Microsoft 802.11g, 802.11b Wireless Hardware Hot Deals

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iliopsoas

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Originally posted by: ParatoOptimal
Has anyone seen the advert for this weekend?

Does it show the Woreless-G PCI and PCMCIA Cards for $20?

The ads I've seen only featured Linksys Wireless products. Looks like there won't be any specials on MS Wireless G.

I ordered 3 MS 802.11G PCI adapters a few days ago during the 5-hour special for $31.99 each. Was hoping to pricematch today. Gonna have to return them. LOL
 

ParatoOptimal

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I picked-up a pcmcia card but will have to return it if they don't go down to $20.

I have an OM $10 off $30 purchase I was hoping to use at OM or to get a competitor to accept.
 

allisolm

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I asked and CheapArse said that the $20 ones are supposed to be in tomorrow's ad.
 

RedShirt

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Just a quick update. I added Amazon to the list for the Xbox 802.11g Adapter. Under 60 shipped. Not half bad for anyone wanting to network up their xbox wirelessly.

I still would like to know if this thing can also be used as a bridge on a normal network (plug the sucker into a switch to basically make that switch into a wireless access point).
 

ParatoOptimal

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hmmm, I was wondering if it was tomorrow's ad that was spoken of.
Thanks allisolm, you always have the good info.

Is the ad available on their site?
Does the ad include the base stations?

PCMag, May 18, 2004 Go Wireless issue likes the M$ base station.
Does anyone know how limited they are compared to a full function router?

I called one store today that was OOS and still had them listed at $40.
I wondered if it had to be rung-in to show $20.

I'm hot for 2 PCI cards if they drop to $20.

Does anyone know if CC accepts OM coupons
or
if OM will price match to CC's $20 and still allow use of an OM $10 off $30 or $10 off $50 purchase coupon?
 

ParatoOptimal

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Pick-up a couple of PCI &/or PCMCIA cards.

Use the $10 off $30 purchase coupon snail mailed to you that expires 5/29/04 (today).
Otherwise add items and use the $10 off $50 purchase snail mailed to you as a gift card for answering their survey. You could add the HP Mouse $10-$7 rebate.

Bring the cards back to tomorrow to get a PM+15% to CC's $20 price that starts tomorrow.

That makes each card $17.
 

Kaido

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I just picked up a Microsoft 802.11b PCMCIA card from Best Buy in Baltimore for $19.99. Awesome price...I went on kind of a last-minute vacation here and the hotel happens to have wireless, and this was the best deal I saw in the store...no rebates or anything, just twenty bucks in the store. It works GREAT too...this is my first experience with wireless and I was online in a couple minutes! I can't say much for Microsoft's software, but their hardware is great...I also have one of their wireless ergonomic keyboards and it's the best keyboard I've owned.

Props to MS for cheap/good hardware
 

Slacker

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I got the notebook kit
Notebook Kit - 802.11g Wireless Network Kit (router + card)
Amazon.com: 74.88 + shipping
on clearance from Microcenter for $49.96 ymmv.
 

RedShirt

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Originally posted by: Slacker
I got the notebook kit
Notebook Kit - 802.11g Wireless Network Kit (router + card)
Amazon.com: 74.88 + shipping
on clearance from Microcenter for $49.96 ymmv.

Whoo Hoo! This is HOOOOOOOOT!
I'll update the original post with this info now.
 

Slacker

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Now dont go gettin' everybody excited, it is Microcenter B&M and I dont think they have too many locations.
 

allisolm

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Ad's finally out for Circuit City. 5/30-6/5.

805529291799/805529346048
Closeout no rainchecks

Wireless-G notebook adapter
Wireless-G Desktop PCI Adapter

$19.99 after rebates (two $10 CC MIRs )

Notebook adapter shows as not available in-store anywhere around me, only available for online ordering. desktop shows as available for me locally (Tallahassee area).
 

pilgrim2u

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My notebook adapter worked great for 3 days, then died. MS said to return it, the item has "problems"
 

RedShirt

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Originally posted by: Slacker
Now dont go gettin' everybody excited, it is Microcenter B&M and I dont think they have too many locations.

