Microsoft to use cryptoware to force Windows 10 on people

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Red Squirrel

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Classic shell is your friend as with a few minor tweaks you can get it looking just like win 7 / xp if you want and I am not sure about fuzzy text as I never saw it.

The spying is easy to disable in about 5 minutes when you upgrade and I enjoy the extra speed and stability is provides over previous ones.

I just wish they stopped updating win 7 and 8 immediately at all and this will do two things for them by less spending on outdated os's and stop people complaining about them switching over to win 10.

Maybe it will get better once the free to upgrade date rolls by and they announce they only support win 10 now since everyone should have it.

Yeah I put Classic shell, but isin't that just for the start menu? I did not really notice any other changes anywhere else. Still huge white dialogs with crappy looking text, and options spread in such a weird way that it is super space inefficient. The whole thing just looks like it was thrown together by a 2 year old in mspaint. Like display settings, control panel etc. It also feels like it's missing lot of options.
 

isekii

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The only tiles I see are in the start menu, which you can easily remove completely.

I don't get it - are you guys using the mobile/tablet version or something? It looks 95% just like WIN7.

Yes tiles that cover up 1/3 of your screen. And you can't remove them all in one shot, you have to do them one by one.
 

Newbian

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Yeah I put Classic shell, but isin't that just for the start menu? I did not really notice any other changes anywhere else. Still huge white dialogs with crappy looking text, and options spread in such a weird way that it is super space inefficient. The whole thing just looks like it was thrown together by a 2 year old in mspaint. Like display settings, control panel etc. It also feels like it's missing lot of options.

You can change how the tops of folders look or the taskbar if that's what you mean with it also.

There are a few other programs you can use to tweak it but it's the main one I use.
 

Jeff7

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To be clear, I work for a large IT company and have literally upgraded 100's of PC's to Windows 10. It's a rock-solid OS, and we've only had 1 issue where it trashed someones computer (it was a 1st gen Windows 7 HP workstation with a funky AMD chipset- the drivers Windows 10 put on it weren't compatible with anything).

There are some situations where you need to keep Windows 7: mostly in the medical/insurance fields where HIPPA compliance and special software prevent upgrading. Otherwise there is no reason everyone shouldn't be going to Windows 10. Anytime changes come, people tend to vilify them for some reason.
My first impression of Windows 10 came with the Get Windows 10 program: Microsoft had resorted to the beloved tactic of persistent popup adware that would keep reinstalling itself if it was deleted.
Great, popup adware. Yes, endear yourself to me by acting like something with the appeal of a festering roadkilled skunk.



Windows 10 is OK. Runs fine on a test machine. It's just ugly and loaded with spyware. No control over when and if you really want a new driver to be installed.

The good news is that the Forced upgrade will end on JULY 29.
So is there any workaround yet to prevent the autoupdates? I remember driver hell years ago, when "new&improved" drivers found innovative new ways of breaking things and sometimes even removing functionality.
 
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Phoenix86

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It is trivially easy to prevent Windows 10 from installing. If you can't be bothered to know enough about your computer to prevent the upgrade from happening I have no sympathy for you.

-KeithP

Not that I agree with their tactics, but it's literally a single registry setting.
 

Eli

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this is all pretty horrible. they've conditioned us for decades that the active window has a different color bar than the inactive windows. so of course they changed it. seems like a lot of change for the sake of change.



i also don't like the new windows update behavior. my phone isn't that insistent on YOU RESTART AND YOU RESTART NAO! (also i'm not entirely certain that the scheduled restart goes away if you restart the computer, it always seems to want to apply some damn update).

can't choose not to receive recommended updates, either. no, i don't want a new NIC driver, the one i have works and a new one might screw things up.

Uhm, wow. These alone makes me want to never upgrade...
 

SparkyJJO

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Sigh, some people still repeating the same incorrect stuff I see...

You CAN disable updating drivers. It is under advanced system settings > Hardware tab. Guess how many times Windows 10 has updated my drivers since I set it, since the 1511 update? Zero.

Yes, it wasn't working right pre-1511, but they fixed it over 6 months ago now!
 

Brian Stirling

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It is trivially easy to prevent Windows 10 from installing. If you can't be bothered to know enough about your computer to prevent the upgrade from happening I have no sympathy for you.

-KeithP


Yes, and what about 10 years from now when nothing before the current Windows will work?


Brian
 

ElFenix

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Sigh, some people still repeating the same incorrect stuff I see...

You CAN disable updating drivers. It is under advanced system settings > Hardware tab. Guess how many times Windows 10 has updated my drivers since I set it, since the 1511 update? Zero.

Yes, it wasn't working right pre-1511, but they fixed it over 6 months ago now!
A) drivers aren't the only recommend updates I don't want

B) it'd be nice after a decade and a half of that setting being in one place there was some sort of sign on the door saying "We Moved!"
 
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Fritzo

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My first impression of Windows 10 came with the Get Windows 10 program: Microsoft had resorted to the beloved tactic of persistent popup adware that would keep reinstalling itself if it was deleted.
Great, popup adware. Yes, endear yourself to me by acting like something with the appeal of a festering roadkilled skunk.



So is there any workaround yet to prevent the autoupdates? I remember driver hell years ago, when "new&improved" drivers found innovative new ways of breaking things and sometimes even removing functionality.

