Michigan Protesters Cause Gridlock

[Franz316]

If proven wrong time after time as Trump has had the privilege of experiencing on numerous occasions, many of his supporters like himself will ignore that fact and carry on as if their being fact checked wrong over and over again have nothing to do with their being stubbornly stupid because in their addled minds they're geniuses who can never be wrong, thus completing the unbreakable "Circle of Stupidity" they go round and round and round in.

As Moonbeam would put it, the conservative mind is very prideful deeply rooted in fear. This pride is mostly a facade to cover up the internal fear of their own inadequacies and shortcomings. They cannot allow themselves to show the weakness that is changing their mind, and hence change their beliefs. This means that the more you show them they are wrong through verifiable facts, the more entrenched in their beliefs they become. It's all about the self-preservation of their pride. The only way to change their minds is to hopefully trick them into coming to the rational conclusion themselves, so that that the pride facade is preserved.

 

[pmv]

I think the closest we can achieve is introspection on a regular basis, about anything. Self awarenesses, analyzing why we did something, reacted in a certain way, said something, etc..and changing what we don't like

I dont think all humans are capable of this.

I don't know. My upbringing means I have a built-in tendency to see everyone as formed by material socio-economic forces, and to see all beliefs as steeped in ideology. I feel reluctant to see such things as just being purely about personal character failings. And, in a slightly circular way, my tendency to do that is itself an example of what I'm talking about!

Admittedly, occasionally that breaks down in the face of American conservatives, and sometimes I find myself thinking they are just plain crazy. But I think they have reasons for being the way they are, even if they don't verbalise those reasons accurately. And nobody has a completely neutral, objective ground to stand on when it comes to morals and politics, I think.

 

[hal2kilo]

I think the closest we can achieve is introspection on a regular basis, about anything. Self awarenesses, analyzing why we did something, reacted in a certain way, said something, etc..and changing what we don't like

I dont think all humans are capable of this.

One of them worked for me. Fun review times.

 

[pauldun170]

These people are not "angry".
These people (aka selfish cunts to stupid to realize what's going on) are simply the witless tools of people who make a lot of money influencing public opinion for political strategist.

Some more food for thought

The two groups behind the “operation gridlock” rally in Michigan on Wednesday have ties to the Republican party and the Trump administration.

The Michigan Freedom Fund, which said it was a co-host of the rally, has received more than $500,000 from the DeVos family, regular donors to rightwing groups.

The other host, the Michigan Conservative Coalition, was founded by Matt Maddock, now a Republican member of the state house of representatives. The MCC also operates under the name Michigan Trump Republicans, and in January held an event featuring several members of the Trump campaign.

Thousands of Americans backed by rightwing donors gear up for protests

Conservative activists to demand governors lift stay-home orders – and movement has been driven by wealthy conservative groups

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jhhnn]

Some more food for thought

Right wing propagandists seek to create an irrational populace that's easily led. From Hanna Arendt-

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.

 

[trenchfoot]

As Moonbeam would put it, the conservative mind is very prideful deeply rooted in fear. This pride is mostly a facade to cover up the internal fear of their own inadequacies and shortcomings. They cannot allow themselves to show the weakness that is changing their mind, and hence change their beliefs. This means that the more you show them they are wrong through verifiable facts, the more entrenched in their beliefs they become. It's all about the self-preservation of their pride. The only way to change their minds is to hopefully trick them into coming to the rational conclusion themselves, so that that the pride facade is preserved.

I used that trick on my kids when they were in their "impressionable" stages of their lives. Worked every time.

For many of Trump's supporters, it's sad to think the same god-worship cult shtick they've applied to Trump will transfer over to their next idol-in-waiting "......Long live the King"

Common sense and logic have left the confines that many of Trump's minions live in never to be seen or heard from again. From what I've observed over the years, it's pure adrenaline/'roid fueled emotions that drive their decision making as far as voting for their leaders goes.

Oh well, they've been so thoroughly propagandized into believing "their way of living" will forever be destroyed the moment the commie socialist liberals take over, never paying attention to the fact that time after time when the progressives did take over "their world" didn't get burnt to ashes as their party leaders made them believe. In fact in so many ways their quality of life improved when the Dems got to call the shots. However, all these "conservatives" ever did was bitch, moan and complain how "bad" things were under Dem steerage while willfully ignoring those things the Dems won for their working class constituency.

edit - correction

 

[ElFenix]

long thread setting out how astroturfing protests like this (remember "BUT SOROS!"?) is an authoritarian technique the US used successfully to keep our various mining/farming colonies in line all through the cold war, putin uses to great success keeping himself in power in russia and keeping democracy in disarray, and which billionaires are using to keep the population in line

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251193481839742978

 

[Vic]

Remember when protesters blocking streets was bad?

True story, in 2016/2017, a real-life conservative friend of mine told me that conservatives would never protest in the streets.

 

[K1052]

Remember when protesters blocking streets was bad?

These ones have the correct complexion.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't know. My upbringing means I have a built-in tendency to see everyone as formed by material socio-economic forces, and to see all beliefs as steeped in ideology. I feel reluctant to see such things as just being purely about personal character failings. And, in a slightly circular way, my tendency to do that is itself an example of what I'm talking about!

