Michigan remains #2 in BCS

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: ZeroEffect
Go Gators! (who get a chance to win their title on the field, as it should be!!) (even if it is artificial turf)

I'm a Tennessee fan and it is sad for me to say that I am rooting for the Gators to win out. I would root for Arkansas to beat them in the championship game but I think the USC loss at the beginning of the year hurts them more than Florida's loss to Auburn.

I couldn't care less if you win the national title I just don't want Michigan in there.

 

[drum]

i dont think my post was properly interpreted.

OSU clearly beat UM. trust me, I was in a OSU campus bar with my Michigan Tshirt on. I was not a popular entity, luckily my OSU friends are the reason i'm still posting today. Than said, OSU is the best team.

If Michigan doesn't get the chance to beat them again, which I think they shouldn't, OSU WILL beat whoever they face. USC, ARK, FLA. \

end of story.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
BTW, FL was ranked #3 last week.. Then, USC beats Cal and FL beats some unranked fodder by 62-0 and USC moves up in rank to take UF's spot.

I'm bitter.

Florida has been 4th for the past few weeks in the BCS standings. USC was third last week.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: drum
If Michigan doesn't get the chance to beat them again, which I think they shouldn't, OSU WILL beat whoever they face. USC, ARK, FLA.

So you think Michigan WOULD have a chance of beating them if they played again? But USC, Arkansas and Florida would not have a chance of beating them? And yet you still think Michigan shouldn't be the #2 team?

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

 

[kalster]

Florida's margin of victory will obviously be high if they schedule IAA teams and cupcakes for their OOC schedule
they only teams they really beat with a good margin are UCF, Southern Miss, and West Carolina

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

Florida v Vanderbilt - 25-19 Florida
Arkansas v Vanderbilt - 21-19 Arkansas
Michigan v Vanderbilt - 27-7 Michigan

And as for your "Florida has played arguably the toughest schedule", it's actually projected to the 7th most difficult.. behind Michigan's 4th best and USC's 1st. So yes, they have played a difficult schedule and it projects to be a top 10 schedule, but it rated as the weakest of the top three 1-loss teams.

And the reason that Michigan didn't fall in the polls (which they did.. to 3 in the two human polls the BCS uses), that is because they are perceived as being the 2nd best team in the nation. How can you tell the people that voted this way that they are wrong when they watched Michigan come within 3 points of OSU on the road? The same OSU team that everyone has said was #1 all year long.

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion.

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: kalster
Florida's margin of victory will obviously be high if they schedule IAA teams and cupcakes for their OOC schedule
they only teams they really beat with a good margin are UCF, Southern Miss, and West Carolina

Florida's OOC Schedule: Southern Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina, and Florida State
Michigans OOC Schedule: Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ball State

They each have marquee teams (FSU and Notre Dame - you can't blame Florida that FSU is having a crappy year) and 3 doormats. I don't see much of a difference quite frankly.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: kalster
Florida's margin of victory will obviously be high if they schedule IAA teams and cupcakes for their OOC schedule
they only teams they really beat with a good margin are UCF, Southern Miss, and West Carolina

Florida's OOC Schedule: Southern Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina, and Florida State
Michigans OOC Schedule: Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ball State

They each have marquee teams (FSU and Notre Dame - you can't blame Florida that FSU is having a crappy year) and 3 doormats. I don't see much of a difference quite frankly.

Record of Michigan's OOC opponents - 26-22
Record of Florida's OOC opponents - 18-26 (including a doormat 1-AA team)

Michigan's record against top 10 BCS teams - 2-0
Florida's record against top 10 BCS teams - 0-0

Computers don't care how good a team looked when you scheduled them. All that matters to the computers is results. Florida will not get a boost from the human voters for beating a Florida State team that lost 30-0 to Wake at home.

I am not trying to argue either way. I am just stating facts here.

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

Florida v Vanderbilt - 25-19 Florida
Arkansas v Vanderbilt - 21-19 Arkansas
Michigan v Vanderbilt - 27-7 Michigan

And as for your "Florida has played arguably the toughest schedule", it's actually projected to the 7th most difficult.. behind Michigan's 4th best and USC's 1st. So yes, they have played a difficult schedule and it projects to be a top 10 schedule, but it rated as the weakest of the top three 1-loss teams.

And the reason that Michigan didn't fall in the polls (which they did.. to 3 in the two human polls the BCS uses), that is because they are perceived as being the 2nd best team in the nation. How can you tell the people that voted this way that they are wrong when they watched Michigan come within 3 points of OSU on the road? The same OSU team that everyone has said was #1 all year long.

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion.

