Michigan Protesters Cause Gridlock

[dawp]

then you have that congressperson in Indiana willing to sacrifice you to the god of money

GOP congressman says letting more Americans die of coronavirus is lesser of two evils compared to economy tanking

An Indiana congressman said Tuesday that letting more Americans die from the novel coronavirus is the "lesser of two evils" compared with the economy cratering due to social distancing measures.

www.cnn.com

 

[feralkid]

then you have that congressperson in Indiana willing to sacrifice you to the god of money

GOP congressman says letting more Americans die of coronavirus is lesser of two evils compared to economy tanking

An Indiana congressman said Tuesday that letting more Americans die from the novel coronavirus is the "lesser of two evils" compared with the economy cratering due to social distancing measures.

www.cnn.com

Republican Rep. Trey Hollingsworth should be placed at the top of the list of Gross Domestic Products.

Sieg Heil!

 

[esquared]

Ohio protesters as well. Some say it looks like the zombie apocalypse .

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article242052296.html

"A photo shot by Joshua A. Bickel of The Columbus Dispatch captured a view of angry protesters through the glass doors of the statehouse as they called on DeWine to reopen the state, according to the newspaper. "

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm quite sure @Greenman explicitly said it was the wrong thing to do. I agree with his sentiments. People mostly do the wrong things for good reasons. It is far more productive in making change by trying to understand and caring about someone's reasons even while vehemently disagreeing with their choices as a result.

When I'm doing the wrong thing because I've misunderstood a situation I like someone to point it out to me so I can learn and then do the right thing.

 

[WelshBloke]

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I'm liking the guys protesting the lockdown but not confident enough to do it without ffp3 masks on.

 

[skull]

So your saying here that our state run corporate welfare system operates proportionally neutral between corporations and the plebes? LoL....that's a good one. I suggest you take some time to review what the last 10 years have yielded for corporate america versus the working class folks.

Amounts might be different but its still the same shitty mentality of amercians that needs to change, it all comes down to the individual, CEO or blue collar.

Wait, I thought it was because they were lazy minorities and immigrants?

You must be mistaking me for a trumper.

that's great. some of us know that you have to deal with the real world as it exists.

Exactly thats all I'm asking people to do is take care of themselves and handle the real world like grown ups and not need daddy to bail them out.

I wonder what would happen to the economy if everyone on a low-income cut back spending massively in order to save like that?

You think it'd be worse than whats going to happen to the economy if we keep doing what were doing right now?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Amounts might be different but its still the same shitty mentality of amercians that needs to change, it all comes down to the individual, CEO or blue collar.



You must be mistaking me for a trumper.



Exactly thats all I'm asking people to do is take care of themselves and handle the real world like grown ups and not need daddy to bail them out.




You think it'd be worse than whats going to happen to the economy if we keep doing what were doing right now?

Corporations are people too.

 

[TheVrolok]

Corporations are people too.

Won't somebody think of the corporations?!

Or the 0.1%?!

 

[ch33zw1z]

then you have that congressperson in Indiana willing to sacrifice you to the god of money

GOP congressman says letting more Americans die of coronavirus is lesser of two evils compared to economy tanking

An Indiana congressman said Tuesday that letting more Americans die from the novel coronavirus is the "lesser of two evils" compared with the economy cratering due to social distancing measures.

www.cnn.com

It's WJWD. After all, he only flipped the tables of the money lenders to point out all the coins that had fallen on the floor.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Won't somebody think of the corporations?!

Or the 0.1%?!

"The amounts might be different", lol....ya think?

Blue collar Americans have been taking in the tailpipe in trade for massive gains by the very few under the guise of trickle down while being agit propped into thinking social wedge issues are the real problem.

Look no further than corporate welfare to see where the real degradation of America is coming from.

 

[skull]

Corporations are people too.

You forget they're run by people? You know its not just the poor that can't save right? My same customer with his two mercedes and giant house that can't afford a $400 bill to fix his furnace runs his company the same way. Hes far from the only one stupid drunken sailor mentality is in grained in most americans to have the latest and greatest, all the "nice" stuff now at all cost. 3 years out of bankruptcy time to celebrate with a brand new truck and a boat, idiots.

 

[skull]

"The amounts might be different", lol....ya think?

Blue collar Americans have been taking in the tailpipe in trade for massive gains by the very few under the guise of trickle down while being agit propped into thinking social wedge issues are the real problem.

Look no further than corporate welfare to see where the real degradation of America is coming from.

