the white paint of the sideline. Did the officials review???? noooooooooooooooooooo, NO, of COURSE NOT! Why would they review THAT! THAT was in Michigan's FAVOR to let'em get away with that!!!! So, as usual, Penn State is playing against the opposing team AND the refs.


HAD JUST ENOUGH TIME:
No, Michigan didn't have that either. At the end of a Michigan play with about 30 seconds left on the clock, Michigan calls a timeout, and it gets called officially at 28 seconds. But thanks to Lloyd Carr who argued and begged and pleaded with the officials until they relented and had the clock operator "reset the game clock to 0:30", Michigan got 2 extra seconds. No big deal, right? what's 2 seconds? Yeah, well, with 1 second left on the clock at the end of the game, Michigan threw a touchdown pass to "win" the game.



So, in conclusion, congratulations to Michigan...it must be nice to "play" football like you're at Burger King, where you can get it your way.

And a big round of applause to the Big Ten officiating crew at that game, who managed to remain undefeated, and who without even so much as blinking an eye, managed to completely alter the national championship landscape for the 2005 season.



EDIT:
oh yes, and after the wolverines (and the refs) managed to hand PSU its first loss of the season, I'd like to take this opportunity to borrow this beautiful piece of music from our fellow Big10 members, the OSU Buckeyes, and adapt it slightly:

O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Penn State
We're from Penn State...P-S
We're from Penn State...U
O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Penn State

I feel your pain. :beer: is the solution.

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I feel your pain. :beer: is the solution.

thanks man. i needed that.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Not to make you further mad but about the Avant catch if you Tivo it, his toes land inbound first and then his heel out of bounds...but the rule just says that one foot or any part of it has to be inbound...hence the no instant replay at least that's what my friend's Tivo caught.

And on the timeout....that was still iffy however I know on a reverse angle you could see Carr frantically signalling timeout as the play ends..soooo who knows

USC wasn't playing a Pac-10 team last weekend so whatever. But other than that, when PAc-10 teams play each other, IR is used. Yes, Big10 is awesome for using IR.

Sketchy call... ehhh dunno

 

[mobobuff]

Sorry, bud.

 

[NeoV]

this thread sucks...

His toes came down before his heel did....not out of bounds....

coaches can call timeout...they wouldn't have given them 2 seconds back on the clock if one of the officials if he had not done so

Significantly altered the national championship race? HAH! Penn St. could very well lose 2 more games before the end of the Big 10 season...they are good, but lets not get carried away.

 

[GoingUp]

Michigan got the play off too quick. But I was hoping those bastards would lose

Hail to you masterbaters,
Hail to you fornacaters,
Hail Hail to Michigan
The bastards of the West.

 

[GoingUp]

Nice to have the home clock too, get it stopped with 1 second left.

 

[TankGuys]

Originally posted by: NeoV
...

His toes came down before his heel did....not out of bounds....

coaches can call timeout...they wouldn't have given them 2 seconds back on the clock if one of the officials if he had not done so

...

Yep. It was good footwork by Avant, and giving Michigan the 2 seconds wasn't wrong.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: hudster
*** EDIT: ***
oh yes, and after the wolverines (and the refs) managed to hand PSU its first loss of the season, I'd like to take this opportunity to borrow this beautiful piece of music from our fellow Big10 members, the OSU Buckeyes, and adapt it slightly:

O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Penn State
We're from Penn State...P-S
We're from Penn State...U
O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Penn State

And from a Buckeye fan, I'd like to thank the refs for keeping the Bucs in the chase for the Big10 title by hading Penn State that loss.

ZV

 

[theknight571]

It's called Home Field Advantage.

Anyway...if PSU is as good as everyone says they are.... it should not have come down to that play... PSU should have been blowing them out.

It really doesn't matter... I think any of the top Big 10 teams would get their backsides handed to them by the top PAC 10 teams. (At least this year )

- TK

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: theknight571
It's called Home Field Advantage.

Anyway...if PSU is as good as everyone says they are.... it should not have come down to that play... PSU should have been blowing them out.

It really doesn't matter... I think any of the top Big 10 teams would get their backsides handed to them by the top PAC 10 teams. (At least this year )

- TK

You mean the top PAC 10 team. Singular. And yes, I'll admit to that. No-one's going to touch USC this year.

ZV

 

[tyler811]

Michigan is sucking this year

 

[mobobuff]

Just watched the game again.

1. The pass was complete, he landed inbounds.
2. The timeout was called at exactly 00:32.

Heck of an ending.

 

[Leper Messiah]

quit your fvcking whinning OP. Avant's toes clearly came in before his heal hit the ground out of bounce. Ever heard of a shoe string catch?

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
quit your fvcking whinning OP. Avant's toes clearly came in before his heal hit the ground out of bounce. Ever heard of a shoe string catch?

 

[Jeff7181]

It's typical Michigan football. They always manage to pull something out of their ass at the end of a game for the win. It pisses off MSU fans all the time when the press makes it sound like they dominated the game. MSU embarassed U of M in the first half of their meeting this year... then they f-ed up and let Michigan back in the game. I've just come to accept it, being a MSU fan. Sports aren't such a big part of my life that it ruins my day or weekend when my team loses.