Yeah, but those who have a store near them are in for a treat. That's the price of the router alone in other places that have these things clearanced.
 

bulletpr00f

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I do not want to sound like an MS hater ... buuuut ... this is probably the worst home router I have ever seen.
The only good thing about it is the local computer installable remote router admin utility.
Today I just bought two of them from Costco and guess what, both of them are going back!

Below are its shortcomings:
1. No ability to support WEP and non-WEP clients at the same time
2. No 802.11 or 802.11a support
3. Web based admin tool is extremely slow
4. No control over wireless signal e.g. signal strength, range etc.
5. Firewall, mac filter and virtual app admin utility is just horrible. Even the initial versions of D-Link's or netgear's admin utility is better.
6. Why in the world, I need to install software on my computer to "upgrade" the firmware on the router? I bet the guys from microsoft designing this process
were smoking dope during the design session.
7. I do understand that simplicity is important but this product neither simple nor useful.
8. I have not checked it yet but I bet the firewall does not filter the UDP traffic. As usual, Microsoft does not think neither security or privacy is "that" important
9. No static DHCP

Couple positive things are
1. Encryption and decription processes for WEP are impressively fast.
2. Nice background color on the administration utility .
 

RedShirt

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Originally posted by: bulletpr00f
I do not want to sound like an MS hater ... buuuut ... this is probably the worst home router I have ever seen.
The only good thing about it is the local computer installable remote router admin utility.
Today I just bought two of them from Costco and guess what, both of them are going back!

Below are its shortcomings:
1. No ability to support WEP and non-WEP clients at the same time
2. No 802.11 or 802.11a support
3. Web based admin tool is extremely slow
4. No control over wireless signal e.g. signal strength, range etc.
5. Firewall, mac filter and virtual app admin utility is just horrible. Even the initial versions of D-Link's or netgear's admin utility is better.
6. Why in the world, I need to install software on my computer to "upgrade" the firmware on the router? I bet the guys from microsoft designing this process
were smoking dope during the design session.
7. I do understand that simplicity is important but this product neither simple nor useful.
8. I have not checked it yet but I bet the firewall does not filter the UDP traffic. As usual, Microsoft does not think neither security or privacy is "that" important
9. No static DHCP

Couple positive things are
1. Encryption and decription processes for WEP are impressively fast.
2. Nice background color on the administration utility .

Yikes. For many these problems are probably not a big issue. However, I myself have ordered one from Amazon.com and am going to be sending it back for a router that has more features (haven't even gotton it yet!).

But for people that want to have a simple wireless network in their home, once the thing is all set up, it should be more than enough for them.
 

EektheCat

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Originally posted by: bulletpr00f
I do not want to sound like an MS hater ... buuuut ... this is probably the worst home router I have ever seen.
The only good thing about it is the local computer installable remote router admin utility.
Today I just bought two of them from Costco and guess what, both of them are going back!

Below are its shortcomings:
1. No ability to support WEP and non-WEP clients at the same time
2. No 802.11 or 802.11a support
3. Web based admin tool is extremely slow
4. No control over wireless signal e.g. signal strength, range etc.
5. Firewall, mac filter and virtual app admin utility is just horrible. Even the initial versions of D-Link's or netgear's admin utility is better.
6. Why in the world, I need to install software on my computer to "upgrade" the firmware on the router? I bet the guys from microsoft designing this process
were smoking dope during the design session.
7. I do understand that simplicity is important but this product neither simple nor useful.
8. I have not checked it yet but I bet the firewall does not filter the UDP traffic. As usual, Microsoft does not think neither security or privacy is "that" important
9. No static DHCP

Couple positive things are
1. Encryption and decription processes for WEP are impressively fast.
2. Nice background color on the administration utility .

I got this router, and returned it because it didn't suit my needs, but geez:
1. A router that supports wep and non-wep at the same time? does that exist, and wouldn't that rather defeat the pupose of wep?
2. it's uh 802.11g, and supports 802.11b. You're gonna pay a lot extra for anything that supports the A standard. as for plain ol 802.11? (is there such a standard with the letter?)
3. I agree. This is one of the reasons I brought it back.
4. Again, very rare at this price point, and even so, the Linksys WRT54g is the only one I can think of (and needs the 4rd party firmware to do it)
5. Again, agreed. I think this router isn't geared toward a crowd that needs this stuff though.
6. They're MS, what do you expect?
7. It *is* quite useful, just not to *your* impossible standards.
8. Anti-MS? you? never.
9. Again, rare feature.

