Microbes "eating" CO2 - Fossil Fuels On Demand

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
21,568
3
0
In theory, could be useful for those new-age coal mines that shove their emissions underground. Have some type of collection reservoir at the bottom to collect the oil/ethanol/whatever. Although caves full of this stuff may be an issue.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,131
5,658
126
Would be much better if they could make it 2 Stage:

1) CO2>>some rather safe substance, but not Fuel

2) In a highly controlled(Vats) environment, Some rather safe substance>>>Fuel
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
Would be much better if they could make it 2 Stage:

1) CO2>>some rather safe substance, but not Fuel

2) In a highly controlled(Vats) environment, Some rather safe substance>>>Fuel


Why introduce inefficiencies into the system? That makes no sense at all.

BTW Moonbeam is right, there needs to be substantial safeguards built into the system. Last thing we need is bacteria sex making them viable outside the lab.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
33,594
7,653
136
I'm just wondering if this microbe dies when released into the atmosphere, or if it has the potential to cause widespread extinction via removing CO2 upon which plant life depends.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
I'm just wondering if this microbe dies when released into the atmosphere, or if it has the potential to cause widespread extinction via removing CO2 upon which plant life depends.

I know of no way to guarantee that it couldn't happen. You could cause a mutation such that multiple nutrients were needed for it to survive, however bacteria do have sex after a fashion and normal e. coli could donate genetic material which would fix that. E. coli have one circular chromosome and can do a whole bunch of neat stuff.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,453
10,120
126
I'm just wondering if this microbe dies when released into the atmosphere, or if it has the potential to cause widespread extinction via removing CO2 upon which plant life depends.

Ever seen Giant Robo, the anime? They invented a power source based around a single-celled organism, but after a time, they would suffocate every being on the planet.
 

daishi5

Golden Member
Feb 17, 2005
1,196
0
76
I know of no way to guarantee that it couldn't happen. You could cause a mutation such that multiple nutrients were needed for it to survive, however bacteria do have sex after a fashion and normal e. coli could donate genetic material which would fix that. E. coli have one circular chromosome and can do a whole bunch of neat stuff.

I doubt these microbes would be that successful in the wild. They waste a huge amount of energy in producing the fuel instead of producing more microbes. I think the lab is more interested in protecting the microbes from outside species than protecting the outside species from the fuel producers.
 

crownjules

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2005
4,858
0
76
I doubt these microbes would be that successful in the wild. They waste a huge amount of energy in producing the fuel instead of producing more microbes. I think the lab is more interested in protecting the microbes from outside species than protecting the outside species from the fuel producers.

Indeed. These organisms already exist somewhere in the wild and haven't spread to destroy the earth. At least I'm fairly certain we're not gods yet that can create organic life from scratch.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,131
5,658
126
Why introduce inefficiencies into the system? That makes no sense at all.

BTW Moonbeam is right, there needs to be substantial safeguards built into the system. Last thing we need is bacteria sex making them viable outside the lab.

To prevent them from escaping into the Wild.
 

CallMeJoe

Diamond Member
Jul 30, 2004
6,938
5
81
Indeed. These organisms already exist somewhere in the wild and haven't spread to destroy the earth. At least I'm fairly certain we're not gods yet that can create organic life from scratch.
This is a modified version of an organism that already exists. No one made anything "from scratch".

You might note that while E. Coli thrives in intestines, it spreads rather successfully already through such vectors as meat and leafy produce. The new strain can metabolize carbon dioxide and water and might be less restricted in range.
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
39,398
19
81
, a privately held and highly secretive U.S. biotech company named Joule Unlimited received a patent

Call me cynical but allow me to translate. A company about to go public with an IPO which is highly secretive because they a full of shit just came out with the ole infinite energy bromide and wants you to buy so they can retire on a island in the Caribbean.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
lolwut?

Come on man, you must know that's a stupid point.


"Them" being bacteria. There have been outbreaks of tuberculosis and e. coli from raw milk so pasteurization was employed. The same process can be used to sterilize what these bacteria produce. Heat is applied to fuel all the time so it's not like anything is going to blow up. Of course there are other ways to accomplish this. There's no technical challenge here.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
Call me cynical but allow me to translate. A company about to go public with an IPO which is highly secretive because they a full of shit just came out with the ole infinite energy bromide and wants you to buy so they can retire on a island in the Caribbean.

This is also a distinct possibility.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,131
5,658
126
"Them" being bacteria. There have been outbreaks of tuberculosis and e. coli from raw milk so pasteurization was employed. The same process can be used to sterilize what these bacteria produce. Heat is applied to fuel all the time so it's not like anything is going to blow up. Of course there are other ways to accomplish this. There's no technical challenge here.

I see what you were getting at, the Fuel containing/or not the e-coli wasn't my concern. The Process itself was an open air(I believe)pool. My concern was the bacteria escaping and begin creating pools of Fuel in the Wild. The 2 Stage process I suggested would lower that risk by only releasing a harmless, although probably inconvenient, affect in the Wild.

The second stage would be far more contained....


....ah wait a minute, perhaps I have the Process(Open Air) wrong. They'll certainly have to take precautions, even in a large contained complex, but as long as it's not Open Air, one stage should be fine.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
19,946
2,329
126
I see what you were getting at, the Fuel containing/or not the e-coli wasn't my concern. The Process itself was an open air(I believe)pool. My concern was the bacteria escaping and begin creating pools of Fuel in the Wild. The 2 Stage process I suggested would lower that risk by only releasing a harmless, although probably inconvenient, affect in the Wild.

The second stage would be far more contained....


....ah wait a minute, perhaps I have the Process(Open Air) wrong. They'll certainly have to take precautions, even in a large contained complex, but as long as it's not Open Air, one stage should be fine.

Doesn't matter if it is open air or not. The sheer landmass alone that this stuff would take up in order to replace a our current oil use is roughly a state. Granted, we DO have the free land but making the equivalent of a state (or even 1/5 a state to replace 1/5 of our supply) secure enough to not allow bacteria to escape will be absurdly impossible.

I figure there are 2 possibilities. 1. They are full of shit/it works but could never be practical because of issues like it getting into the wild/can't be scaled up but the company still wants to make a fuckton of money by convincing investors this is the next big thing. 2. They have already figured out all of the problems we are discussing.

If they can modify it that far perhaps they can't modify it to require a very specific salinity in order to live (less than the ocean but more than fresh water). That way when it escapes, and if it is implemented on a commercial scale it WILL escape, it won't be able to use any of Earths natural water supplies and will die.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |