Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

[mxnerd]

So physical machine also installed fine. No warnings, no errors.



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C:\Users\admin>tpmtool.exe getdeviceinformation

-TPM Present: True
-TPM Version: 1.2
-TPM Manufacturer ID: STM
-TPM Manufacturer Full Name:
-TPM Manufacturer Version: 13.12
-PPI Version: 1.2
-Is Initialized: True
-Ready For Storage: True
-Ready For Attestation: False
-Information Flags Description:
INFORMATION_EK_CERTIFICATE
INFORMATION_TPM_OWNERAUTH
-Is Capable For Attestation: False
-Clear Needed To Recover: True
-Clear Possible: True
-TPM Has Vulnerable Firmware: False
-PCR7 Binding State: 0
-Maintenance Task Complete: True
-TPM Spec Level: 2
-TPM Spec Revision: 3

TPM1.2 does not support Spec Version, Errata Date, PC Client Version or Lockout Information.


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Now MS removed the Health Check app from it's website.

 

[Shmee]

Does the workaround still work with these newer builds?

Also, I have heard of concerning reports that running games with certain anti-cheat software on current windows 11 builds may cause issues or flag your game account. Something to look into and be careful with.

 

[Magic Carpet]

@mxnerd

Interesting, I wasn't able to install 10.0.22000.51 in EFI mode on my Haswell box. It lacked any form or TPM though. Had to go MBR way. Yet on my Ivy box with TPM 1.2 it installed in EFI without a hitch. Need to do more testing. I apply registry tweaks whenever I can. This thing is pretty raw and far from a final product, though.

This tool is equally as useless

Does the workaround still work with these newer builds?

It does bypass the screen and let you go on installing in, but I've encountered issues after the installation on some machines. I've tested 4 so far. On one dell laptop, I had the explorer shell constantly restarting itself in a loop, for example. Likely due to a touch pad driver I had installed previously. It's an early Dev build so issues are to be expected. No complaints.

 

[Cronox]

Trusted Plaform Module (TPM) 2.0 | Microsoft Docs

Exactly what I wanted to point out. Since something had already been decided regarding this since 2016, we should meanwhile clarify a little' the facts amid all this confusion and fix a first line of demarcation, July 28, 2016. From that date there must be no problems now in the products to enable the TPM, unfortunately it is not so. We have excluded processors that have TPM and in other cases products in which it's impossible to enable it because there is no option in the BIOS!

I don't know how far it's extended (probably far more when everyone will start checking their systems) but any product developed and sold after July 28, 2016 had to have the TPM 2.0 present and activable. If it was not done, why now this must be a problem for us? Obviously it's a rhetorical question, you can understand why...more $$ now (I don't know how consciously this was done).
I also add that since the TPM 2.0 present and activable was a Windows 10 requirement from that date, and in fact many of its features required it, in case it was not available in the products purchased as Windows 10 compatible and the product is still under warranty you should probably also claim the warranty.

I fully understand that many would like to have the possibility to try to install the new OS on their systems without restrictions and then decide depending on the results if the performance is sufficient or if it's not worth it. Usually in fact things went more or less this way. I also have several systems prior to 2016 in which maybe I would like to give it a try. But believe me, seen how usually this problems end up, we must in the meantime make them respect what they had already established (...from 28 July 2016) because otherwise we don't go anywhere. All Skylake-X, Ryzen and Threadrippers will be at least included with certainty and not only these that may "meet their principles" which is absurd!

I repeat if it were for me I would completely remove these absurd limitations decided arbitrarily since in any case the released Preview works perfectly without UEFI, without TPM and also on CPU of 10 years ago...but we must start by at least making sure that everything that was supposed to be respected is now respected.

 

[mnewsham]

So physical machine also installed fine. No warnings, no errors.

Yeah the dev ISO they just put out has no restrictions on install, they're apparently going to look at usage statistics and see how many people using it DO meet their minimum spec, and how many users don't, and POTENTIALLY adjust W11 requirements based on that.

 

[Cronox]

The ASUS notebook I have runs on a i5 8250U cpu, a processor within the cpu specifications for the new OS. UEFI allows for Secure Boot but makes no mention of the TMP.

You are not alone (and probably we are not alone), same here on different system with Ryzen 3000. UEFI allow Secure Boot but there isn't a TPM option. If past experiences have taught me anything, there will be fun when people in the following weeks start looking in their OEM systems BIOS. However as I also wrote a little above, since its presence was mandatory starting from 2016 to be Windows 10 compliant...a planned obsolescence attempt? so it's worth what I wrote in my last post.

 

[mxnerd]

I really don't care all these "minimum requirements". I'm running it (Insider Preview, not Dev) now without any problem, I didn't even do ISO mod method and it just installed flawlessly. I'm going to run the Insider Preview until the Final comes out later this year and see what happens then.

If it doesn't let me upgrade at the time, I'll just switch back to Win10, no big deal.

For those who really want to try out, install the Insider Preview on newer machine that can pass Win11 requirement, then move the disk / SSD to the machine that won't pass the test and see what happens.

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By the way, I still love classic Win7 Start menu.

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[Cronox]

They're apparently going to look at usage statistics and see how many people using it DO meet their minimum spec, and how many users don't, and POTENTIALLY adjust W11 requirements based on that.

They apparently going to look at statistics and see how many people are upset by what they intentionally planned to do to push to replace even recent PCs and adjust W11 requirements based on that

 

[mnewsham]

They apparently going to look at statistics and see how many people are upset by what they intentionally planned to do to push to replace even recent PCs and adjust W11 requirements based on that

I really don't think Microsoft gives a single solid **ck about what people think.

 

[Cronox]

The Insider Preview probably is probably now more compatible with old systems than windows 10 was

I also installed it without UEFI, without TPM, etc. with no problem on a very very old pc. We all know that unfortunately those limitations are arbitrary and that the OS could work even without them. But they will implement these limitations in the final realese rest assured. Using the Insider Preview it seems to me that it is Windows 10 with the look more towards half iOS half Linux. That's all. It could safely be a Windows 10 update as far as I've seen.

 

[crashtech]

We already know that virtually no average user is going to switch to Linux*, and why switch to Apple because the product you have been using is becoming a bit more Apple-like? MS can do whatever it wants, it has a captive audience for the most part.

*The figures I have seen point to adoption by a significant portion of power users, but that's still a single digit percentage of overall PC users.

 

[Cronox]

I really don't think Microsoft gives a single solid **ck about what people think.

I don't know, data analysis is what they live on.
You saw how they reacted right away, first by updating and then removing the tool. Too much people upset by it, but they knew that even before they published it, think about it. Then they wanted to mark the position by removing also the "hard" limits but soon after they published a blog (full of errors more or less intentional, they don't even know the CPU generations name...) statements regarding the fact that they are "considering" extending the inclusions.

We live in a world dominated by technology, but in which psychology plays an important role. On the other hand, we are just human beings, we are not as advanced as you might think, and they know it well. We react to situations and problems like hundreds of thousands of years ago.

 

[Cronox]

We already know that virtually no average user is going to switch to Linux*, and why switch to Apple because the product you have been using is becoming a bit more Apple-like? MS can do whatever it wants, it has a captive audience for the most part.

What I meant to write in fact. Instead it immediately gave me a strange impression, as if they wanted to make it more similar to the other systems I mentioned. If I decide that I prefer to use Windows it is also because it is different than iOS / "Linux" / Android. But probably everything tends to converge towards a" user experience " more or less similar regardless of the operating system chosen, too bad.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Using the Insider Preview it seems to me that it is Windows 10 with the look more towards half iOS half Linux. That's all. It could safely be a Windows 10 update as far as I've seen.

It is a 10 update. With a re-brand and a fair bit of marketing.

It should really be called 21H2. But where is the fun in that?

 

[Kenmitch]

It is a 10 update. With a re-brand and a fair bit of marketing.

It should really be called 21H2. But where is the fun in that?

That would sound funny, but at least they left it in there.

 

[Magic Carpet]

But where is the fun in that?

Smart move by Microsoft, this move will make a lot of sales. Most people will want to see the sticker Windows 11 compatible.

 

[Ajay]

That would sound funny, but at least they left it in there.

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MS punks themselves again :lol:

I hope Win11 has a good release. Win10 21H1 sucks. Killed my framerates in games. The recent patch made marginal gains in getting that back.

 

[mxnerd]

I have to admit, I really like the new UI design except the Start Menu.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Smart move by Microsoft, this move will make a lot of sales. Most people will want to see the sticker Windows 11 compatible.

Yes. Unfortunately. Gotta move some new PCs.

 

[coercitiv]

I really don't care all these "minimum requirements". I'm running it (Insider Preview, not Dev) now without any problem, I didn't even do ISO mod method and it just installed flawlessly. I'm going to run the Insider Preview until the Final comes out later this year and see what happens then.

Microsoft already said what happens then for Insiders:

While we recommend that all PCs meet the full hardware requirements for Windows 11, we are allowing some limited exceptions as we apply these new restrictions. All Windows Insiders who have already been installing builds from the Dev Channel on their PCs up through June 24, 2021 will be allowed to continue installing Windows 11 Insider Preview builds even if their PC does not meet the minimum hardware requirements. Insiders with PCs already in the Dev Channel have been installing and giving feedback on builds with Windows 11 features since last year. Our way of saying thanks is to go ahead and give them the opportunity to see everything come together.

Once Windows 11 is generally available, these PCs will be opted out of flighting and will not be able to receive future Windows 11 Insider Preview builds. These PCs must clean install back to Windows 10 with the media (ISOs) that we provide and can then join the Release Preview Channel to preview Windows 10 updates.

Even if you have TPM 2.0 compatibility you will still need to have a compatible CPU. If you don't then your only chance is for MS to downgrade requirements a bit. Apparently the CPU requirements are again based on security features, one of which not mentioned until now being
Virtualization-Based Security capabilities.

People can post about all kinds of workarounds for installing current Win 11 builds, but the reality is future builds and more importantly future updates won't be as easy to handle unless MS decides to relax requirements.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Yes. Unfortunately. Gotta move some new PCs.

Question is, why do you need Windows 11 in the first place on those machines. Except for that rounded UI or smarter Multi Monitor support, I see little reason to upgrade. Windows 10 has mainstream support until 2025 plus 3 years of extended support. Plenty of time left. You'd really want a built-in TPM 2.0 module for Windows 11 to make sense in the security department.

This is also an interesting article.

EDIT: Windows 11 taskbar size registry tweak (a must have).

start button now in the middle.

That can be changed by the way in the settings.

Slightly annoyed that I can not get rid of that pop up effect (aka Windows 98). I prefer zero delay in UI animation.

Found it:




AND

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"MenuShowDelay"="0"

NOW, the whole UI experience feels A LOT snappier.

 

[SKORPI0]

My sept.2012 built (x79 sabertooth, i7 3930k, 32gb ddr3) with latest window 10 dev.preview updated to windows 11 enterprise 21H2 build 22000.51 (Windows Feature Experience Pack 421.16.300.03) not knowing that it would do so. Checked bios prior to this and motherboard has no TMP 2.0. Noticed small differences.. start button now in the middle. Windows with rounded corners. desktop background (2 27" 1400p monitors) did not change, but windows 11 background is selectable. Icons are mostly unchanged.

 

[coercitiv]

Windows 10 has mainstream support until 2025 plus 3 years or extended support.

Do we have a source for that? All I know so far is in this article, which means that as of right now we have no idea on when Win 10 extended support ends.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Do we have a source for that? All I know so far is in this article, which means that as of right now we have no idea on when Win 10 extended support ends.

Windows 10 Home and Pro - Microsoft Lifecycle | Microsoft Docs 2) 2019 LTSC Build support until 2029. Win10 is going to be the new Win7 (Chrome support ends on the 15th of Jan 2022). Get ready to retire Windows 7 machines folks.

EDIT: Anybody know how to force the second mouse right click screen on desktop? Double clicking is way too annoying.

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[mxnerd]

Once Windows 11 is generally available, these PCs will be opted out of flighting and will not be able to receive future Windows 11 Insider Preview builds. These PCs must clean install back to Windows 10 with the media (ISOs) that we provide and can then join the Release Preview Channel to preview Windows 10 updates.

I'm actually dual booting WIn10/Win11, so I can switch back anytime without reinstalling Win10. I'll buy a new machine when I really feel that I need to.