MicroStar K7T Turbo review

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What makes you think the MSI is not capable of that with another stick of RAM?

he???

I DONT SAY THAT!
i only say that 147 mhz is not the maximum for kt133a boards!

you statment was, that even with better ram you dont think higher fsb are possible.
and thats not true!

please read my postings carefully and dont put statments in my mouth that i dont make!


Have I offended you by prasing the MSI over your Epox?

please read my postings carefully i have msi and epox.
and im not a self called zealot

Im that sure because Im confident in MSI.

like i believe in god.....

Nupe, you're wrong. MSI reached a higher FSB despite not having northbridge active cooling!!.

so msi has a better northbridge?... lol

i have seen epox board with fsb over 150 mhz.
i dont say the msi can not reach fsb over 147. the only thing i say is that the msi bios looks bad.
the epox dont reach higher fsb on the anandtech lab because anands RAM
SUCKS.
the epox can not do 1 mhz steps but it can reach more then 150 mhz.
so anadtech "max fsb" statment is worth nothing, because the ram can not go higher then 147-148 mhz (the mainboards can go higher).

You dont see it? Or are you too ignorant too see it? Have you ran any kind of stability tests like PCResources?

no im only a dumb worker at siemens
my epox webserver is uptime for about 284 hours. thats my stability test.
btw: my longest msi uptime was around 560 hours.
if one of my systems crash, you can be sure it is ms windows not the boards....

Oh I think so, D-LED, LiveBIOS, FuzzyLogicIII, RAID, onboard sound, the list goes on.

epox has no LED´s, no onboard sound? (mhm, i dont think so
live bios ... read the forum about the live bios issues.
epox 8kta3+ = raid

i dont say the msi has LESS features. YOU say it has MORE features. so please tell me WHERE ARE this features?

again, the msi bios looks not so good in anandtechs review.

Oh why dont we just ignore stability as a whole then?

you really should read my postings carefully!!
and dont put any words in my mouth, mc fly.

i say "anandtechs stress test", not stability at all.

stability is the most important thing!!
but i dont need a m16 to kill a ant.

if my system dont crash, i dont care about a system that crashes less.

i can play quake3 for hours or encoding mpeg movies for days without a crash, on both systems (msi kt7pro2a and epox 8kta3).

again, if my systems crash you can be sure it will be windows who pulls the trigger.

MSI can easily accomplish the same thing.

how old are you?
i dont say that msi can not accomplish this.
YOU say msi is the only choice if someone needs a rock solid system.
and thats PURE SH*T.

From my personal experience, and the experience of veterans like Patrick.

rotfl. how many boards is this "personal experience"?
please, if you use this argument then be prepared to prove it.
i mean 2 persons thats a joke, even if you sell boards every day like Patrick.
can you really say how manx % of boards are RMA to abit, epox, asus, msi?

NO.

look I dont know what's wrong with your Pro2A,

you should rea..... mhm i think you know....

my msi kt7pro2a runs wonderfull, thank you.


Oh I forgot, you just do the card stacking to hide the disadvantage.

dont tell such a sh*t, im hiding nothing.


PS, can you also stop using the smilies in your arguments? Its annoying the hell out of me, thanks in advance.

sorry, thats not my problem )
 

LXi

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<<I DONT SAY THAT!
i only say that 147 mhz is not the maximum for kt133a boards!>>


I DID NOT deny that.


<<you statment was, that even with better ram you dont think higher fsb are possible.
and thats not true!>>


You're the one thats putting words into my mouth!!! I did not ever say 147MHz was the peak of all KT133A boards. My point was, if given a better RAM stick, MSI can also achieve higher front side bus, it works both ways, Abit is not limited, MSI is not limited, Epox is not limited(even though it seems maxed out already because its not keeping up with Abit and MSI).
 

PCResources

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<< No, I'm not biased against MSI...I just want you to see both sides of the story. It seems OK for you to talk about Abit's problems w/o mentioning MSI's. I don't think that's right. >>



Well, well, well, haven't i stated that no board is perfect, but you seem to make it into a debate about &quot;Abit is more stable than MSI&quot;...

If i may, i will summon all the people on this board who have tested and sold more then 300 KT133 boards, i am quite sure that they will ALL agree with me when it comes to the stability of the MSI boards...

That's it, you cannot argue with knowledge...

