Nah they expect the governors to design good selling models for the auto companies too, parting lake michigan isn't enough.Originally posted by: CPA
This is not a political issue, unless you want to make it mandatory that US citizens can only purchase GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
Honestly, people, what did you think was going to happen when Toyota became the best selling carmaker in America?
On CNBC the other morning, they put up an interesting stat: for every 10 domestic automaker jobs lost, only 1 is created by the Foreign automakers in the US. Even with the Honda and Toyota plants being built, they don't need as many workers and/or aren't tied into staffing requirements by the unions.
Some of you want the domestics to compete, but don't want the reality of what it takes to compete.
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I just listened to Granholm on the TV. She seems to think that the state's problem is that it needs better K-12 education and more help for people who want to go to college. What a moron! Of course, the public just gobbles this stuff. Instead, the state needs to focus on creating a better business climate and attracting businesses. In constrast, well-educated graduates can just pick up and leave the state.
So, that will be the legacy of the Granholm Administration--she accomplished almost nothing except raising taxes a little bit and plowing it into education. Just another idiot Democrat. I'm not sure if I'd rather have DeVos; at least he has, presumably, some business sense. It's too bad that he was a religious nut. Maybe next time the Republicans will field a better candidate.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I just listened to Granholm on the TV. She seems to think that the state's problem is that it needs better K-12 education and more help for people who want to go to college. What a moron! Of course, the public just gobbles this stuff. Instead, the state needs to focus on creating a better business climate and attracting businesses. In constrast, well-educated graduates can just pick up and leave the state.
So, that will be the legacy of the Granholm Administration--she accomplished almost nothing except raising taxes a little bit and plowing it into education. Just another idiot Democrat. I'm not sure if I'd rather have DeVos; at least he has, presumably, some business sense. It's too bad that he was a religious nut. Maybe next time the Republicans will field a better candidate.
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
That's a great way to keep the Unions out. When there's no need for them they won't exist anymore. However if it weren't for Unions do you actually think that Nissan would offer all that?Originally posted by: rudder
They are all coming to Tennessee. We have Nissan... maybe Toyota now. But I bet they avoid hiring former union folks if they can. The unions have tried unsuccessfully to infiltrate Nissan.
No union at NIssan.... but go figure... people like working there with great conditions, great pay, and nice benefits.
Do you realize if not for the unions American auto makers wouldnt be in this mess?
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Exactly. The South wants to be an alternative to third world labor pools, instead of elevating themselves to compete for the high skill high paying jobs. Bottom feeder mentality if you ask me.
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Exactly. The South wants to be an alternative to third world labor pools, instead of elevating themselves to compete for the high skill high paying jobs. Bottom feeder mentality if you ask me.
A car manufacturing facility is more than just a single plant. It spurs the development of local suppliers that support the said plant. There are suppliers in Hattiesburg for the Nissan plant in Canton.
Also, these facilities are not just full of assembly line workers and robots, they still have some engineers on hand (take it they are not doing full R&D).
The OP and others from Michigan seem to be upset over losing these "mediocre factory jobs." Are they bottom feeders as well?
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I just listened to Granholm on the TV. She seems to think that the state's problem is that it needs better K-12 education and more help for people who want to go to college. What a moron! Of course, the public just gobbles this stuff. Instead, the state needs to focus on creating a better business climate and attracting businesses. In constrast, well-educated graduates can just pick up and leave the state.
So, that will be the legacy of the Granholm Administration--she accomplished almost nothing except raising taxes a little bit and plowing it into education. Just another idiot Democrat. I'm not sure if I'd rather have DeVos; at least he has, presumably, some business sense. It's too bad that he was a religious nut. Maybe next time the Republicans will field a better candidate.
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I just listened to Granholm on the TV. She seems to think that the state's problem is that it needs better K-12 education and more help for people who want to go to college. What a moron! Of course, the public just gobbles this stuff. Instead, the state needs to focus on creating a better business climate and attracting businesses. In constrast, well-educated graduates can just pick up and leave the state.
So, that will be the legacy of the Granholm Administration--she accomplished almost nothing except raising taxes a little bit and plowing it into education. Just another idiot Democrat. I'm not sure if I'd rather have DeVos; at least he has, presumably, some business sense. It's too bad that he was a religious nut. Maybe next time the Republicans will field a better candidate.
