Michigan Protesters Cause Gridlock

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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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It’s tough to convince people to inflict very real and permanent pain to ward off the possibility that something could happen. If you’re a healthy young person you’ll more than likely be fine if you catch it. It’s tough to convince that person that it’s for the best if they lose their job, income, way of feeding their family and giving them shelter, etc over this. Even the government help they get might help them for a couple months, but their job is permanently gone and the prospects of getting another one are slim to none. That’s an extremely tough thing to convince them that it’s for the best.


I sympathize with their plight. What I don't like is how these tragically affected innocents are being exploited by right wing political extremist groups. It's despicable how these folks are being negatively affected in the worst ways possible of whom are nothing more than useful propaganda tools that the right wingers are manipulating for their own benefit.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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It’s tough to convince people to inflict very real and permanent pain to ward off the possibility that something could happen. If you’re a healthy young person you’ll more than likely be fine if you catch it. It’s tough to convince that person that it’s for the best if they lose their job, income, way of feeding their family and giving them shelter, etc over this. Even the government help they get might help them for a couple months, but their job is permanently gone and the prospects of getting another one are slim to none. That’s an extremely tough thing to convince them that it’s for the best.

At the same time though most people don't want to kill their parents or grandparents. If we have the political will to take appropriate actions there is no reason for their job to be permanently gone. We can get through this together, our odds of doing so successfully depend on taking decisive action and minimizing the amount of time it takes us to do so.
 

ClarkGriswold

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At the same time though most people don't want to kill their parents or grandparents. If we have the political will to take appropriate actions there is no reason for their job to be permanently gone. We can get through this together, our odds of doing so successfully depend on taking decisive action and minimizing the amount of time it takes us to do so.

I totally agree. I’ve been taking all sorts of precautions with my parents, one has diabetes and the other has asthma and their age of course. I make sure they stay home and I do all of their grocery shopping for them. When I get the groceries I don’t even go in their house just in case, I leave it outside their door and they get them when I’ve left.

We need to isolate the elderly and those with preexisting conditions and then do testing for anybody that comes into contact with them. For the rest of us though allow us to go back to work and get this economy started back up again. People will get sick and people will probably die, but people will get sick and die if there aren’t any jobs to support them having a house to live in too.
 

DarthKyrie

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I'm getting to the point with people like these that I am about ready to say fuck it and open up and let millions of them die. Stack the dead bodies in the streets like wood.
 

soundforbjt

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I totally agree. I’ve been taking all sorts of precautions with my parents, one has diabetes and the other has asthma and their age of course. I make sure they stay home and I do all of their grocery shopping for them. When I get the groceries I don’t even go in their house just in case, I leave it outside their door and they get them when I’ve left.

We need to isolate the elderly and those with preexisting conditions and then do testing for anybody that comes into contact with them. For the rest of us though allow us to go back to work and get this economy started back up again. People will get sick and people will probably die, but people will get sick and die if there aren’t any jobs to support them having a house to live in too.
Do you really want possibly asymptomatic people out in the workforce? Without proper testing how will we know?
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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I'm getting to the point with people like these that I am about ready to say fuck it and open up and let millions of them die. Stack the dead bodies in the streets like wood.
It would be better to build a bridge out of them. Trump finally unveils his infrastructure plan.
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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My uninformed reaction is that I don't understand why far more resources weren't put into mass testing as early as possible (including putting resources into developing simple reproducible tests, if necessary, both for the presence of the virus and for antibodies that showed past exposure). Across most Western countries. Surely we need as much information as possible? Both about who has the virus and who has recovered from it? Then we'd be better able to make decisions about how to deal with the outbreak. Given the cost of the lockdown itself, surely it wouldn't have cost a lot more to do huge amounts of testing?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Do you really want possibly asymptomatic people out in the workforce? Without proper testing how will we know?

I've heard a 15 minute test was finalized this past week.
How long before we have the capacity to run 150 million of these tests every week?
Somewhat doubtful we'll ever achieve that.

Making employment and "normalcy" contingent on testing seems like one hell of a stretch of a dysfunctional nation.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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I've heard a 15 minute test was finalized this past week.
How long before we have the capacity to run 150 million of these tests every week?
Somewhat doubtful we'll ever achieve that.

Making employment and "normalcy" contingent on testing seems like one hell of a stretch of a dysfunctional nation.
May be, but the consequences for doing it wrong could be devastating.
 
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ondma

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Employers were forcibly shut down. Employees fired. Income eliminated. Rent / mortgage missed. Homelessness, among other tragedies. The consequences grow by the week.