Patrick Palm

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Technonut

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PCResources, I understand what you are saying, but motherboards such as the ABIT KT7 and KT7A are targeted toward a small, but growing market segment of overclocking &amp; performance seekers. You asked in another post &quot;Who are You?&quot; Well, I am 40 years old, and have been involved with computers since the TRS 80. I have a couple of certifications that are worthless to me in my area, as anyone who can read a study guide can pass these tests. As you probably know as well as I do, it is the actual &quot;hands on&quot; daily experience, and keeping up with new technology that makes or breaks a large or small business owner.

I run a very small business in a rural area that involves the usual &quot;fix it for me&quot; problems, Installing/Upgrading hardware, troubleshooting, system builds and configuration. While I may not have a large scale operation going as you do, it makes my house payment, and pays my bills. I also have the satisfaction of personally dealing with a group of &quot;down to earth folks&quot; that appreciate the personal, prompt attention that I strive to give.

On the subject of the ABIT KT7 &amp; KT7A motherboards, I personally enjoy them, and out of the small number of special request ABIT systems built for my customers, and my own, I have had no complaints. I do not use them for the majority of my Socket A customer builds, nor were they designed to be Server Class systems. The people that I deal with could care less which brand of mainboard is in the system that I build for them as long as it is stable, functions well, and is reliable. (I use TYAN Trinity KT's for Socket A builds that have served the purpose well, and offer a 3 year warranty) The average user in my area is not interested in BIOS tweaks, or overclocking. They want &quot;web Surfing, e-mail, light business use&quot; systems.
It all depends on where you are, and who you are dealing with.

I make an effort to purchase, and evaluate many different brand performance motherboards on a small scale to compare features, overclocking ability, and stability. I have always gone back to the ABIT. If I had your mass purchasing ability to make large purchase, testing comparisons, I may be forced to agree with you. But I have not had to RMA an ABIT board yet out of the small amount that I have purchased. I plan on giving most of the KT133A boards a whirl soon, and if I find one that suits my needs, and performs better than the ABIT has for me, I will use it. Until then, I am perfectly content with what I have, until I personally prove to myself otherwise.

The bottom line is that in the overclocking community, people use what works best for them. You will get many different experiences, and many different opinions on which is &quot;the best&quot; board, depending upon the person using it. Your personal experience may be helpful since you deal in large quantity, but the fact remains that there are people that have ABIT systems that they are happy with, and are stable enough for their purposes. Do your own research, talk with people that actually use the systems that you are interested in, and make your own decision.
 

PCResources

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Gothmoth:

Lay of LXi, he knows what he is talking about, obviously, you do not, he has info from special sources, you do not...

So shut your mouth, and quit that whining, the kid in here is you!!

Patrick Palm

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NFS4

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<< but you seem to make it into a debate about &quot;Abit is more stable than MSI&quot;... >>


Again, you are PUTTING words in my mouth. I never said that. I just said that my Abit boards have been stabe for ME. I never said that Abit was more stable than MSI. I don't even know where you are getting this from.




In other matters...thanks for the post Technonut, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I too am a tech nut/repair guy. From my sophomore year in high school, and even during the summers now I work in a computer shop back home. We gets tons of systems in for upgrades, repairs, new installs, networking, service calls, etc. We have had Abit boards come through and we've never had any more problems with them than MSI's, Asus, or SuperMicro (and 9 times out of time for ALL manufacturers, it was something that the customer was doing wrong and not the board itself).

Now I may not have 40 years of experience or so in the computer biz, but I'm no dummy.
 

PCResources

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<< ?&quot; Well, I am 40 years old, and have been involved with computers since the TRS 80. I have a couple of certifications that are worthless to me in my area, as anyone who can read a study guide can pass these tests. As you probably know as well as I do, it is the actual &quot;hands on&quot; daily experience, and keeping up with new technology that makes or breaks a large or small business owner. >>



Well, i mean no disrespect, but i do not care if you are 100 years old, i do know what i am talking about...

I do not lie when i say that i have tried thousands of boards, and i can tell you that most MSI PRO2´s overclock better than Abit boards (with good stability that is)...

The only reason that i have for recommending the boards i recommend is that they are more stable...

I know this is hard to believe, but try to believe that i am telling the truth... In my tests, the MSI, Soltek and Epox boars were the only stable ones, the most stable were the MSI ones...

That's it, i tested them, no simple 24hr tests, 8 week tests, and i found that the Abit boards were not stable enough for me to sell them, so if i cannot recommend them to my customers, then why should i recommend them to anyone else? And naturally, a board that is not stable when run at normal clockspeeds will not increase in stability when overclocked...

Maybe you have been in this business longer than i have, i have done this professionaly for the last 15 years, but does that mean that you are more capable of determining the stability of boards that i test?


