MicroStar K7T Turbo review

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

duragezic

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
11,234
4
81
So what's stopping someone from taking a small 486 or Pentium fan and putting it on the northbridge?
 

DaddyG

Banned
Mar 24, 2000
2,335
0
0
I don't believe that its fair to compare a hand-picked pre-production mobo to any other. MSI obviously went over this mobo with a fine tooth comb. Are MSI mobos stable , yes, has MSI responded to the overclocking problems on the PRO 2A, NO. If a mobo manufacturer offers OCing features and they don't work, they should offer solutions.
 

Nelmster

Senior member
Nov 17, 2000
329
0
0
It seems that lately, the reviews have all been geared toward finding the highest FSB, while keeping the initial "spec" of the chip the same - i.e., original 10*100 tested at 7*145 (1000 vs 1015). The reviews FORMERLY would discuss "how fast" (for example, try for 9*145=1305, which many ppl say they are getting)...why the change?
 

Gothmoth

Member
Dec 1, 2000
134
0
0
@Noriaki
lol..... fan its a gimmick..... lol.
maybe on the northpole but not here.

my friend has a abit kt7a and if he removes the fan (not the heatsink) his board is maxed out on 148 Mhz.
with fan and heatsink he reaches 157 MHz without any problems.

the system dont crash immediatley with 149 Mhz but after some minutes working on prime95 (with 157 mhz and fan the system is rock solid).

how is this possible when the fan is worth nothing?
 

AMD4ME2

Senior member
Jul 25, 2000
664
0
0


<< With this kind of stability who needs Intel? >>



Intel?? Intel who? bah who needs em.. im setting here in front of the most stable easiest built computer ever! my KT7A-Raid

built 2 computers last week... 1 duron 1 athlon.. corporate america needs to get a clue.. intel is misleading them and cheating them.. the AMD socket A platform is as good or better than anything intel has.. end of story. &quot;ITS TIME FOR THEM TO GO!&quot;
 

Wolfman35

Senior member
Oct 9, 1999
407
0
0
AMD4ME2: First let me state that I have been an AMD supporter since the K5 days but I got one word for you concerning Corporate America: SMP

Also keep in mind that to most Administrators ... Price=Quality. AMD is too inexpensive to ever find it's way into the hearts of the big boys. I agree it's Wrong but it's true. Want Proof?? Check the prices on CISCO components compared to almost any other brand. I rest my case.
 

Noriaki

Lifer
Jun 3, 2000
13,640
1
71
wow is really that much of a difference....

That's really odd...my friend's A7V heatsink is barely even warm...but then I guess 157+ is more nearly half again as fast as he runs his....

I withdraw my comment...I didn't bother to read the Epox or ABit review...Epox has yet to impress me, and the day I put an ABit product in my own PC is the day I move 100% into computer theory.

But I see you guys are right...

But if the northbridge is that hot about the clockgens? On the A7V the clock gen is very warm...hot enough that I don't like to keep my fingers on it...
 

OC-Freak

Member
Oct 18, 1999
198
0
0
by biggs:

1)The Abit KT7A-R's HighPoint controllers supports RAID 0 + 1 -it sucks, well yes I've tried it, still sucks compared to my Highpoint Fasttrack100 RAID card.
2) The Abit KT7A-R has a fan on the north bridge. - is noisy or gets noisy in few weeks, yup I've listened.
3) The Abit KT7A-R has no AMR slot. -Is it blocking something??? No...well who cares about it.
4) The Abit KT7A-R has no el cheapo built-in audio solution. -Well, you've a point there, of course it's possible to disable it.
5) The Abit KT7A-R has an ISA slot. -hehehehe Who needs it??? Not me....
6) The Abit KT7A-R has a second USB controller hub -huh?? doesn't MSI have? My K7T Pro2a have!!!!
7) The Abit KT7A-R is fully jumperless. -okok!!! MSI have ONE jumper that you may need to move......

And the unstability/high failure rate by abit have always surprised me....

 

Gothmoth

Member
Dec 1, 2000
134
0
0
@OC-Freak
dont start a stupid mb-war.

the msi have its own issues (look around in this forum, cold boot, ata100 etc. .

i have a msi kt7pro2a and no problems (its a great board, not as good as my epox 8kt3a but very good but the msi kt7 turbo dont look like a real winner to me.

 

Modus

Platinum Member
Oct 9, 1999
2,235
0
0
A few points for clarification:

The KT133A does not require active cooling. This is easily proven by both VIA's specs (which call only for a heatsink) and Anand's own tests which showed the Microstar K7T Turbo overclocking just as high as the Epox and ABit boards that featured a fan. In fact, the FSB overclocking results make it obvious that RAM is the limitting factor in AnandTech's tests. Whether northbridge cooling comes into play at higher FSB speeds is yet to be determined; all we know at this point is that the K7T Pro does without a fan what other boards do with one.

