Michigan Protesters Cause Gridlock

[Commodus]

I support protests against oppression.

Good thing this isn't actual oppression, then. And, for that matter, that the protesters are easily manipulated at best and insincere at worst.

 

[ivwshane]

Good thing this isn't actual oppression, then. And, for that matter, that the protesters are easily manipulated at best and insincere at worst.

Don’t you know!? It’s the people with guns who are openly carrying them in the street that are being oppressed!

 

[brycejones]

I support protests against oppression.

404 Oppression Not Found

 

[Vic]

Some people just don't understand that their rights and freedoms end where the rights and freedoms of others begin. To many of these, the fact that others even have rights and freedoms is a form of oppression by itself.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

These are people who are against the government overstepping their bounds and are just wanting to work, I don’t like the methods they’re using to go about it but I can certainly sympathize with their grievances.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I support the protesters and their right to protest in public, packed together with their brothers and sisters. I also hope they spread the virus to each other and their family, get wiped out, which results in less idiots voting for the far right in the coming elections.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I wouldn't call this oppression because the government isnt maliciously targeting a specific people group.

It's more like

https://imgur.com/dMoJWf5

I wouldn't wanna interfere with their bootstrapping tho

Edit: also nice to see pro lifers just reinforce, yet again, they're actually pro birthers

 

[Vic]

These are people who are against the government overstepping their bounds and are just wanting to work, I don’t like the methods they’re using to go about it but I can certainly sympathize with their grievances.

I 100% sympathize with the grievances of quarantine-displaced workers as well, but at the same time it seems very odd to me that all the displaced workers protesting here are the exact same crowd of MAGA extremists that have been doing the "Recall *insert Democratic governor here*" protests across the country the past few years.

Doesn't that seem odd to you as well?

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I wouldn't call this oppression because the government isnt maliciously targeting a specific people group.

But is targeting a particular group and having a malicious intent necessary to qualify for oppression though? I think people can be oppressed by a government (or anybody with power over them really) even when the intentions are good. It can be done without realizing it. I think in his case the government has all the best intentions, but there are things being done that might not only be violating our rights and liberties but also causing a lot of hardships and pain throughout the country.

This whole ordeal was unprecedented and the world seems to be scrambling to find the best way to deal with it. It's important to maintain our freedoms though, as we saw after 9/11 the government can quickly do away with our rights in the name of protecting us.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I 100% sympathize with the grievances of quarantine-displaced workers as well, but at the same time it seems very odd to me that all the displaced workers protesting here are the exact same crowd of MAGA extremists that have been doing the "Recall *insert Democratic governor here*" protests across the country the past few years.

Doesn't that seem odd to you as well?

The article said it started from a Facebook group, I don’t know what the group was about but it wouldn’t shock me if it was a political one thus all the MAGA crazies. And I’m not defending how they’re doing it at all with the traffic gridlocks. But people of all stripes are hurt by this so I wouldn’t dismiss their concerns just because of their political colors.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The article said it started from a Facebook group, I don’t know what the group was about but it wouldn’t shock me if it was a political one thus all the MAGA crazies. And I’m not defending how they’re doing it at all with the traffic gridlocks. But people of all stripes are hurt by this so I wouldn’t dismiss their concerns just because of their political colors.

The issue is, we're not the ones doing the political coloring, they are. These people constantly do that type of thing. No one is dismissing the legitimate concerns. They are dismissing the manner in which these people supposedly are trying to express theirs (which weirdly enough when we listen to these idiots, it somehow always ends up in racist/bigoted or other type of beliefs because they're idiots). What do Confederate flags have to do with this? Nothing. Yet look at them waving them around.

These groups were orchestrated by political entities explicitly for political purposes. Only a fool dismisses that aspect. Meanwhile everyone else is trying to discuss the legitimate aspects and ignore the nonsensical political shit. But its impossible to do that any more because of these types of idiots. You don't like "political coloring" then you need to realize who is actually doing that more than anyone.

Lastly, of course we can't ignore these idiots because they're the type that have been perpetrating violence. The issue is, that does not legitimize them, it makes them so that we should resoundingly tell them to fuck off with that shit.

