Microft Admits: Xbox is Dieing...

[dionx]

i want xbox to come out with a sleeker smaller design, just like PS1 did for PSX. at least get it as small as the current PS2.

 

[FrustratedUser]

<<

<< What's the hype about X-Box anyway? Look at this comparison:

X-Box:
Graphics - OK
Speed - <1GHz
Sound - Good
Ease of use - Very good
Future upgrade - :Q

PC:
Graphics - Much better than X-Box
Speed - Usually >1GHz
Sound - You set the limit
Future upgrade -


Edit: Initial table looked like :disgust: >>




You're a idiot. You can't compare consoles to a PC. They're for a different purpose. Can you get 3 friends on the couch around your computer to play football? It would probably suck if you could. Can you get any decent fighting games for the PC?

Go away. >>



And what are you? A genious? <--- Don't think so

 

[mudkiller]

umm..
microsoft windows 1.0
microsoft internet explorer 1.0
microsoft windows ce 1.0
microsoft x-box 1.0?
a trend?

 

[LH]

umm..
microsoft windows 1.0.... Todays current version is now the most popular inn the world
microsoft internet explorer 1.0... Todays current version is now the most popular in the world
microsoft windows ce 1.0... Todays current version is now the most popular in the world(most ATMs run it)
microsoft x-box 1.0?... Is the fastest selling console ever in the North American market


Everyone keeps preaching about if it fails in Japan in fails period. Nintendo MADE tons of money off the US market with the N64. As I said the US console market is out growing every other console market, and its already almost 3 times the size of Japans. I think the future will prove that Japan doesn't matter. Japan is a pittence compared to the US market. Dreamcast died because Sega was ALREADY in dire straights, when it came to money, they just couldnt afford to continue making consoles.

Sony makes 60% of its revenues from the PS and PS2. They have to stay successful, or they won't make much profit. Nintendo is stronger than MS's console divison, but on a whole, MS IS the most profitable company in the world if I recall correctly, they don't bring in as much revenue, but when it comes down to profits, they are THE TOP DOG. With anywhere from $30-60billion in cash and short term investments, plus a helluva alot more in other investments, MS, shareholders willing, could eventually conquer the console market worldwide. But as I said the US market is by far and away the largest market, and times are changing, the US market will continue to out grow every other market on a yearly basis. Japan isnt a key to success, the US market is. If it fails in the US, it loses a HELL of alot more money, than if it fails in Japan.

 

[CocaCola5]

I saw this coming, about this time last year I said MS would lose to Sony, not because PS2 is better or anything but because Sony is superior at distribution, especially in retail. Of course everyone said MS's $300 Million ads will blow Sony away.

 

[IGBT]

Saw pallets of them things selling like crazy at Costco last x-mas...

 

[Nefrodite]

I saw this coming, about this time last year I said MS would lose to Sony, not because PS2 is better or anything but because Sony is superior at distribution, especially in retail. Of course everyone said MS's $300 Million ads will blow Sony away.

um theres an industry wide downturn. but to turn more heads you write xbox in your title.

What's the hype about X-Box anyway? Look at this comparison:

X-Box:
Graphics - OK
Speed - <1GHz
Sound - Good
Ease of use - Very good
Future upgrade -

PC:
Graphics - Much better than X-Box
Speed - Usually >1GHz
Sound - You set the limit
Future upgrade -


Edit: Initial table looked like


he's mr flamebait, he made another thread on the same subject earlier. so i'll copy and paste my reply.

It's slower than a PC

not my pc.