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Exactly. The South wants to be an alternative to third world labor pools, instead of elevating themselves to compete for the high skill high paying jobs. Bottom feeder mentality if you ask me.
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I just listened to Granholm on the TV. She seems to think that the state's problem is that it needs better K-12 education and more help for people who want to go to college. What a moron! Of course, the public just gobbles this stuff. Instead, the state needs to focus on creating a better business climate and attracting businesses. In constrast, well-educated graduates can just pick up and leave the state.
So, that will be the legacy of the Granholm Administration--she accomplished almost nothing except raising taxes a little bit and plowing it into education. Just another idiot Democrat. I'm not sure if I'd rather have DeVos; at least he has, presumably, some business sense. It's too bad that he was a religious nut. Maybe next time the Republicans will field a better candidate.
Centers of education attract good paying jobs, look at San Fransisco, Boston, and other centers of learning. All have decent economies and good paying jobs. The south doesn't, and get excited about mediocre wage factory jobs. Good for them.
Exactly. The South wants to be an alternative to third world labor pools, instead of elevating themselves to compete for the high skill high paying jobs. Bottom feeder mentality if you ask me.
Come visit Rutherford county just outside Nashville. Home of a Nissan plant. No bottom feeder mentality here as the county has been one of the fastest growing in the nation for a while now. Visit and look at some of the homes the employees of Nissan live in.
Originally posted by: rudder
Come visit Rutherford county just outside Nashville. Home of a Nissan plant. No bottom feeder mentality here as the county has been one of the fastest growing in the nation for a while now. Visit and look at some of the homes the employees of Nissan live in.
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The newspaper said an assembly plant in Newark, Delaware, and an engine plant in Detroit would likely be closed.
GM...Ford...and now Chrysler. I suppose it was inevitable. Looks like Michissippi takes it on the chin again.
On that note...if you're a Michigander, do you know people who've fled the state in the hopes of better job and career opportunities elsewhere?
Are there any reasons at all, aside from the slim possibility of landing a decent job, for twentysomethings to stay in the state?
Is there any hope for my beloved home state of Michissippi, or is it only going to get worse? From what I can tell, the state's politicians are completely clueless. Why not look at the economic polices of states that are doing well that are devoid of natural resources such as oil and coal and ore and copy them? Would anyone care to suggest a state that has model economic policies (taxes, regulations, or lack thereof) that Michigan could adopt (after scrapping it's own flawed taxes and regulations).
In the meantime, has the price of one-way long-distance U-Hauls skyrocketed? I can't imagine that Michigan's U-Haul shops have been the recipients of too many trucks over the past couple years. I suppose that they have to hire drivers to bring them in from other states. It might just be cheaper for a Michigander to pick one up in Indiana.
Also, should the name of the state be changed to Michissippi? At least that's what I'm going to call it from now on.
If it werent for Unions, there would be no Nissan.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
That's a great way to keep the Unions out. When there's no need for them they won't exist anymore. However if it weren't for Unions do you actually think that Nissan would offer all that?Originally posted by: rudder
They are all coming to Tennessee. We have Nissan... maybe Toyota now. But I bet they avoid hiring former union folks if they can. The unions have tried unsuccessfully to infiltrate Nissan.
No union at NIssan.... but go figure... people like working there with great conditions, great pay, and nice benefits.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: rudder
Come visit Rutherford county just outside Nashville. Home of a Nissan plant. No bottom feeder mentality here as the county has been one of the fastest growing in the nation for a while now. Visit and look at some of the homes the employees of Nissan live in.
Exactly. Most on the floor earn more than 80-90K if they are new...move on up from there, group leaders start at 150K. They do quite well and especially given the lower cost of living one can do very good at a factory. Which is more than most engineers (grunts) will ever see.
Most of them have 350K+ homes which is a 4000 square foot mansion.
Originally posted by: spidey07
sure with overtime and bonuses (sometimes 10-15K bonus), but they do make a pretty penny.
compare this to the office slave working 50 hours for much less.
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Do you know how much OT you would have to work to squeeze $16/hours into $90k a year? I think you grossly exaggerated wages for line workers at auto companies.