 

[Meghan54]

The article said it started from a Facebook group, I don’t know what the group was about but it wouldn’t shock me if it was a political one thus all the MAGA crazies. And I’m not defending how they’re doing it at all with the traffic gridlocks. But people of all stripes are hurt by this so I wouldn’t dismiss their concerns just because of their political colors.

Which article were you reading?


This part....did you read?

The two groups behind the “operation gridlock” rally in Michigan on Wednesday have ties to the Republican party and the Trump administration.

The Michigan Freedom Fund, which said it was a co-host of the rally, has received more than $500,000 from the DeVos family, regular donors to rightwing groups.

The other host, the Michigan Conservative Coalition, was founded by Matt Maddock, now a Republican member of the state house of representatives. The MCC also operates under the name Michigan Trump Republicans, and in January held an event featuring several members of the Trump campaign.

Thousands of Americans backed by rightwing donors gear up for protests

Conservative activists to demand governors lift stay-home orders – and movement has been driven by wealthy conservative groups

www.theguardian.com

It's more than just a Facebook post and group starting it.......

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I agree these people seem political and of the MAGA variety, and their protest is a political one. But their concerns are shared by people of all stripes across the country. It’s not just Trumpkins who think the country is quickly sliding down a slippery slope and our freedoms are flying out the window in order to protect us.

It hasn't gotten to that point yet (except with these bozos) but if this shutdown continues much longer you’ll start to see civil unrest. Especially if this starts to effect our food supply chains.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

Which article were you reading?


This part....did you read?

Thousands of Americans backed by rightwing donors gear up for protests

Conservative activists to demand governors lift stay-home orders – and movement has been driven by wealthy conservative groups

www.theguardian.com

It's more than just a Facebook post and group starting it.......

I was reading the article in the OP. It said they were a Facebook group with ties to Devos and spent $250 to promote it. Anyways I’m not suggesting they aren’t a political group nor am I defending how they are protesting. What I’m saying is you’ll see more and more unrest like this because people are feeling a lot of economic pain as businesses are laying off and shutting their doors at a rapid pace. We've got to open the economy back up.

 

[ch33zw1z]

But is targeting a particular group and having a malicious intent necessary to qualify for oppression though? I think people can be oppressed by a government (or anybody with power over them really) even when the intentions are good. It can be done without realizing it. I think in his case the government has all the best intentions, but there are things being done that might not only be violating our rights and liberties but also causing a lot of hardships and pain throughout the country.

This whole ordeal was unprecedented and the world seems to be scrambling to find the best way to deal with it. It's important to maintain our freedoms though, as we saw after 9/11 the government can quickly do away with our rights in the name of protecting us.

It's very clear the best way to reduce transmission and deaths wont be the American way. Very clear, right from the get go. Americans like the ones agitpropped into "Liberate" were never gonna to take personal responsibility and perform the necessary methods to prevent, reduce, etc... the effects of the virus.

The states were told to figure it out, notice how only a few states are being targeted, that's on purpose.

 

[brycejones]

I agree these people seem political and of the MAGA variety, and their protest is a political one. But their concerns are shared by people of all stripes across the country. It’s not just Trumpkins who think the country is quickly sliding down a slippery slope and our freedoms are flying out the window in order to protect us.

It hasn't gotten to that point yet (except with these bozos) but if this shutdown continues much longer you’ll start to see civil unrest. Especially if this starts to effect our food supply chains.

Yes, in this time we need to ensure people can feed their families and meet their other basic needs such as keeping their homes and cars. That is a political issue that has to be addressed at the national level. I doubt you will find anyone here who would really dispute that.

The problem with some groups using this as a political opportunity (which this Devos funded group most certainly is) is that by encouraging people to break the shelter in place orders that are in place at just the time they are starting to bear fruit will cause a spike in infections that will both kill more people and also cause any public health steps to take longer and increase the economic impact.