The so-called &quot;stability problems&quot; with the MSI K7T Pro-2a were not nearly as widespread as people make out. No major hardware site was able to reproduce the problem, and the vast majority of computer resellers and consultants in this forum, myself included, have sold collectively hundreds of units and received no more negative feedback than with any other board. Still, Microstar has just last week released a V2.2 BIOS update that corrects the rare problem that a small minority of boards were displaying. Bottom line, there is no reason not to treat the Pro-2a like the stability dynamo its predecessor proved to be.

The lack of an ISA slot and the inclusion of a CNR slot is absolutely irrelevant to the vast majority of users, and even most hardware enthusisasts now realize that a dirt cheap PCI modem can easily equal their expensive old ISA solution, which can be sold away at a profit. The CNR slot may be useless for our purposes but at least, being shared, it doesn't get in the way.

The inclusion of a VIA AC'97 codec is only a plus. One look at the size of the chip and you'll realize that it costs motherboard manufacturers all of $2 to include the capability on the board (since the 686x southbridges essentially have it built in). That is a small price to pay for the peace of mind should your main card fail, or when on a budget, sound quality that rivals any consumer card (signal to noise ratio and frequency response, the crucial factors, have been good enough for years and PC sound controllers these days are basically only discernable with high end audiophile equipment; more expensive sound solutions just provide more features). It certainly doesn't detract anything for the value of the board. ABit's decision not to implement any on board sound is simply an admition of defeat on their part that they cannot compromise their enthusiast and OEM markets.

Modus
 

Planktune

Member
Jan 28, 2001
151
0
0
IBM GXP hdd compatability is an important issue with VT686 south bridge chips I would like to know if this board fixes this issue.
 

Pyro

Banned
Sep 2, 2000
1,483
0
0
This board is really something.

The MSI bashers on this board only cling on to the little things like an extra audio chip or a SHARED cnr slot. Big deal.


someone also said that MSI went though it with a fine tooth comb or something. Well, tell me, how do you know Abit didnt do the same?

Keep in mind that this is preproduction, so the final version may have gotten a 9/10
 

Gothmoth

Member
Dec 1, 2000
134
0
0
and maybe msi has given a few bucks to anandtech (only joking )).

i think the msi kt7 turbo is nothing special (imho).

i dont think anandtechs &quot;stress test&quot; means anything to the normal user.
even with my oc 8*140 mhz duron on my epox i had not a single crash in 10 days (im running a win2000 web server, just for fun and a few friends).

i dont care about isa slots, amr or onboard audio and if i need a raid controller i buy a good pci raid controller.

i think 8.5 is a good rating for this board because its good but nothing special.
 

nortexoid

Diamond Member
May 1, 2000
4,096
0
0
in my opinion, this board scores low in many aspects

1) it doesn't even use active (fan) cooling on the chipset, which is essential to high fsb overclocking on this particular chipset

2) it has a measly 2 fan headers...that's essentilaly...SH1TE! - and requires fans using powersupply connectors...etc.

3) Anand needs to find some new RAM sticks to truly test the overclockability of fsb, and seeing that one of his sponsors consist of Mushkin, would it be that hard?...really?...Anand?...are u OK?..if such was the case, i coudl guarantee this MSI board scoring lower on fsb overclocking than the epox and abit boards.


otherwise, the board is good for stability...he should have rated it an 8, on a par w/ the epox for havng higher stability, but worse everything else (except for 1mhz incremental fsb manipulation)
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Mar 20, 2000
102,425
8,388
126
i wouldn't call anything relating to a highpoint chip vs a promise chip an advantage for abit. just my $.02. i think i'll go asus.
 

Gothmoth

Member
Dec 1, 2000
134
0
0
i never buy a board with a highpoint controller again!
if i need a raid controller i buy a pci raid controller (its easyer to throw away).

i never get my abit be6 to work with my maxtor drives on the hpt366.
after 2 weeks of tweaking i buy a seagate barracuda and they also dont work on the hpt366 (this issue was fixed 2 months(!) later with an bios update).

bah, go away with this highpoint sh*t.
 

Mustanggt

Diamond Member
Dec 11, 1999
3,278
0
71
I think Gothmoth is right when he said {i dont think anandtechs &quot;stress test&quot; means anything to the normal user.} It tells you the MSI is very Stable board. My KT7 never crashes so it seems my Abit is plenty stable for me {Moderate gamer} With that said the KT7A just seems like the better choice after reading review of MSI turbo.
 

Gothmoth

Member
Dec 1, 2000
134
0
0
are anandtech use the default bios option for the stress-test?
if yes, a board with more moderate default options could really shine in this test.

ps: i really dont like this big msi banner on anandtechs.
i get a bad taste if i see such a close partnership.
 

JoPalm

Senior member
Dec 29, 2000
843
0
0
If you only have 2 fan headers on the mobo...how do you add more fans, like to the case and the board?! where do u hook em up to (<----Newbie here )
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |