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TreyRandom

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It just ticks me off when someone comes asking for an AV recommendation and people tell him to install MSE! That's the worst AV out of the lot and it doesn't even classify as an AV. I have an COMPTIA Security+ Certificate and know better than to use MSE.

I have a couple of minor certifications that you might have heard of (see sig) and have absolutely no problems using MSE.

Another MSE thread going... precisely as expected 'round these parts. Personal threats and overstated AV statistics abound! We even got our daily dose of someone throwing around an entry level cert like it holds some sort of god-given weight

But jokes aside, MSE still holds above a 90% detection rate. It's free, it's low profile, it's easy on resources, and there's no daily *CLICK HERE TO BUY THE FULL VERSION* advertisement. In my book, it does precisely what an AV program is supposed to, act as a mostly reliable LAST line of defense for someone with risky computing habits. If you want to argue about zero day threats and all that, it's just a round robin of which AVs are going to miss which new threats on any given day. And if I have a specific file i'm extra concerned about, I scan it with any number of online on-demand scanners that pass it through dozens of AV engines.

If this were Facebook, I'd like this post so hard, so fast.
 

sweenish

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See comments, it's a recycled review.

Which means it's not valid.

Based on your level of trust for the other garbage security sites, comments are probably taken as gospel.
 

Berryracer

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See comments, it's a recycled review.

Which means it's not valid.

Based on your level of trust for the other garbage security sites, comments are probably taken as gospel.
Right, so AV Comparatives and AV-TEST the top virus testing labs are garbage.I rest my case....there is no use of arguing with you guys. Please use Windows Defender and enjoy it.
 

GrumpyMan

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I like MSE because, well, it's just 3 letters and it's easy to pronounce. I mean look at the other names, Bitdefender, Avira, Norton, Kaspersky? Way too many letters, well I guess AVG is also ok because it also has 3 letters. Too many letters, can't be good if you ask me and I have a cert too, KFC (I like fried chicken).
 

TheRyuu

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Again I believe I've mentioned this before but I'm not using MSE/Defender for high detection rates. I'm using it because it won't cause compatibility issues or anything like that. I'm also not a fan of the signature base detection or heuristics they often use.

I'll rely on common sense and other mitigations to protect myself (along with backing up critical stuff). Signature based detection may have been ok 10+ years ago but it doesn't really cut it today so why bother giving yourself headaches with third-party A/V's?
 

Morbus

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Again I believe I've mentioned this before but I'm not using MSE/Defender for high detection rates. I'm using it because it won't cause compatibility issues or anything like that.

Hey, 2001 called, and they want their compatibility issues back.

I haven't seen compatibility issues in an AV suite since forever. If the only reason to use that hunk of crap is that, then I don't know what to say other than "get real mate!"

And besides, is there any actual proof that Windows Defender or MSE will cause any less problems than proper anti virus software? Or are "we" all just jumping to the conclusion that "since it's from Microsoft it must be stable"? Because last time I checked, Microsoft isn't known for having stable, well behaved applications. Outlook is the worst, Internet Explorer is the worst, Sharepoint is the worst, and then you have Windows 8, that VM software thingy they have...

Microsoft is the kind of company that, if a popup comes up with a request for me to change something, I will most definitely choose that option that isn't labeled as "recommended" or just click "cancel" outright. "Oh, Microsoft recommends it? Then it must be shite."

And I know I'm not alone. And my attitude certainly isn't because of prejudice, it's because of experience.
 
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Berryracer

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Hey, 2001 called, and they want their compatibility issues back.

I haven't seen compatibility issues in an AV suite since forever. If the only reason to use that hunk of crap is that, then I don't know what to say other than "get real mate!"

And besides, is there any actual proof that Windows Defender or MSE will cause any less problems than proper anti virus software? Or are "we" all just jumping to the conclusion that "since it's from Microsoft it must be stable"? Because last time I checked, Microsoft isn't known for having stable, well behaved applications. Outlook is the worst, Internet Explorer is the worst, Sharepoint is the worst, and then you have Windows 8, that VM software thingy they have...

Microsoft is the kind of company that, if a popup comes up with a request for me to change something, I will most definitely choose that option that isn't labeled as "recommended" or just click "cancel" outright. "Oh, Microsoft recommends it? Then it must be shite."

And I know I'm not alone. And my attitude certainly isn't because of prejudice, it's because of experience.

Thank you sir for this great post! Finally someone with a little bit of common sense chimes in I was alone trying to convince these WD/MSE Kook Aid crowd that there are better and free options but nooo.... they've never been infected and it comes preinstalled with Windows (WOW as if they needed to take a computer course for double clicking a SETUP.exe) file of a program......
 

MongGrel

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Thank you sir for this great post! Finally someone with a little bit of common sense chimes in I was alone trying to convince these WD/MSE Kook Aid crowd that there are better and free options but nooo.... they've never been infected and it comes preinstalled with Windows (WOW as if they needed to take a computer course for double clicking a SETUP.exe) file of a program......

Twit.



NoScript helps also.
 
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Mushkins

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Hey, 2001 called, and they want their compatibility issues back.

I haven't seen compatibility issues in an AV suite since forever. If the only reason to use that hunk of crap is that, then I don't know what to say other than "get real mate!"

And besides, is there any actual proof that Windows Defender or MSE will cause any less problems than proper anti virus software? Or are "we" all just jumping to the conclusion that "since it's from Microsoft it must be stable"? Because last time I checked, Microsoft isn't known for having stable, well behaved applications. Outlook is the worst, Internet Explorer is the worst, Sharepoint is the worst, and then you have Windows 8, that VM software thingy they have...

Microsoft is the kind of company that, if a popup comes up with a request for me to change something, I will most definitely choose that option that isn't labeled as "recommended" or just click "cancel" outright. "Oh, Microsoft recommends it? Then it must be shite."

And I know I'm not alone. And my attitude certainly isn't because of prejudice, it's because of experience.

So you're ragging on people for using anecdotal experience, then go on to use anecdotal experience to support your point? I could throw just as much anecdotal evidence right back at you about Outlook/IE/MSE/etc showing a completely different experience than what you're saying, and I can also point out god knows how many compatibility issues I've run into with modern third-party AV (especially free versions), but I won't because in this context it's completely meaningless he-said-she-said. As a tech focused person you should clearly understand that every config is different and there's problems with *any* software.

Nobody's arguing that other AVs tend to have a better detection rate than MSE, but detection rates aren't the *only* metric to judge a tool by, nor does something not being the best tool automatically mean it's a poor tool.

Drop the MS hate agenda, stop swigging from your own cup of kool-aid, and take the time to understand that it's all about picking the right tool for the job.
 

Ryland

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I have only had machines infected while using MSE and switched to Avast after that and havent had any infections or system related issues.
 

Morbus

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So you're ragging on people for using anecdotal experience, then go on to use anecdotal experience to support your point?

I know, ain't it awesome?

Anyway, I rag on people for using software for a bad reason, but because of their experience.
 

JamesV

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Jul 9, 2011
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I use MSE and Malwarebytes, and haven't had any issues.

I regularly check my Window's logs to see if there are strange entries, will bring up task manager often to see what is running, and I keep an eye on my resources being used. Services I don't use like print spooler and Live ID are disabled.

If something is fishy, which is easy to spot for anyone tech-savvy that uses a PC daily, I'll scan with MSE and Malwarebytes, and if they don't find anything I'll try other options.

MSE might not be the best thing out there, but it is free, and if you take precautions like not blindly clicking domains you've never heard of, it works just fine.
 
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I have only had machines infected while using MSE and switched to Avast after that and havent had any infections or system related issues.
It's been years since I had a machine infected, period.

I was probably using AVG back then, but I don't even remember. I was probably still on Windows 2000.

I stopped pirating software. That helped a lot.
 

Hugh Jass

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Thank you sir for this great post! Finally someone with a little bit of common sense chimes in I was alone trying to convince these WD/MSE Kook Aid crowd that there are better and free options but nooo.... they've never been infected and it comes preinstalled with Windows (WOW as if they needed to take a computer course for double clicking a SETUP.exe) file of a program......

If everyone here is so much stupider and clueless than you are as you seem to think based on the BS you spout in every similar thread, why don't you STFU and leave?
 

Morbus

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Apr 10, 2009
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I stopped pirating software. That helped a lot.
The only time I've ever found viruses and malware is from spam emails and porn sites. Crappy codec/driver sites also, I think. Never from pirated software. But I don't do (much of) that anymore...
 

Iron Woode

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Now, Berryracer is entitled to his opinion.

That said, keep in mind he has been warned repeatedly by the mods here to tone down his rants.

Also, no one said that MSE is the greatest AV evar!!!!! Its ok for those of us that use common sense when surfing and downloading.

If you want something better try Panda Free or any other non paid AV.
 
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