I can't stand the level of dumbfuckery on display by so called "Freedom" groups right now.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I was reading the article in the OP. It said they were a Facebook group with ties to Devos and spent $250 to promote it. Anyways I’m not suggesting they aren’t a political group nor am I defending how they are protesting. What I’m saying is you’ll see more and more unrest like this because people are feeling a lot of economic pain as businesses are laying off and shutting their doors at a rapid pace. We've got to open the economy back up.

The essentials are still up and running. I see plenty of people out and about.

You'll certainly see more hyped up agitprop from the usual suspects.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

It’s definitely political and unfortunately Americans are caught in the crossfire like usual. I think all politicians should have their assets frozen and be forced to live on $1200 until the economy opens. They need to know the pain that many Americans are facing due to the shutdown. And that goes for Trump too. All of them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It’s definitely political and unfortunately Americans are caught in the crossfire like usual. I think all politicians should have their assets frozen and be forced to live on $1200 until the economy opens. They need to know the pain that many Americans are facing due to the shutdown. And that goes for Trump too. All of them.

They should lose their government funded healthcare as well.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

They should lose their government funded healthcare as well.

Yep agreed.

 

[Exterous]

Employers were forcibly shut down. Employees fired. Income eliminated. Rent / mortgage missed. Homelessness, among other tragedies. The consequences grow by the week.

They sure do:

Running out of body bags. People dying in the hallway. Coronavirus has Michigan hospital workers at a breaking point.

The number of patients. The severity of their symptoms. The issues with staffing, with personal protection equipment, with access to testing. Hospital staff are facing challenges they've never experienced before.

www.mlive.com

For the stores that remain open, Michigan ordered specially what they can or cannot sell.

• See also, Michigan order banning travel 'between residences'

Let's look at the massive improvements the restrictions have brought us:
Lowest daily infections and deaths this month
Lowering the curve by 65%

And there has been talk about easing restrictions in May - just 12 days away. Heaven forbid we stop visiting people for a few weeks and buying carpeting from hardware stores. I have a room to paint and, goddamnit, no one is going to trample my freedom to go buy paint! Certainly not the threat of overwhelming an already severely stressed health system with its shortages of PPE, over worked staff and shortage of body bags from the surge of people dying. And who cares if all the medical experts in the state say its necessary and can point to the data showing that its working. I want my paint!

 

[soundforbjt]

One thing everyone seems to be forgetting is the people who really need a break are the Healthcare workers. If we open up halfcocked like Trump is planning, we may be in a bigger rut than we are now. These workers need to have some down time to rest. If they fail, the front line is gone.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

One thing everyone seems to be forgetting is the people who really need a break are the Healthcare workers. If we open up halfcocked like Trump is planning, we may be in a bigger rut than we are now. These workers need to have some down time to rest. If they fail, the front line is gone.

My brother is an ER nurse and he’s had to work a little overtime but said by and large it’s not so bad. I think there are pockets through the country where the healthcare workers are being overtaxed and other areas where that’s not really the case. NYC is bearing the brunt of the virus and I’m sure the nurses and doctors there are feeling it.

 

[brycejones]

My brother is an ER nurse and he’s had to work a little overtime but said by and large it’s not so bad. I think there are pockets through the country where the healthcare workers are being overtaxed and other areas where that’s not really the case. NYC is bearing the brunt of the virus and I’m sure the nurses and doctors there are feeling it.

That's the problem with so much of this. People thinking because it isn't bad right now in their local area they don't have to take strong actions. What they miss is it is the strong actions preventing a shit show from developing in their area.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

That's the problem with so much of this. People thinking because it isn't bad right now in their local area they don't have to take strong actions. What they miss is it is the strong actions preventing a shit show from developing in their area.

It’s tough to convince people to inflict very real and permanent pain to ward off the possibility that something could happen. If you’re a healthy young person you’ll more than likely be fine if you catch it. It’s tough to convince that person that it’s for the best if they lose their job, income, way of feeding their family and giving them shelter, etc over this. Even the government help they get might help them for a couple months, but their job is permanently gone and the prospects of getting another one are slim to none. That’s an extremely tough thing to convince them that it’s for the best.