Microsoft is committing suicide with Windows 8

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JKing106

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No they are not trolling with you, they see the future and want their products to adapt.



Nobody is forcing you to do anything, but if you want to use Windows 8 you will have to see the Metro UI once in a while.



This is the type of thinking that dooms companies.

They could easily cater to both desktop users and tablet users by allowing desktops users to choose which interface they would like to use. It can't be that difficult. Have a check box at first boot, then put the damn start menu code back in. It's incredibly idiotic not to allow this.
 

arod

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They could easily cater to both desktop users and tablet users by allowing desktops users to choose which interface they would like to use. It can't be that difficult. Have a check box at first boot, then put the damn start menu code back in. It's incredibly idiotic not to allow this.

I'd rather they remove as much legacy code as possible to make win8 as lightweight as possible.... to those that want it let them muck up windows and put that code back in themselves. Don't force it on the majority who will just use the new start screen.
 

JKing106

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I'd rather they remove as much legacy code as possible to make win8 as lightweight as possible.... to those that want it let them muck up windows and put that code back in themselves. Don't force it on the majority who will just use the new start screen.

Then use WinRT, and your dreams will come true. Some of us like not being forced to use something we hate in a sad attempt to bolster market share.
 

arod

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Then use WinRT, and your dreams will come true. Some of us like not being forced to use something we hate in a sad attempt to bolster market share.

then to take your own advice stay on 7.... the world is moving on and if you don't want to move with it stay in the past.
 

finbarqs

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Microsoft is doing a mistake of pushing the metro design instead of the classic desktop, the Windows desktop is a sacred foundation that should not be removed, it is what made Windows successful and it should only be improved, not replaced, if they want to try this metro UI they should sell it as a stand alone prodcut

Their success is what is making Android successful: Multi-Platform. Not "desktop" interface. But this is the wave of the future. We either adapt or go somewhere else. Unfortunately, for us purists, we're an endangered species. I'm sure Microsoft has calculated the amount of users it will loose. And then it calculated the amount of users it will potentially gain. The gain outweigh the loss.

Which seems to me that this is more of a business decision rather than a "let's be cool" trend. Tablets are the future. Desktop computing is slowly dying.... just like the optical media.
 

Zaap

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Microsoft doesn't have a handle on the future, so everyone spouting that is just showing their ignorance. Microsoft barely can keep up with the present.

They aren't leading anything with tablet interfaces. They barely even compete in that arena- in the PRESENT, let alone the future.

Apple leads the tablet space, and they prove with each OS release that they still know how to design a desktop OS as well.

If we're judging the future based on what an actual LEADER at making tablets is doing, then Apple is the future, and Microsoft is just proving itself to be the dumb frat-boys that got lucky company that many always accused it of being, that has virtually nothing going for it other than having once lucked out in achieving a near monopoly OS position that it's been exploiting ever since. They're not leading with Win8, they're making a lame attempt at following.
 

lifeblood

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Microsoft doesn't have a handle on the future, so everyone spouting that is just showing their ignorance. Microsoft barely can keep up with the present.

They aren't leading anything with tablet interfaces. They barely even compete in that arena- in the PRESENT, let alone the future.

Apple leads the tablet space, and they prove with each OS release that they still know how to design a desktop OS as well.

If we're judging the future based on what an actual LEADER at making tablets is doing, then Apple is the future, and Microsoft is just proving itself to be the dumb frat-boys that got lucky company that many always accused it of being, that has virtually nothing going for it other than having once lucked out in achieving a near monopoly OS position that it's been exploiting ever since. They're not leading with Win8, they're making a lame attempt at following.
As much as I hate Win8 I have to disagree with you. The iPad is a great piece of gear, but its not the ultimate. It has far too many places it can be improved upon. The concept of the Win8 tablet, the idea it can be a tablet and give you everyting the iPad does, but also do much of what a desktop can, is awesome. I like the idea of carrying around a tablet and using it as such, then sitting it into a dock with mouse and keyboard and using it like a desktop. Microsoft is taking a leadership role with this concept. My problem is that MS is taking a great concept and ruining it.

If anything, Apple should take note of Windows 8 and find a way to plug a keyboard into the iPad so you can do some serious work on it. `
 

finbarqs

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As much as I hate Win8 I have to disagree with you. The iPad is a great piece of gear, but its not the ultimate. It has far too many places it can be improved upon. The concept of the Win8 tablet, the idea it can be a tablet and give you everyting the iPad does, but also do much of what a desktop can, is awesome. I like the idea of carrying around a tablet and using it as such, then sitting it into a dock with mouse and keyboard and using it like a desktop. Microsoft is taking a leadership role with this concept. My problem is that MS is taking a great concept and ruining it.