For the stores that remain open, Michigan ordered specially what they can or cannot sell.
Shit happens. Like it or not, the virus is here, it is highly contagious, and killing people. Sometimes life comes down to making the best of bad choices. The only other alternative is accepting a death toll of at least several times what we are going to see now. (currently 40,000+ and counting). Is that what you are proposing we should do?

If you have a third, better alternative, feel free to post it and forward it to the CDC.
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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Or life saving medication, food, or a roof over their heads. Stripped away by government shutdown of their jobs.

Belittling people suffering from economic devastation is going to enrage them.

How many of those are in Michigan? Looking at your article I see people in Texas being affected. Not sure how the MI policies being debated here are hurting people in Texas get their medications. You bring up 'roof over their heads' so what are your numbers on how bad that is given how many places are extending mortgage and rent grace periods? (And they would have, at most, missed one payment at this point). Food being stripped away seems excessive given that people are eligible for unemployment plus $600/week (and the vast majority of claims have been processed despite the surge in applications)

Also - people (in Michigan) actually complained about not being able to get paint, being unable to do a flooring project, along with being furious landscaping companies couldn't cut grass despite snow being on the ground and are upset that can't go vacationing despite it being proven thats how several communities got COVID spread to them.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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I totally agree. I’ve been taking all sorts of precautions with my parents, one has diabetes and the other has asthma and their age of course. I make sure they stay home and I do all of their grocery shopping for them. When I get the groceries I don’t even go in their house just in case, I leave it outside their door and they get them when I’ve left.

We need to isolate the elderly and those with preexisting conditions and then do testing for anybody that comes into contact with them. For the rest of us though allow us to go back to work and get this economy started back up again. People will get sick and people will probably die, but people will get sick and die if there aren’t any jobs to support them having a house to live in too.
This is a false choice though, for example airlines are not closed and face no restrictions whatsoever yet air traffic is down like 90%. It is fear of the virus that is destroying their business.

Until we have some effective treatment or the prospect that infection isn’t so likely or not so bad those businesses aren’t coming back anyway. If you reopened them all tomorrow they would probably get something like 30-40% of their business back. What that means is they are all going bankrupt anyway, only now we get a whole bunch of additional infections for our trouble. I mean if movie theaters reopened today and you got a free ticket, would you go? I wouldn’t.
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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Shit happens. Like it or not, the virus is here, it is highly contagious, and killing people. Sometimes life comes down to making the best of bad choices. The only other alternative is accepting a death toll of at least several times what we are going to see now. (currently 40,000+ and counting). Is that what you are proposing we should do?

If you have a third, better alternative, feel free to post it and forward it to the CDC.
hazmat suits for everyone
 
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Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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One of the things these protesters seem to forget: the virus doesn't care what you think.

You really, really think your job and desire to go the park are more important than safety? Doesn't matter, the virus will happily kill your entire family if it's so inclined. It doesn't care what religion you believe in, which political party you support or how much money you have in the bank. Really, really believing you won't get infected doesn't change reality.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I totally agree. I’ve been taking all sorts of precautions with my parents, one has diabetes and the other has asthma and their age of course. I make sure they stay home and I do all of their grocery shopping for them. When I get the groceries I don’t even go in their house just in case, I leave it outside their door and they get them when I’ve left.

We need to isolate the elderly and those with preexisting conditions and then do testing for anybody that comes into contact with them. For the rest of us though allow us to go back to work and get this economy started back up again. People will get sick and people will probably die, but people will get sick and die if there aren’t any jobs to support them having a house to live in too.
How about we get widespread testing? People who test negative go back to work with the provision they get tested regularly. As someone said, being asymptomatic is a bomb waiting to go off. If you still want to goto work if you or anyone who lives with you catches COVID refuse treatment.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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How about we get widespread testing? People who test negative go back to work with the provision they get tested regularly. As someone said, being asymptomatic is a bomb waiting to go off. If you still want to goto work if you or anyone who lives with you catches COVID refuse treatment.
All it really takes is more money and swabs. According to many authorities, there are labs sitting idle. (This is how the admin gets away with saying there are plenty of tests). Seems our wonderful private based health insurance system is not doing freebees so here we sit.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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If I get the covvy, first place I'm going is to one of these Darwin award rallies to give free handshakes and chestbumps to all the contestants.

Masks, elbow bumps, good personal hygiene are for beta male soy boys.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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All it really takes is more money and swabs. According to many authorities, there are labs sitting idle. (This is how the admin gets away with saying there are plenty of tests). Seems our wonderful private based health insurance system is not doing freebees so here we sit.

I know for a fact there are more test kits produced than have been performed.
 
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