In a UFC type match (as in officiated) I think Bruce would have a chance to submit Tyson or something.
But if it's a fight to the death, Tyson would win.
But if it's a fight to the death, Tyson would win.
Yep. Lee was not a fighter. He was an actor. He could probably have kicked all our asses, but not a professional.
That's why he and Chuck Norris never sparred. Chuck was a pro. He would have smoked Bruce.
Chuck has done a good job helping further the legend of his friend over the years, by dodging any questions of him vs Bruce, but he was finally asked in the right way and basically admitted that that he would have won. Interviewer asked if they ever sparred, and Chuck says "no", and is asked why he says "well, I was a pro" and the interviewer finished the question for him "and Lee was not" and Chuck agrees. Close as he's ever come to just saying outright that he'd have beaten Bruce.
Lee was a showman and an actor. And his fitness routine was phenomenal. He died young, so he became a legend, and it's really not a reputation that's deserved, at least with regards to his fighting prowess. It's ridiculous, really. He wouldn't have beaten any of the top martial artists of the day, none of the top ones now, nobody in MMA, and no pro boxers...at least, not just "as he was". Now could he have trained in any one of those sports and become competitive? Sure, it's possible. But as he was, no. He was an actor.
He had one fight, ever, and the results of that are HIGHLY contested...to the point where his opponent finally gave his account to a paper, and challenged Lee to a public fight if Lee disagreed with his version. Lee never said a word.
The issue here is that Tyson has 0 training against defending his lower body against kicks or preventing take downs. Even Mike Tyson has said that boxer could only win against a MMA fighter if the boxer trains MMA.
Boxers fighting style is predicated on not getting kicked in the legs, the sides, etc. And blocked kicks to the arms is just going to lead to broken arms.
Exactly. All you fools who doubt Lee, he had one of the fastest kicks in history. 100-300ms.
Video proof:
https://youtu.be/KbA8IxPhJVo
Mike Tyson's punches weren't even that fast.
Jackie Chan said if you blinked you would miss Lee's kicks, that's how fast they were.
A person who trained and competed with aliveness and has actually be beaten, hit, punished, and hurt.
The only way to get better at fighting is to be in fights. Martial arts can give you some ideas, but the more you actually fight the better you get. I had a decade of martial art experience the first time I walked into a boxing gym. Every guy in that place was a better fighter than I was. I crumbled under the punches, they thrived on them.
Yep. Lee was not a fighter. He was an actor. He could probably have kicked all our asses, but not a professional.
That's why he and Chuck Norris never sparred. Chuck was a pro. He would have smoked Bruce.
Chuck has done a good job helping further the legend of his friend over the years, by dodging any questions of him vs Bruce, but he was finally asked in the right way and basically admitted that that he would have won. Interviewer asked if they ever sparred, and Chuck says "no", and is asked why he says "well, I was a pro" and the interviewer finished the question for him "and Lee was not" and Chuck agrees. Close as he's ever come to just saying outright that he'd have beaten Bruce.
Lee was a showman and an actor. And his fitness routine was phenomenal. He died young, so he became a legend, and it's really not a reputation that's deserved, at least with regards to his fighting prowess. It's ridiculous, really. He wouldn't have beaten any of the top martial artists of the day, none of the top ones now, nobody in MMA, and no pro boxers...at least, not just "as he was". Now could he have trained in any one of those sports and become competitive? Sure, it's possible. But as he was, no. He was an actor.
He had one fight, ever, and the results of that are HIGHLY contested...to the point where his opponent finally gave his account to a paper, and challenged Lee to a public fight if Lee disagreed with his version. Lee never said a word.
Boxing is serious business.
I too had that same feeling. I learned many useful debilitating skills in Kung Fu, but going against a speedy experienced battle hardened boxer kind of humbles you rather quickly!
The best martial artists I knew who could could kick some serious ass were also equally trained in boxing skills. Best of both worlds.
.....People forget that Tyson is incredibly fast and powerful ... with GLOVES ON! Imagine if he took those mitts off. LOL!
We need a professional opinion.
This has to have been brought up before.
Tyson wasn't slow and his legs weren't toothpicks.
I doubt if a single kick to Tyson's leg would break his knee.
He was solid muscle and fast as hell.
Except there are eye witness reports from more than 1 person that Lee could kick a 300lb punching bag to the ceiling. He had freakish power for his size.i don't know if this is some weird parody thread, but if a serious question then 1000 times out of 1000 Iron Mike would destroy Bruce Lee, and it would not be a close fight.
You guys ever hear of MMA? Guess how many 120 lb karate guys have ever beat up 220 lb. strikers. There's your answer. In fact, such a fight would never be sanctioned by any state athletic commission, becasue it would be so dangerous for the smaller guy.
And of course Lee wasn't even a real fighter...so.....
I dare never to try to ruin Bruce Lees legacy, as I love what he has done for martial arts, and I respect him greatly, but because we have never seen him react under dire circumstance, beaten, hit with powerful strikes, we can never presume that he was a fighter of any sort. Maybe he was, but unfortunately never had a chance to or chose not to exhibit it like real fighters do: over and over again, building records (more than a couple tournaments) and humbling themselves to fight, and fight once more.
To people who did see whatever it is they saw in regards to Bruce Lee and continue to hold their opinions high and refuse to let go of memories that are gradually perpetuating myths, I question them too: Could you be at all wrong? At all?
Except there are eye witness reports from more than 1 person that Lee could kick a 300lb punching bag to the ceiling. He had freakish power for his size.
What about eye witness accounts from Dan Inosanto saying that Lee kicked a football linebacker off his feet who was holding a sparring pad?
Do you even know what Jeet Kune Do is? Do you realize that many multiple artists base that as their inspiration?
The real question is: Could Bruce could take out a Gracie or modern BJJ fighter in a no holds barred fight? Both could easily dispatch a stupid boxer, even one that weighed 90lbs more. In fact, JKD and BJJ were created to dispatch larger opponents.