Patrick Palm

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LXi

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Tell me NFS4, are you always willing to choose Abit over MSI even if MSI makes an equally good or better board?
 

PCResources

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<< Now I may not have 40 years of experience or so in the computer biz, but I'm no dummy. >>



I never said that you are a dummy...

But the thing is... and please bear with me... If i have testes that many systems and found MSI to be the king of stability, Abit boards to be the worst, then, that is not an opinion that i have, it is just the clear facts that i can state after testing that many boards...

Can you really argue with that?

Patrick Palm

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NFS4

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<< Tell me NFS4, are you always willing to choose Abit over MSI even if MSI makes an equally good or better board? >>


I'm saying that I like Abit and I will stick with them until someone offers me something worthwhile. First off, the MSI doesn't have enough fan headers for my case fans so that automatically rules it out.

Once you get set in your ways, you don't want to go back. I have been happy with Abit and I see no reason in changing right now. If Abit screws me, you better bet that I might jump ship, but that hasn't happened yet.
 

NFS4

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<< But the thing is... and please bear with me... If i have testes that many systems and found MSI to be the king of stability, Abit boards to be the worst, then, that is not an opinion that i have, it is just the clear facts that i can state after testing that many boards... >>


Of course, that's your opinion and I respect that...but considering that I have had Abit systems that have been nothing but stable for me, your tests really don't mean much in my case--not that I'm trying to discredit you or anything...



<< If i have testes >>


Dude, I feel sorry for you if you don't have any testes
 

LXi

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OK so you're one of those guys that like to stick to the same brand as long as they dont screw up, is that right?
 

NFS4

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<< OK so you're one of those guys that like to stick to the same brand as long as they dont screw up, is that right? >>


Just like people that stick with Ford or Chevy Abit has been good to me, so why should I switch unless I find a compelling reason to. So far I haven't.
 

LXi

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What was meant to be just a convinient link to the review turned out to be a MSI vs Abit bruhaha.
 

LXi

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<<Just like people that stick with Ford or Chevy Abit has been good to me, so why should I switch unless I find a compelling reason to. So far I haven't.>>

Then tell me, how are you so sure that MSI is incapable of providing the same good experience Abit has provided if you refuse to ever try one?
 

PCResources

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<< Dude, I fell sorry for you if you don't have any testes >>



aaahhh... well i almost wrote &quot;testes&quot; a few times, but managed to correct it... i missed that one... hehe

I do have testes, and they are too big to mention.. but i am going against the &quot;Abit crowd&quot; and the &quot;GXP crowd&quot; you already knew this, right?

Man, i do not enjoy this, have a good day...

Patrick Palm

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NFS4

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<< Then tell me, how are you so sure that MSI is incapable of providing the same good experience Abit has provided if you refuse to ever try one? >>


Why should I leave a company that has been good to me? I'm sticking with Abit for now and that's that
 

LXi

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<<Why should I leave a company that has been good to me? I'm sticking with Abit for now and that's that >>

Yea thats cool... but whats with all these people switching to AMD after Intel being so good to them?
 

NFS4

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<< but whats with all these people switching to AMD after Intel being so good to them?[/b]
Better Performance, Lower Prices, AMD
 

MikeO

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Well I'm convinced. You really can't argue with PCResources about this, if he really has tested thousands of these boards, he really has some hard facts. I'm waiting for the MSI K7T Turbo to hit the local stores. Thank you PCResources, your posts really helped me to decide what to get in this overheated kt133(a) mobo situation, starts to sound like a war between &quot;MSI vs. Abit&quot; users.

btw, when is the turbo going to be available?

 

PCResources

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About the same could be said for MSI...

Better stability, lower price, MSI...

Patrick Palm

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PCResources

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<< btw, when is the turbo going to be available? >>



Right now, if i am not totally misinformed, some companies may take longer time to get them into stock... but it is a matter of days...

You made your choice, if you have any problems with it what so ever, feel free to contact me...

Patrick Palm

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Gothmoth

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@lxi

Epox is not limited(even though it seems maxed out already because its not keeping up with Abit and MSI).

could i be, that the ram is maxed out at 148 mhz and the epox only allows 150 mhz and not 147 or 148?

i think it is not that difficult to understand?!
(even for you ;-)

 

PCResources

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<< Of course, that's your opinion and I respect that >>



Maybe you did not read my post properly, or it is just the ignorant sid of you speaking...

I just stated that this is NOT my opinion, i know this from the experience that i have, involving tests of thousands of motherboards...

Patrick Palm

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