Funny I'm blue collar as they come and I'm doing just fine.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You forget they're run by people? You know its not just the poor that can't save right? My same customer with his two mercedes and giant house that can't afford a $400 bill to fix his furnace runs his company the same way. Hes far from the only one stupid drunken sailor mentality is in grained in most americans to have the latest and greatest, all the "nice" stuff now at all cost. 3 years out of bankruptcy time to celebrate with a brand new truck and a boat, idiots.

You can use anecdotes all you like. The difference between the average Americans ability to save and 1%'er comes down to survival.

We have state run corporate welfare in this country that far surpasses the impact of giving people food money, or suspending mortgage payments, or student loan payments.

Our state run corporate welfare system literally creates the situation for 10's of millions of americans that means even with a job, they're still using government services just to eat, paid for by other working class americans, not corporations.

Without jobs en mass, we get to see how really underfunded and unprepared our system is to serve the people. Whom, btw, far out number the amount of people who are CEO's or on a board of directors, etc...

Say it with me: State run corporate welfare is not in place to serve Americans.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Funny I'm blue collar as they come and I'm doing just fine.

Anecdotal. Good job! Do you want a cookie for surviving the last 50 years of top down class warfare? Do you feel like beating your chest changes the situation for other Blue collar workers who aren't? Who haven't been ?

 

[skull]

Anecdotal. Good job! Do you want a cookie for surviving the last 50 years of top down class warfare? Do you feel like beating your chest changes the situation for other Blue collar workers who aren't? Who haven't been ?

I'm still on the tools with these guys. The ones who aren't doing fine, aren't doing fine by they're own poor decisions. Just because you like to play victim doesn't mean I have to.

I'm with you on taxing the shit out of the rich and corporations to balance our budget. Just still believe in personal responsibility, despite all your doom and gloom life is not miserable for the poor in america.

You can keep crying poor me though, I got another job to bid as I climb my way over the broken and empty.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm still on the tools with these guys. The ones who aren't doing fine, aren't doing fine by they're own poor decisions. Just because you like to play victim doesn't mean I have to.

I'm with you on taxing the shit out of the rich and corporations to balance our budget. Just still believe in personal responsibility, despite all your doom and gloom life is not miserable for the poor in america.

You can keep crying poor me though, I got another job to bid as I climb my way over the broken and empty.

So now it's personal. You seem to think I'm playi g the victim and crying poor me, lol. Nope, just stating the facts bro.

This isn't some made up situation, it's very real and has real consequences.

A Guide to Statistics on Historical Trends in Income Inequality | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The years from the end of World War II into the 1970s were ones of substantial economic growth and broadly shared prosperity. Beginning in the 1970s, economic growth slowed and the income gap widened.

www.cbpp.org

You can find lots of data regarding how things have progressed since the 70's. It's real, the data isn't lyi g to us, the social impact of it isn't fake.

Now, you'll find this isn't limited to blue collar workers either. I'm in IT, which I think most consider white collar. This too has been greatly impacted by both out sourcing and in sourcing.

It's shameful to rely on strictly anecdotal situations to create your perspective. I used to do the same. As I've gotten older, I tend to prefer data.

Enjoy your crumbs, corporate America put them on the floor so you won't eat them instead.

 

[amrnuke]

I'm still on the tools with these guys. The ones who aren't doing fine, aren't doing fine by they're own poor decisions. Just because you like to play victim doesn't mean I have to.

You think the waitress who just got fired is doing poorly by her own poor decisions or volition?

I'm with you on taxing the shit out of the rich and corporations to balance our budget. Just still believe in personal responsibility, despite all your doom and gloom life is not miserable for the poor in america.

With you on this. But I also think that entities that make a lot of money should also be LESS likely to get a bailout. If all you have to do is save, and you're American Airlines, and two weeks of a downturn in business is all it took to put you in dire financial straits, then you don't have an emergency fund saved up, and you've planned just about as well as someone who didn't plan at all. I know what all the corporations are thinking: the government will bail us out. Isn't that sad? That corporations feel more comfortable about the government helping them than an actual American citizen?

You can keep crying poor me though, I got another job to bid as I climb my way over the broken and empty.

This really speaks to where you're coming from. Do you really mean, as it sounds, that "I got mine, to hell with the rest of you" ?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Boomers dont have much excuse at this point. Their FYGM attitudes have buried their children

This depressing chart shows the jaw-dropping wealth gap between millennials and boomers

Boomers had seven times the wealth at age 35 than millennials will at the same age

www.marketwatch.com

 

[ch33zw1z]

You think the waitress who just got fired is doing poorly by her own poor decisions or volition?


With you on this. But I also think that entities that make a lot of money should also be LESS likely to get a bailout. If all you have to do is save, and you're American Airlines, and two weeks of a downturn in business is all it took to put you in dire financial straits, then you don't have an emergency fund saved up, and you've planned just about as well as someone who didn't plan at all. I know what all the corporations are thinking: the government will bail us out. Isn't that sad? That corporations feel more comfortable about the government helping them than an actual American citizen?


This really speaks to where you're coming from. "I got mine, to hell with the rest of you."

I generally agree with the personal responsibility piece, but it's not the end all of the topic. It's deeper than that.

I always recommend coupling a review of the hard numbers with a viewing of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream.

When people say they want to MAGA, they're largely referring to the 50's and 60's. Decades of fighting for unionization largely had succeeded, manufacturing was here, one person could work and comfortably support a household. People tended to work a normalized work week.

It's just not the same, and not going to be that way again here without life changing social and economic upheaval.

 

[amrnuke]

I generally agree with the personal responsibility piece, but it's not the end all of the topic. It's deeper than that.

I always recommend coupling a review of the hard numbers with a viewing of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream.

When people say they want to MAGA, they're largely referring to the 50's and 60's. Decades of fighting for unionization largely had succeeded, manufacturing was here, one person could work and comfortably support a household. People tended to work a normalized work week.

It's just not the same, and not going to be that way again here without life changing social and economic upheaval.

At the least, someone had to be about 18 years old in 1969 in order to have experienced the "50s and 60s" in some realistic form - that is, knowing how unions, manufacturing jobs that paid well and had good pensions, single-worker households, and so on were at that time. Those people were born at the latest in 1951 and are now at least 69 years old and largely out of the workforce. They are the ones who have been voting heavily over the last 20-30 years to create what we have now. And now they want the 50s and 60s again?

I think that's doubtful. I think what people want from the 50s and 60s is women staying at home instead of working, pre-Roe v Wade, fewer people of color - a white-first, man-first society with Billy Graham and no government telling you to wear seatbelts, a time when seeing the doctor was cheap and medicine was cheap. And whatever, as a white male even I don't agree with it. But trying to impose what existed in the 50s and 60s on today's world is stupid because the people who want it either 1) barely experienced it, 2) didn't experience it at all and have a romanticized ideal of it, or 3) don't really want the 50s and 60s, they just see this MAGA as a way to get a new white/male/Christian-first state.

 

[ch33zw1z]

At the least, someone had to be about 18 years old in 1969 in order to have experienced the "50s and 60s" in some realistic form - that is, knowing how unions, manufacturing jobs that paid well and had good pensions, single-worker households, and so on were at that time. Those people were born at the latest in 1951 and are now at least 69 years old and largely out of the workforce. They are the ones who have been voting heavily over the last 20-30 years to create what we have now. And now they want the 50s and 60s again?

I think that's doubtful. I think what people want from the 50s and 60s is women staying at home instead of working, pre-Roe v Wade, fewer people of color - a white-first, man-first society with Billy Graham and no government telling you to wear seatbelts, a time when seeing the doctor was cheap and medicine was cheap. And whatever, as a white male even I don't agree with it. But trying to impose what existed in the 50s and 60s on today's world is stupid because the people who want it either 1) barely experienced it, 2) didn't experience it at all and have a romanticized ideal of it, or 3) don't really want the 50s and 60s, they just see this MAGA as a way to get a new white/male/Christian-first state.

Yea, that's fair. Strictly economically speaking, the working class americans were getting a YUGE piece of the pie compared to now.

 

[feralkid]

You must be mistaking me for a trumper.

Trumper? Nah, more like GMFU.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Trumper? Nah, more like GMFU.

Indeed. You don't have to be a trumper to be all in on the FYGM attitude that the GOP has perpetuated for sometime.

The Puritan "pull your own weight" is failing as automation and out sourcing quickly removed the weight to pull.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Indeed. You don't have to be a trumper to be all in on the FYGM attitude that the GOP has perpetuated for sometime.

The Puritan "pull your own weight" is failing as automation and out sourcing quickly removed the weight to pull.

it's all about that base

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251169217531056130

 

[pmv]

You think it'd be worse than whats going to happen to the economy if we keep doing what were doing right now?

Probably - because it would have happened a long time ago and been going on for decades.

The system has, for a long time, relied on people living 'beyond their means' to keep going. A kind of privatised Keynesianism.