I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

 

[kalster]

teams normally dont drop a whole lot after close loss to #1 team, Notre Dame last year IIRC didnt drop a whole lot after they lost by 3 points to USC last year , that is just the way pollsters vote

Although Michigan did drop to #3 in both Coaches and Hariss poll. I think if Florida would have been playing Arkansas this week and had beaten them they would have jumped Michigan

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: lederhosen
I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

It says strength of schedule to date.

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: kalster
Florida's margin of victory will obviously be high if they schedule IAA teams and cupcakes for their OOC schedule
they only teams they really beat with a good margin are UCF, Southern Miss, and West Carolina

Florida's OOC Schedule: Southern Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina, and Florida State
Michigans OOC Schedule: Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ball State

They each have marquee teams (FSU and Notre Dame - you can't blame Florida that FSU is having a crappy year) and 3 doormats. I don't see much of a difference quite frankly.

Record of Michigan's OOC opponents - 26-22
Record of Florida's OOC opponents - 18-26 (including a doormat 1-AA team)

Michigan's record against top 10 BCS teams - 2-0
Florida's record against top 10 BCS teams - 0-0

Computers don't care how good a team looked when you scheduled them. All that matters to the computers is results. Florida will not get a boost from the human voters for beating a Florida State team that lost 30-0 to Wake at home.

I am not trying to argue either way. I am just stating facts here.

Where the hell do you get your BCS numbers? Michigan is 1-1 vs top 10 BCS teams (won at ND lost at OSU) while Florida is 1-0 vs top 10 BCS teams (beat LSU) and will get to play their 2nd top 10 BCS team in the SEC Championship game. If they win out, you think 1-1 should be ahead of 2-0?

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

Florida v Vanderbilt - 25-19 Florida
Arkansas v Vanderbilt - 21-19 Arkansas
Michigan v Vanderbilt - 27-7 Michigan

And as for your "Florida has played arguably the toughest schedule", it's actually projected to the 7th most difficult.. behind Michigan's 4th best and USC's 1st. So yes, they have played a difficult schedule and it projects to be a top 10 schedule, but it rated as the weakest of the top three 1-loss teams.

And the reason that Michigan didn't fall in the polls (which they did.. to 3 in the two human polls the BCS uses), that is because they are perceived as being the 2nd best team in the nation. How can you tell the people that voted this way that they are wrong when they watched Michigan come within 3 points of OSU on the road? The same OSU team that everyone has said was #1 all year long.

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion.

I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

Just so you know, the SOS numbers I am using are coming from collegebcs.com. I am a subscriber there. The numbers I am using are the PROJECTED numbers, not the current numbers. Florida's SOS will drop because they are playing a 6-5 FSU team. USC's SOS will go up because they are playing a 10-1 Notre Dame team.

I said it before: People are not dropping Michigan because their resume is so good for the entire year. They are 11-1 and in the proverbial clubhouse. They have an excellent record, SOS and two marquee wins over top 10 BCS teams. If anything, you should be applauding the voters for actually using their brain and forming an opinion.

Also, teams get jumped when they win. Just ask Michigan fans about 1997. They were #1 in the nation in both polls going into the bowls but they got jumped AFTER WINNING AND GOING UNDEFEATED. How is that "fair"?

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: lederhosen
I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

It says strength of schedule to date.

So you want to use your crystal ball and predict what it's going to be? All Michigan can do is drop since they have played all their games.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: drum

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

Your last point is completely subjective and your opinion? How do you know this? You don't.

1) Yes we know, but they have also beaten quite a few ranked ones.
2) Fla plays in a strong conference. I don't think they are top 5 but hey they won when they needed to to be in the running. They are a good team.
3) Arkansas is playing much better ball now. This is a major problem with the BCS, timing of losses and wins. Teams do get better or worse during the season and having 1 loss (or big win) affect the entire chance at a NC is bogus.
4) Yep. They have won since, and if they beat USC, then you should say they are a legit NC contender.
5) Yes we know they played several tough games. Have they played as many as some other teams? No. (see my post above). However, Mich is a great team and they played very well against most likely the best team in the nation.

are you serious?

Mind telling me who is even close to being as good as OSU?
if you tell me USC, I hope they win out and get embarrassed in Jan.

/go blue

OSU didn't blow out michigan. Mich hung tough but in the end is not as good. Right now OSU looks the best, but the argument is who should play them not whether they are the best.

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

Florida v Vanderbilt - 25-19 Florida
Arkansas v Vanderbilt - 21-19 Arkansas
Michigan v Vanderbilt - 27-7 Michigan

And as for your "Florida has played arguably the toughest schedule", it's actually projected to the 7th most difficult.. behind Michigan's 4th best and USC's 1st. So yes, they have played a difficult schedule and it projects to be a top 10 schedule, but it rated as the weakest of the top three 1-loss teams.

And the reason that Michigan didn't fall in the polls (which they did.. to 3 in the two human polls the BCS uses), that is because they are perceived as being the 2nd best team in the nation. How can you tell the people that voted this way that they are wrong when they watched Michigan come within 3 points of OSU on the road? The same OSU team that everyone has said was #1 all year long.

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion.

I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

Just so you know, the SOS numbers I am using are coming from collegebcs.com. I am a subscriber there. The numbers I am using are the PROJECTED numbers, not the current numbers. Florida's SOS will drop because they are playing a 6-5 FSU team. USC's SOS will go up because they are playing a 10-1 Notre Dame team.

I said it before: People are not dropping Michigan because their resume is so good for the entire year. They are 11-1 and in the proverbial clubhouse. They have an excellent record, SOS and two marquee wins over top 10 BCS teams. If anything, you should be applauding the voters for actually using their brain and forming an opinion.

Also, teams get jumped when they win. Just ask Michigan fans about 1997. They were #1 in the nation in both polls going into the bowls but they got jumped AFTER WINNING AND GOING UNDEFEATED. How is that "fair"?

But they are also playing (BCS ranked) #6.
That is why I said "generally speaking". Of course teams get jumped, but it doesn't happen very often. That doesn't matter, as we are talking about losing and not being jumped after a win.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

Florida v Vanderbilt - 25-19 Florida
Arkansas v Vanderbilt - 21-19 Arkansas
Michigan v Vanderbilt - 27-7 Michigan

And as for your "Florida has played arguably the toughest schedule", it's actually projected to the 7th most difficult.. behind Michigan's 4th best and USC's 1st. So yes, they have played a difficult schedule and it projects to be a top 10 schedule, but it rated as the weakest of the top three 1-loss teams.

And the reason that Michigan didn't fall in the polls (which they did.. to 3 in the two human polls the BCS uses), that is because they are perceived as being the 2nd best team in the nation. How can you tell the people that voted this way that they are wrong when they watched Michigan come within 3 points of OSU on the road? The same OSU team that everyone has said was #1 all year long.

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion.

I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

Just so you know, the SOS numbers I am using are coming from collegebcs.com. I am a subscriber there. The numbers I am using are the PROJECTED numbers, not the current numbers. Florida's SOS will drop because they are playing a 6-5 FSU team. USC's SOS will go up because they are playing a 10-1 Notre Dame team.

I said it before: People are not dropping Michigan because their resume is so good for the entire year. They are 11-1 and in the proverbial clubhouse. They have an excellent record, SOS and two marquee wins over top 10 BCS teams. If anything, you should be applauding the voters for actually using their brain and forming an opinion.

Also, teams get jumped when they win. Just ask Michigan fans about 1997. They were #1 in the nation in both polls going into the bowls but they got jumped AFTER WINNING AND GOING UNDEFEATED. How is that "fair"?

But they are also playing (BCS ranked) #6.
That is why I said "generally speaking". Of course teams get jumped, but it doesn't happen very often. That doesn't matter, as we are talking about losing and not being jumped after a win.

Michigan did drop. And I told you why they didn't drop further.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: lederhosen
So you want to use your crystal ball and predict what it's going to be? All Michigan can do is drop since they have played all their games.

And...? Teams that have a biweek generally get jumped by lower ranked teams that do during the season.

 

[kalster]

I think bottom line is beating a bad Iaa team is worse than hanging close with the consensus #1 team for your first loss , at the moment . If florida wins out then i am sure they will move up

 

[lederhosen]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: lederhosen

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
Of course Mich should be #2

1. USC lost to a freaking unranked team.
2. Florida almost loses most games and got owned to a 2 loss auburn.
3. Arkansas got blown out by USC
4. ND got throttled by Mich at home.
5. Michigan gave ND and Wisconsin their only losses, killed ND on the road, and lost by 3 points to a #1 team who has been dominating all year. Michigan's loss was easily the most respectable and closest out of all the 1 loss contenders.

How does this not make sense? Michigan IS the second best team in the country, none of the other one loss teams can even touch them or would be able to beat them if they had a match. Hell, I even know some USC fans who would rather go to Rose Bowl just because they know OSU would kill them.

1. True
2. Florida average margin of victory = 16.63 Michigan average margin of victory = 15.5833 Also, I don't think you can talk about other teams almost losing when Michigan comes within 8 of losing to BALL STATE.
3. I don't know how you can equate their first game with how their playing now. McFadden didn't even hardly play in the game. They are an entirely different team, but yes they lost.
4. True
5. Wisconsin hasn't played anybode else, so congratulations.

If Florida beats Arkansas I think they deserve to play in the NC. Florida has played arguable the toughest schedule in the country and have only come up short once.

Lastly, how in the hell is Michigan still ranked #2 in some human polls? Every year the pollsters vote the same way; you lose you fall spots. So now just because they lose to the #1 team they don't drop? That's crap. I don't see how anyone can justify the double standard of Michigan not dropping.

Florida v Vanderbilt - 25-19 Florida
Arkansas v Vanderbilt - 21-19 Arkansas
Michigan v Vanderbilt - 27-7 Michigan

And as for your "Florida has played arguably the toughest schedule", it's actually projected to the 7th most difficult.. behind Michigan's 4th best and USC's 1st. So yes, they have played a difficult schedule and it projects to be a top 10 schedule, but it rated as the weakest of the top three 1-loss teams.

And the reason that Michigan didn't fall in the polls (which they did.. to 3 in the two human polls the BCS uses), that is because they are perceived as being the 2nd best team in the nation. How can you tell the people that voted this way that they are wrong when they watched Michigan come within 3 points of OSU on the road? The same OSU team that everyone has said was #1 all year long.

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion.

I don't know where you got your SOS from, care to cite it? CBS Sportsline shows Michigan being 2, Florida 3, and USC 9. Anyways, the point being is that generally speaking every year pollsters drop teams if and only if they lose. Even if a team keeps on winning by 1 point every week, they almost always keep their spot. However, even if a team loses by just 3 to the #1 team (or a team ranked higher) on the road, they still generally drop at least 4-5 spots. This is the double standard that frustrates me. Even though Texas lost by a good amount how many spots did they drop when they lost to OSU? How about LSU when they lost to Auburn early in the season? It happens every week and every year without fail except now.

Also, because the voters vote like this then it does matter when you lose according to the BCS since the human polls account for 2/3 of the BCS average.

Just so you know, the SOS numbers I am using are coming from collegebcs.com. I am a subscriber there. The numbers I am using are the PROJECTED numbers, not the current numbers. Florida's SOS will drop because they are playing a 6-5 FSU team. USC's SOS will go up because they are playing a 10-1 Notre Dame team.

I said it before: People are not dropping Michigan because their resume is so good for the entire year. They are 11-1 and in the proverbial clubhouse. They have an excellent record, SOS and two marquee wins over top 10 BCS teams. If anything, you should be applauding the voters for actually using their brain and forming an opinion.

Also, teams get jumped when they win. Just ask Michigan fans about 1997. They were #1 in the nation in both polls going into the bowls but they got jumped AFTER WINNING AND GOING UNDEFEATED. How is that "fair"?

But they are also playing (BCS ranked) #6.
That is why I said "generally speaking". Of course teams get jumped, but it doesn't happen very often. That doesn't matter, as we are talking about losing and not being jumped after a win.

Michigan did drop. And I told you why they didn't drop further.

Yes, they dropped 1 spot (~80 points) whereas most teams drop 4-5 spots. LSU dropped 4 spots after they lost by 4 at Auburn in a very close game. Why didn't they stay the same or just lose 80 points like Michigan? This is the inconsistency that I'm talking about.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: lederhosen
Yes, they dropped 1 spot (~80 points) whereas most teams drop 4-5 spots. LSU dropped 4 spots after they lost by 4 at Auburn in a very close game. Why didn't they stay the same or just lose 80 points like Michigan? This is the inconsistency that I'm talking about.

I'm sure it has to do with the fact that Michigan was already 11-0 going into the game. Michigan was 11-0 and lost to the team that was perceived as being the #1 team in the country all year. They went blow for blow with the #1 team in the country on the road. They scored more points in the game against OSU than the Buckeyes had given up in SIX games.

People didn't drop them because the resume of Michigan is good enough to not drop them.

 

[Wreckem]

What I dont get is no one at all was bitching about the potential OSU vs Texas rematch before Texas lost.

Also if USC loses to ND, wouldnt that mean there would be to rematches in all likelyhood.

OSU vs Michigan in the NC game, and USC vs ND in the Rose?

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
What I dont get is no one at all was bitching about the potential OSU vs Texas rematch before Texas lost.

Also if USC loses to ND, wouldnt that mean there would be to rematches in all likelyhood.

OSU vs Michigan in the NC game, and USC vs ND in the Rose?

Quoted from one of my posts earlier in this thread:

The truth is this. If Michigan and OSU would have played in the 2nd game of the season (like OSU and Texas did) then everyone would be using the same arguments FOR a rematch (Michigan is playing better, their strength of schedule is very good, etc).

The good thing about the BCS (one of the few good things) is that it doesn't matter when you lose. I am not a BCS fan and I really don't know how I feel about a rematch, but try to be objective when you form an opinion

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
What I dont get is no one at all was bitching about the potential OSU vs Texas rematch before Texas lost.

Also if USC loses to ND, wouldnt that mean there would be to rematches in all likelyhood.

OSU vs Michigan in the NC game, and USC vs ND in the Rose?

No...because the humans who run the Rose Bowl get pick the replacement for the Big 10 champ. I would guess WVU would have the inside track (contingent on them beating Rutgers).