Interesting upbringing. my evangelical upbringing means I was raised to not really challenge beliefs in a meaningful way. But, my brain never really felt "right" about it. However, many of peers were all in, no problems, still are today. It's how I formed the opinion that not all humans can do introspection in a real way. As @Jhhnn noted, he thinks everyone can do it to some degree, and that may be also. I would say that not every brain can handle the cognitive dissonance that would go along with meaningful self evaluation.

You may be right about your assertion, it totally sounds realistic. But, as discussed, we're all products of our environment, and I'll need time to roll what you said into my own critiques

Admittedly, occasionally that breaks down in the face of American conservatives, and sometimes I find myself thinking they are just plain crazy. But I think they have reasons for being the way they are, even if they don't verbalise those reasons accurately. And nobody has a completely neutral, objective ground to stand on when it comes to morals and politics, I think.

I think it's a mix of both physiological characteristics and upbringing that provides their reasoning, just like their left leaning counterparts.

Yea, I mean....there's only so much one can take when confronted with the really fanatical stuff.

 

[Exterous]

Michigan, for example, made it illegal to visit another residence, and is dictating what stores can or cannot sell.
People there got a reason.

No we don't. It's because we were being idiots about how we were handling it. People were having fucking parties all over the place and inviting all their friends over. And there were huge lines outside big box stores for gardening supplies and flowers which are far from essential at this time. We decided that if we couldn't travel elsewhere we'd rent up all the airbnbs in little communities in Northern Michigan and flock to vacation homes in areas with small community hospitals. No matter that hospitals in cities were already full enough to necessitate transferring of patients to hospitals hours away it's time to travel!

How do you think a state ranked #10 in population became #3 in infections? It wasn't by being smart and following good practices

 

[ch33zw1z]

No we don't. It's because we were being idiots about how we were handling it. People were having fucking parties all over the place and inviting all their friends over. And there were huge lines outside big box stores for gardening supplies and flowers which are far from essential at this time. We decided that if we couldn't travel elsewhere we'd rent up all the airbnbs in little communities in Northern Michigan and flock to vacation homes in areas with small community hospitals. No matter that hospitals in cities were already full enough to necessitate transferring of patients to hospitals hours away it's time to travel!

How do you think a state ranked #10 in population became #3 in infections? It wasn't by being smart and following good practices

This depicts why America will endure the harshest outcome from this SARS virus.

 

[brycejones]

One of them worked for me. Fun review times.

Those are also the people who are shocked when they are let go and don't understand why because they are "the best" and everyone around them sucks.

 

[brycejones]

No we don't. It's because we were being idiots about how we were handling it. People were having fucking parties all over the place and inviting all their friends over. And there were huge lines outside big box stores for gardening supplies and flowers which are far from essential at this time. We decided that if we couldn't travel elsewhere we'd rent up all the airbnbs in little communities in Northern Michigan and flock to vacation homes in areas with small community hospitals. No matter that hospitals in cities were already full enough to necessitate transferring of patients to hospitals hours away it's time to travel!

How do you think a state ranked #10 in population became #3 in infections? It wasn't by being smart and following good practices

So much this.

 

[Stopsignhank]

Saw this on Reddit and I like it.

 

[Stopsignhank]

740,000 people sick and 39,000 people have died, in the US only and it is a fake crisis.

I don't understand.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think we're all capable to some degree or another. Some people just don't see any value in it.

Or maybe it takes training to hone in, like any skill. And it is not something our culture attempts to recognize or promote. So nearly everyone remains ignorant of their own potential.

 

[pmv]

740,000 people sick and 39,000 people have died, in the US only and it is a fake crisis.

I don't understand.

Anger in Sweden as elderly pay price for coronavirus strategy

Staff with no masks or sanitiser fear for residents as hundreds die in care homes

www.theguardian.com

 

[pmv]

It's not clear, really, how Sweden is doing compared to locked-down countries. It's certainly not doing especially well, deaths are higher than in the comparable, low-density, Scandinavian countries. But they are a bit lower than in locked-down, but higher population-density, European countries. But they are on a noticeable upward curve. Their data seems to follow a very obvious week-long series of waves, which presumably means there are reporting issues relating to weekends.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Anger in Sweden as elderly pay price for coronavirus strategy

Staff with no masks or sanitiser fear for residents as hundreds die in care homes

www.theguardian.com

Damn that sucks.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I support protests against oppression.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think its cute how millions of dick brains honestly believe they're so much smarter than doctors and scientists.
It used to be called the Dunning-Kruger Effect but after 2020 it should be called the Donald Trump Effect.

In terms of protesting the shutdown... yes there are far too many... millions even? who claim hoax and conspiracy !@#$. Still, others are more scared about the consequences of the shutdown, of facing hunger and homelessness. Of facing entire societal collapse as things grow worse and pressure mounts. They think government is applying that pressure, so the message is "back off" before "you ruin it all". It's panic and fear, leading to civil unrest... and it just spirals.

Still, this is early. The unrest hasn't spiraled out of control... yet. However, the shutdown is going to last months? Not good.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I support protests against oppression.

Who, exactly, is being oppressed? In what ways?

 

[kage69]

Saw this on Reddit and I like it.

Sums it up perfectly.

The astroturf teahadi are back at it. Gonna be a fun election season.

 

[Jaskalas]

Who, exactly, is being oppressed? In what ways?

Employers were forcibly shut down. Employees fired. Income eliminated. Rent / mortgage missed. Homelessness, among other tragedies. The consequences grow by the week.

For the stores that remain open, Michigan ordered specially what they can or cannot sell.

• See also, Michigan order banning travel 'between residences'