You may not want to sound like an anti-MS hater, but you sure did.
 

iliopsoas

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The microsoft 802.11G PCI card has been pulled from the Circuit City web site altogether. I called in to get a price adjustment and the customer service rep (Natasha with a thick Indian accent) couldn't even find the product.
 

GilletteCat

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Originally posted by: bulletpr00f
I do not want to sound like an MS hater ... buuuut ... this is probably the worst home router I have ever seen.
The only good thing about it is the local computer installable remote router admin utility.
Today I just bought two of them from Costco and guess what, both of them are going back!

Below are its shortcomings:
1. No ability to support WEP and non-WEP clients at the same time
2. No 802.11 or 802.11a support
3. Web based admin tool is extremely slow
4. No control over wireless signal e.g. signal strength, range etc.
5. Firewall, mac filter and virtual app admin utility is just horrible. Even the initial versions of D-Link's or netgear's admin utility is better.
6. Why in the world, I need to install software on my computer to "upgrade" the firmware on the router? I bet the guys from microsoft designing this process
were smoking dope during the design session.
7. I do understand that simplicity is important but this product neither simple nor useful.
8. I have not checked it yet but I bet the firewall does not filter the UDP traffic. As usual, Microsoft does not think neither security or privacy is "that" important
9. No static DHCP

Couple positive things are
1. Encryption and decription processes for WEP are impressively fast.
2. Nice background color on the administration utility .

I know that some of what this guy said has already been addressed, but think it might be a good idea to have some more remarks on the subject of this post, since a lot of people are not advanced enough to see through the bull$hit, and might forego an otherwise perfect hot deal. So, here goes:
1. When Wired-Equivalent Privacy is enabled (WEP), the communication is automatically encripted at the level you specify within you router config program (web interface) as well as within your wireless card config utility (either Windows or proprietary): 64bit, 128bit, and more recently 256bit. Thus, if WEP is your choice, not a very good one, in securing your wireless network, I double-dare you to provide me with a brand and a model number for a device that would allow WEP-encripted and a totally unencripted access simultaneously. Further more, I hope you were referring to WEP/WPA (Wi-Fi Protected Access)
WEP and non-WEP clients at the same time
. WPA is a much better and mature way to secure your wireless communication (i.e. WEP now takes entire 10 minutes to break through without any prior hacking or programming knowledge!) I can not imagine MS being a huge proponent of WPA and the underlying 802.11x (it's built-in into every win XP by default, for crying out loud), not including it into the configuration of this device (router). And even if for some oddest reason it is not included with default version of the firmware, it's either available for download and upgrade now or will be available, like tomorrow
2. Get a grip, dude What da hell have you been smoking
4. I hope you are not referring to some sort of a nub (luke a Volume on your receiver or a radio) that should have been built into this device If you are talking about the bogus feature that is included with some of the other configs (products) outthere, like in my SMC Barricade: Extended range mixed mode b and g, it's been site-surveyed time and again - nothing but marketifng fluff!!!!!! The best way to improve signal strength is to acquire a different antenna. A consumer-grade router has to come with 2db antennai by regulation, but you can purchase a 6db antenna at CC for $19.99, if my memory serves me well.
6. To configure a router via a web interface one would usually need to open a browser window to the address of such router on their network, therefore some knowledge is required on the part of the user. On the other hand, if all you have to do is plop a CD in and go through a wizard, that starts by itself too, I might add, and everything would be completed and configured in a couple of minutes, it might be very attractive to a lot of people outthere. Also, if there is no way to upgrade the firmware via web admin interface now, I am sure it will be there very soon, since it is a norm to the rest of the market.
7. Autorun on CD --> 3-4 question wizard --> Basic config is complete --> VERY DAMN SIMPLE!!!!!
9.
static DHCP
What do you think D stands for in DHCP ?!?!?!?! For those who do not know - dynamic, and therefore, not static! DHCP - Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. And yes, you should be able to disable DHCP if you want to have clients with static IP Addresses connect to the router.

I appologise if I came off way too harsh I did not mean it that way. I simply want to make sure that people who need a wireless setup at home do get on this deal, since this is definitely not a substandard product and I thought it did come out that way from the aforementioned review (1 through 9) by bulletpr00f.
By the way, do flame me, if I so deserve :beer:
 

bulletpr00f

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Ok let's the discussion begin than
1. You need WEP and non-WEP access in an environment where you have cards (like I do) from 1999/2000 (802.11 comaptible and no WEP support). I have to admit it's time to upgrade .
2. Same as 1
4. Check out D-Link 614s
6. You can upgrade from the web interface by loading the firmware from your computer.
7. I have to admit that if I went the installation route things would be simpler buuuttt call me a contol freak, I would like to do things in my way, manual way.
9. You will need static DHCP. It is a well known term obviously GilletteCat is not aware of. I recommend to GilletteCat to do a simlpe google search before posting things here. If you assign all the ip nos dynamically and you do not want to create different ip groups for static ips vs. dynamic ips, guess what you do ... . Simply specify what mac address get which dynamic IP. Voila you're done. This way all servers would still have the dynamic ip configuration. Every time they boot, they would get the same ip no from the DHCP server.

Again I just wanted to share my opinion and it is thumbs way down for this router. I'd spent $10 more and get a Dlink or netgear.

my 0.02$
 

hjlin

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Originally posted by: GilletteCat
9.
static DHCP
What do you think D stands for in DHCP ?!?!?!?! For those who do not know - dynamic, and therefore, not static! DHCP - Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. And yes, you should be able to disable DHCP if you want to have clients with static IP Addresses connect to the router.

I appologise if I came off way too harsh I did not mean it that way. I simply want to make sure that people who need a wireless setup at home do get on this deal, since this is definitely not a substandard product and I thought it did come out that way from the aforementioned review (1 through 9) by bulletpr00f.
By the way, do flame me, if I so deserve :beer:

By allowing DHCP servers to allocate/give-away static IP base on MAC address/host name, you can keep track of your static IP addresses in one location (i.e, your DHCP configuration). If you ever need to change the static IPs, you don't need to go to all of the individual machine and change them one by one. You can just change the address in the DHCP table and be done with it. With this feature, you can also have non-essential clients on dynamic addresses, and servers on pre-assigned IPs.

If you only have a couple computers in the house and MS router satisfies your needs, then more power to you. But for just a little bit more money, you could get a LinkSys WRT54G, or a Netgear, which has alot more features, better reviews, and will be better supported in the future. My 2 cents.
 

RedShirt

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If you want both WEP and non-WEP access why not just disable WEP...

That's the whole POINT, to make all your data encrypted!!!

If you allow non encrypted acces, there is no point for encryption.

I wanted to say this earlier but didn't. I still stand by the fact that there are routers out there with more features, but they cost more (or there is some crazy rebate involved), and for MOST people the MS router will have more than enough features. I am in college living with 2 other people that have computer related majors and interests, so our network is going to be a little bit more robust than most.
 

Bot69

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Originally posted by: Yo2
Originally posted by: Bot69
What do you guys think of this. Is either the USB1.0/1.1 or the 11mbps data rate limiting if I have cable internet (Time Warner)? I just ordered one for my PC even though I have no experience with wireless technology. Just felt like playing with something new. Damn tax in Cali...

The practical throughput of 802.11b is generally established at 6 mbit/s (check out most reviews) This is likely not limiting on the WAN side - fastest speeds I have seen so far are around 9.8mbit/s with cablevision's optimum online service. Most others offer between 1 and 5 mbit/s. The zonet stuff is cheap - let me know how you like it.

Works beautifully! The unit is small and light...maybe a little cheap feeling. Installation couldn't be easier. Just run the setup on the cd, restart, and plug in the adapter. Or if running XP, just plug it in.

I tested it with the Linksys wireless router hooked up to a some router box in my apartment that was 2 rooms away. I noticed webpages loaded faster than through a direct wired connection to the router box! Signal strength and quality remained at 100%. How can I test this more accurately? Are there tools on some website to measure speed, packet loss, etc?

I'm looking through the utility and see a tab called Encryption. Now I know that's encryption but is it necessary or even useful? How would I set it up? I'm able to pick 64 Bit or 128 Bit, enter 4 different "Keys", pick a key for WEP to use, pick a WEP mode, and pick an authentication type. Have no idea what this all is...
 

thawolfman

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Alright fellas, enough with the hijacking!

Anyways, any more reports of this stuff on clearance at Office Max?
 
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