Windows 10 is supposed to be an update to Windows 7. At Apple, OSX updates are pushed down to you in the same manner: you keep getting popups until you update. It's almost as if people would have been happier if Microsoft charged $100 for the new version instead of gave it away for free.

Also, the "spyware" crap is getting a little old. Telemetry data is not spyware, and if you're concerned about that, don't use search engines or smart phones either. This data is used to find bugs, security holes, and improvements, not to spy on you watching GILF porn.

You can turn off automatic updates in the network settings by activating "metered connection". This will notify you when updates are available instead of automatically installing them.
 

Jeff7

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Windows 10 is supposed to be an update to Windows 7. At Apple, OSX updates are pushed down to you in the same manner: you keep getting popups until you update.
You're trying to use Apple products here? On the day of my daughter's birthday? How dare you, sir.


It's almost as if people would have been happier if Microsoft charged $100 for the new version instead of gave it away for free.
You can still offer someone something for free without hiding a jack-in-the-box in every room of their house to incessantly pester about it.



Also, the "spyware" crap is getting a little old. Telemetry data is not spyware, and if you're concerned about that, don't use search engines or smart phones either. This data is used to find bugs, security holes, and improvements, not to spy on you watching GILF porn.

You can turn off automatic updates in the network settings by activating "metered connection". This will notify you when updates are available instead of automatically installing them.
Good.
 

stevty2889

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I have 1 PC where Windows 10 runs fine, but 3 I have problems.
1. My laptop,I had to revert to 8.1. After moving to windows 10, it would get stuck in a reboot loop any time I tried to run on battery power, but was fine plugged in.
2. This desktop, got super slow and sluggish with windows 10, even after upgrading to 8gig of RAM from 4 gig. The task bar would quit working on a regular basis and I would have to reboot. Rolled back to windows 7, no more problems.
3. My gaming PC. I still have windows 10 on it. The problem is after the 1511 update, my bridged network stopped working. It was fine before that. Tried every solution I could find on the internet, and nothing would fix it. Moved the network adapter over to this PC on windows 7, and bridged connection is fine.
 

Smoblikat

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It is trivially easy to prevent Windows 10 from installing. If you can't be bothered to know enough about your computer to prevent the upgrade from happening I have no sympathy for you.

-KeithP

Agreed, its just a regedit. We set it on our image at work so now all the systems we deploy a new OS to dont have the annoying/dangerous popup that users seem to be determined to click.....
 

blankslate

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The functionality of the start menu is light-years ahead of Windows 7, as is it's driver and hardware detection. I think this is just a matter of getting used to something new.

The one thing it falls behind 7 in that department is that the all apps part of the startmenu is much easier to customize than in 10. At least for me. Otherwise it's good imo.
 

WelshBloke

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Also, the "spyware" crap is getting a little old. Telemetry data is not spyware, and if you're concerned about that, don't use search engines or smart phones either. This data is used to find bugs, security holes, and improvements, not to spy on you watching GILF porn.

Yep. Microsoft use the smartscreen filter for that.
 

Darwin333

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You can turn off automatic updates in the network settings by activating "metered connection". This will notify you when updates are available instead of automatically installing them.

Unless something has changed you can only set it to metered connection if you are on WIFI. My main rig is hooked up via ethernet and I have not found a way to set it to metered connection or otherwise turn off automatic updates.
 

Darwin333

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Agreed, its just a regedit. We set it on our image at work so now all the systems we deploy a new OS to dont have the annoying/dangerous popup that users seem to be determined to click.....

You expect the average consumer to go stumbling around editing the registry??? That would cause infinitely more problems then it would solve. FFS I can't get most people to do a simple reboot before calling me with their problems.
 

Linux23

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You expect the average consumer to go stumbling around editing the registry??? That would cause infinitely more problems then it would solve. FFS I can't get most people to do a simple reboot before calling me with their problems.
Lol yep
 

cbrunny

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What surprises me is that people are surprised that any company wants their consumers to use the latest version of their lead product.

Corporations are under no obligation to support any products regardless of public opinion.

I'm not saying that makes anything right or wrong. I just don't really understand what threads like this are trying to achieve when it is unquestionably outside the control of the public.
 

zCypher

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What surprises me is that people are surprised that any company wants their consumers to use the latest version of their lead product.

Corporations are under no obligation to support any products regardless of public opinion.

I'm not saying that makes anything right or wrong. I just don't really understand what threads like this are trying to achieve when it is unquestionably outside the control of the public.
They never accomplish anything, but sometimes we get some good posts from people so I'd argue it's still a non-zero value. It's always the same with every new iteration of software though. People always bitching and moaning. I used 7 for a long time and was happy with that. Then 8 came along, and although I didn't like initially losing the start menu and those stupid tiles being the default view, it was a trivial matter to get things working how I want and all in all was still a good upgrade. Then 10.. IMO a much better upgrade than 7 to 8, but still without a question a good upgrade.

I can't remember the last time I've had "OS" related problems, probably back in the Windows 95 to Windows XP days. My rig runs 24/7 and I can't really say that 7, 8 or 10 have ever given my any grief that didn't turn out to be user error or something unrelated to the OS itself. I've always been in the habit of tinkering to get things to my liking though, so maybe i'm biased.
 

Naer

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my older thinkpad doesn't even run win10 stable, yet it still pressures me to upgrade
 

monkeydelmagico

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The OS works well. The tactics MS used to basically force us to adopt Win10 sucked. I did my part to fight the machine. I converted a couple more people to the linux.
 
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