If anything, Apple should take note of Windows 8 and find a way to plug a keyboard into the iPad so you can do some serious work on it. `
how is Microsoft ruining this concept?
 

Dominato3r

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Microsoft doesn't have a handle on the future, so everyone spouting that is just showing their ignorance. Microsoft barely can keep up with the present.

They aren't leading anything with tablet interfaces. They barely even compete in that arena- in the PRESENT, let alone the future.

Apple leads the tablet space, and they prove with each OS release that they still know how to design a desktop OS as well.

If we're judging the future based on what an actual LEADER at making tablets is doing, then Apple is the future, and Microsoft is just proving itself to be the dumb frat-boys that got lucky company that many always accused it of being, that has virtually nothing going for it other than having once lucked out in achieving a near monopoly OS position that it's been exploiting ever since. They're not leading with Win8, they're making a lame attempt at following.

Then why not let them take a chance?

There are just over a billion people using Windows. This release is for the next billion that have never seen a computer in their life and something new for the people that already do.
 

lifeblood

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how is Microsoft ruining this concept?
On the desktop side they're making an abomination. On the tablet side its looking OK but too expensive, though this may be fixed by cheaper Intel based tablets or the RT tablets.

Having said that, I was looking at the new touch type mouse Microsoft just announced and it may make Win 8 a little more palatable on the desktop.
 

balane

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Having said that, I was looking at the new touch type mouse Microsoft just announced and it may make Win 8 a little more palatable on the desktop.

Do you have a link to this mouse? I'm not against Metro on the desktop if it can actually be an improvement. I just don't like it the way it stands today.
 

hhhd1

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They could easily cater to both desktop users and tablet users by allowing desktops users to choose which interface they would like to use. It can't be that difficult. Have a check box at first boot, then put the damn start menu code back in. It's incredibly idiotic not to allow this.
Exactly.
I'd rather they remove as much legacy code as possible to make win8 as lightweight as possible.... to those that want it let them muck up windows and put that code back in themselves. Don't force it on the majority who will just use the new start screen.
How much code do you think that 'start menu' has ..

It does organize things better, and therefore increase productivity,
you can not say that removing it for the sake of having windows more lightweight.
having it optional, would only cost like a few extra mega bytes on the harddrive.

Adding any 3rd party application to have a start menu is just *ucking up the computer, no one like to add spam apps to windows.

saying "the majority who will just use the start screen" is not right ..

many of the people that are ok with the start screen, as you see from this forums, will try to make the best of a bad sitiuation by trying as much as possible to ignore it, and work around it, not "USE IT".
 

Dominato3r

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On the desktop side they're making an abomination. On the tablet side its looking OK but too expensive, though this may be fixed by cheaper Intel based tablets or the RT tablets.

Having said that, I was looking at the new touch type mouse Microsoft just announced and it may make Win 8 a little more palatable on the desktop.

What makes it "expensive"? Could you explain that? We have litterally no information on the cost of Windows RT tablets and only a few mentions of the x86 tablets.

Anyways:


Also there's a very brief tutorial (VERY Brief) at setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEUunlvWR58&feature=player_embedded

basic message is - explore the corners.
 
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Pretty Cool

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Adding any 3rd party application to have a start menu is just *ucking up the computer, no one like to add spam apps to windows.


A 3rd party's Start Menu is a listing of shortcuts. It is not going to fuck up your computer as it is not some full environment replacement. I use Classic Shell even with Win7, and it is not a spam app either. No offense intended but somebody just made stuff up and you believed them.

Anyhow, the rtm is starting to leak out. No more speculation about something in Win8.
 

hhhd1

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If Microsoft lost its dominance in the desktop computers, it is not getting it back easily.

Just remember Windows phone VS Android.
 

lifeblood

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What makes it "expensive"? Could you explain that? We have litterally no information on the cost of Windows RT tablets and only a few mentions of the x86 tablets.
You are right in that their are only a few Win8 tablets out or announced (The one that's out is running Win7 until Win8 is released), so I am looking at only a small sample size so far. Of those that have been announced with price, the cost is high (>=$1500). I call that expensive compared to other tablets and also to more powerful laptops, i.e., those things that it will be competing with.

As you also said, the price of the RT tablets have yet to be announced so we cannot make a comparison there. I suspect RT won't be popular with too many people because its a "closed" ecosystem. I think it will get a lot of flak for being closed which will be utterly unfair given that iPad is closed, but public opinion has never been fair.
 

GrumpyMan

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Yeah, yeah whatever. It took them a year to figure that out? Seriously? I call BS.
 
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