Worse graphics than a PC

not my pc. xbox titles can be optimized at a lower level then pc titles, which is why they look so good. ever see dead or alive? oh wait, we're still playing ugly ass counter strike on pc

Worse sound than a PC

not my pc. and which pc game has sound thats so extrodinary that can't be done on the xbox? eh? yes thats right, none

Can't be used for anything than playing

thats why its 300 dollars, and can play dvds my pc's tv output can't hope to match its hd output


Upgrade path =
Less bang for the $$$ than a PC


less bang for the buck? the xbox is a 300 dollar dvd player, a game machine that can run games like halo that no current 300 dollar pc could hope to. build me a pc that could run dead or alive 3 and i'll gladly give you 300 dollars. oh yea, don't forget that controller and probably a hub. playing fighting games with a keyboard.. yea thats fun. ever wonder why these games basically never come out for pc? if they do they are nerfed anyways. oh yea, dvd games? pc games still use lousy cds. i love installing games where i have to shove in cd after cd.


xbox no crashie. no software virus. no pull hair out as some pos spyware program slowly kills my pc. no pulling hair out having to reinstall winblows. most people aren't techies either. no tweaking necessary. no having to deal with beta drivers for my new video card.


which systems plug and play? oh yes, the xbox. do i enjoy setting up my pc? no. i'd rather pay someone to do it.. driving the cost up. or have some techie build and set it up to my satisfaction. you could probably do it, but i don't trust a sniveling ignorant bitch like you.

 

[LH]

PC games use CDs because its cheaper to use CDs than a DVD, in mass amounts 4 CDs = 1 DVD. Most games use 2 CDs, so its only logical to use the cheaper CDs than DVDs.

 

[rickn]

<< Everyone keeps preaching about if it fails in Japan in fails period. Nintendo MADE tons of money off the US market with the N64. As I said the US console market is out growing every other console market, and its already almost 3 times the size of Japans. I think the future will prove that Japan doesn't matter. Japan is a pittence compared to the US market. Dreamcast died because Sega was ALREADY in dire straights, when it came to money, they just couldnt afford to continue making consoles. >>



Japan HAS a tremendous amount of muscle in the console industry. You sound like a PC junkie. Lets list the console companies that hail from Japan. Capcom, Konami, HudsonSoft, CSK, Artdink, Jaleco, Imagineer, SEGA, Warp, ASCII, TAITO, UEP Systems, Xing, MicroCabin, DataEast, Climax, Video Systems, Squaresoft, Coconuts, Chunsoft, Cave, CRI. That is just to name a few

Anyone who believes a system(not a PC in a black box) can survive without the support of them companies needs a history lesson in the console market. And the first market they always look at as a sign of success if the domestic Japanese market. Money isn't always the issue with the Japanese, unlike Americans who are swayed easily by the almighty dollar. Nintendo tried to keep Square, but Square went with Sony because of the brand recognition, the distribution, and the tremendous acceptance of the PSX/PS2 in Japan and worldwide.

 

[Shantanu]

Almost every Gaycube/PS2 fanboy here has an oriental last name...

Gamecubes and PS2's are selling well in the U.S. among orientals, who refuse to buy products from anyone who doesn't have slanted eyes. Perhaps that also explains the X-Box's lack of sales in Japan. But the X-Box is kicking some serious @ss here in the good ol' U.S. of A. Despite the attempts of domestic fanboys to thwart it, the X-Box can and will succeed.

The cutting edge of gaming is not the kind of formulaic cr@p that Nintendo, Konami, Sega, Square, et. al. put out. The cutting edge of gaming is ID Software, Epic Games, Bungie, Blizzard - all American companies. With the combined forces of these game studios and Microsoft, they will give the Japanese a spanking they have not seen since Hiroshima.

 

[ElFenix]

<< why would sony go out of business cause of the PS2? ever heard of TVs, Computers, Radios, CD, Walkmans, Cameras, etc etc - SONY IS HUGE >>

sony isn't doing well in any of their businesses besides PS.


<---- goes to play madden and thps3 on his cube, because its the best system for those

 

[ElFenix]

oops! proxy server helped me DP!

 

[Night201]

Nvidia stock down 3.22%. Coincidence?

 

[FrustratedUser]

he's mr flamebait, he made another thread on the same subject earlier. so i'll copy and paste my reply.


Waooo, and everyone here is sooo cool. LMAO!

 

[olouie]

Shantanu, why dont you open up your profile so we can see your last name? Something to hide?

Dang you must be what 13 or 14 years old at least. Cause you seem to know everything. And man you must be a real American right? Haha sure...

You, my friend should not only by spanked by your daddy (do you know who he is?) you also need to be kicked out of the nation.
I don't think anyone would miss you.

So an Asian American is an oriental and not a "real" American? Where did you come from? Native American.... think not.




PS. I like all three game consoles, but just had to relpy knowing that people such as Shantanu exist.

 

[olouie]

ElFenix, my point was that Sony will not go out of business. They might not be doing well now, but they will come back. Look at GM or alot of major companies. Sometimes they do not do well, but because of their size they are not going anywhere.

And neither will MS, they are a good company and even if they do poorly for a few years no biggie....

Anyways the market is big enough for all 3 so who really cares.

 

[spidey07]

LOL

The lack of intelligence, common sense and any accepted business practices in this thread boggle the mind. My brain hurts just from reading it.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Ok - The Xbox may not be selling as well as MS had hoped.

but...

That does not in any way mean that this system is dying. MS has sunk billions into the development and maketing of this system to gain credibility in the console marketplace. All this article means is that the xbox has been losing mo'. This is disappointing for MS, but will not stop them from reaching for the golden ring - total console domination.

MS has money to burn, and will do so - even at tremendous losses. Why? To get a foothold in the console market.

Why?

Consoles are the future of home computers. They will replace full sized home PC systems in the near future... maybe sooner than you all might think.

 

[Spoooon]

<< So an Asian American is an oriental and not a "real" American? Where did you come from? Native American.... think not. >>

 

[VTHodge]

<< Bump >>



Irony: When someone bumps a thread in which he is being flamed.

 

[hoihtah]

what? xbox is dead?
already?
it just came out?

console-abortion.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<< The saturn was a failure in the US, but a mild success in Japan and SEGA continued, the Dreamcast was a failure in Japan, and a mild success in the US.

I've been playing consoles since I was 12 yrs old, I know exactly how this industry works. And everyone knows that if the console fails to capture the hearts of Japanese gamers, it is likely to fail. >>



Bah, you do not know jack. The Saturn was a huge success in Japan, not just mild. Plus, the import gamer market in the U.S. continues to rise, while sales across the board in Japan are down. MicroSoft has the money to bring the Japanese developers on board, and is doing so.

 

[rickn]

<< Bah, you do not know jack. The Saturn was a huge success in Japan, not just mild. Plus, the import gamer market in the U.S. continues to rise, while sales across the board in Japan are down. >>



Saturn did ok in Japan, around 8 million installed userbase IIRC, compared to 1.5-2million or so in the US. That was of course way behind the PSX. Gamewise the Saturn was a much bigger success in Japan than Dreamcast was. Import gaming is still a niche market. I've done quite a bit of business with NCSX over the years. Import gaming has its perks and drawbacks. Japan has been in economic recession for awhile. PS2 still sells very well there.



<< MicroSoft has the money to bring the Japanese developers on board, and is doing so >>



It really all depends on the game developer. The Japanese have a very strange flavor for certain types of games and genre, and those types simply would flop in the US. That is why the domestic installed userbase is generally more important to the Japanese than the almighty dollar.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<<

<< Bah, you do not know jack. The Saturn was a huge success in Japan, not just mild. Plus, the import gamer market in the U.S. continues to rise, while sales across the board in Japan are down. >>



Saturn did ok in Japan, around 8 million installed userbase IIRC, compared to 1.5-2million or so in the US. That was of course way behind the PSX. Gamewise the Saturn was a much bigger success in Japan than Dreamcast was. Import gaming is still a niche market. I've done quite a bit of business with NCSX over the years. Import gaming has its perks and drawbacks. Japan has been in economic recession for awhile. PS2 still sells very well there. >>



Yeah, because it is cheaper than their DVD players.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

PlayStation is like McDonald's food. Mediocre product that does well due to vast amounts of money dumped into marketing. MicroSoft has plenty of money to do the same thing.