Military forbidden to criticize Al Gore

[Double Trouble]

Military troups could face court martial if they criticize Gore

Oh that's really nice. Slap those people defending the country in the face by trying to have their votes thrown out, and when they complain, "dispatch a team of military lawyers to remind the troops that it's illegal to criticize Gore". Dispatch a team of lawyer attack dogs. Yep, sounds like the Gore way. Not only try to take away their right to vote, but make sure that if they complain you kindly remind them that they don't have the right to free speech either. That'll do wonders for morale in the military.

Interesting quote: <<&quot;As word got around that military officers were expressing their 'outrage' and 'disgust' at Al Gore and saying that they had been 'ripped off' by the Vice President, Army lawyers issued this directive:&quot;>>

Oh yeah, the military would be in great shape if Gorons took over....

 

[Tiger]

Figures doesn't it?

The one group of people who have a legitimate gripe in this whole mess aren't allowed to express it. Just makes ya wanna run right and join up doesn't it?:|

 

[DefRef]

I posted a couple of week's ago an interview with Elaine Donnally who said that if Gore stole the election, that there'd be a stampede of military people who'd just had it with these crooks. I was attacked for posting such &quot;biased right-wing&quot; stuff and I'm sure they'll pick on the fact that this is a Fox News story.

(Of course, they loved Fox when that twitty reporterette got snookered into breaking the Dubya DUI dirty trick. Where is she now? Did she get to go to the Big City like she hoped when she let them pimp her?)

All the military needs is a Commander in Chief who doesn't have a record of saying &quot;he loathes the military&quot; and won't keep sending them on &quot;peacekeeping&quot; and Meals On Wheels missions.

 

[sweetrobin]

It's a shame and disgrace that they can fight and die for this country but can be thrown in jail for talking against a scum bag loser ...

 

[fdiskboy]

Luckily the moron (Goron) isn't going to be president. Finally the military will have someone they can respect as Commander in Chief.

 

[yakko]

They couldn't criticize Clinton either during his whole mess. That is part of being in the military. Always has been and always will be.

 

[Jumpem]

Someone needs to take an AH-64 Apache out for a &quot;training&quot; mission, and put a Hellfire missile into Algore's thinly armored limousine!

 

[DaBoneHead]

Excuse me,


<reality check>

Soldiers are not allowed to criticize their commander &amp; chief, or the VP. That is called insubordination, and would lead to a break-down in the chain of command. Gore is within his right to remind soldiers that they are not allowed to openly criticize. That's part of the law.

Why you people must construe some democrat conspiracy with every action taken by this administration is beyond me. Do you people really not have a clue? Try something new... think for yourselves.

</reality check>

 

[DaBoneHead]

After fully reading your article...


GORE DIDN'T SEND LAWYERS TO THREATEN SOLDIERS. WHERE DO YOU GET OFF MAKING A STATEMENT LIKE THAT. It was a decision by senior officers in the military. Where does it say that GORE sent them?


God, you people are pathetic.

 

[DefRef]

DaBonehead is correct about insubordination. But, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[BoberFett]

Like it or not, that's the way the military works, and anybody in the military knows it. But just because they aren't allowed to say anything doesn't mean they serviceman have any respect for the Commander-in-Chuff and his cronies.

Woohoo! I can say that! I've gotten my Honorable Discharge!

 

[DarkRipper]

I got out of the military specifically because Klinton was elected. I'm glad as well that Gore won't have his chance to alternately revile/mistreat the armed forces.


MHO right wing opinion......

DR

 

[Pennstate]

&quot;Finally the military will have someone they can respect as Commander in Chief&quot;


Dubya???? You gotta be kidding me

 

[smartt]

Most of the people that will get kicked out of the military or refused entrance will be for some of the same stuff he has done in the past.

 

[smartt]

Luckily, here in the US, military service is voluntary and these rules are explained to you in boot camp. A former US Marine General once said that the closest thing to communism in the US is the military. It's definitely a different life and not for everyone. You give up alot of your rights to defend the rights of others. If you've ever been in the military you definitely know it's not a democracy and could never function as one. Officers have a choice of resigning their commison, and enlisted can get out when their term is up, like I did. Also, I highly doubt that Al Gore himself has spoken out in this issue. It is more likely just the Army lawyers, as stated, trying to prevent chaos in the ranks. Don't worry, George Jr. will get the same tounge-in-cheek respect he deserves.

 

[KidViciou$]

also, i thought we agreed FOX NEWS is on the same level as the tabloids?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Tagej:

Did you even read the article before you posted this paranoia? This law has been a part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice since its implementation by President Truman.

We are also prohibited from criticizing &quot;Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any state in which [we are] on duty or present.&quot;

 

[chess9]

Tagej:

Is being brain dead a prerequisite for becoming Elite?

Or is being a right wing whacko enough?

Good grief, you guys are like 1st graders.

 

[Double Trouble]

<<Is being brain dead a prerequisite for becoming Elite? >>

Apparently not, or you'd have it three times over by now....

<<Did you even read the article before you posted this paranoia? This law has been a part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice since its implementation by President Truman. >>

And when, pray tell, was the last time morale was so low that this had to be enforced??? It goes to show the level of morale inspired by the scum in office over the last 8 years. It shows what the level of morale would be if Goron ever got into office.

I have absolutely no problem with the rules of the military, and I completely understand them and the need for them. I agree that the troops should indeed stand behind the leadership when push comes to shove. People in the armed forces don't have the same free speech rights as civilians -- until they leave the military anyway. No problems there. The point of the article is to show the morale of the troops, and what the Clinton Gore scum have done to it. Do you think those skilled and intelligent people in the armed forces would stay there and serve a commander in chief who they feel 'ripped them off'?? Would you work for a boss that ripped you off?

This kind of stuff (silencing the voices) works in third world dictatorships when the troops don't have a choice. Here in the US the troops do have a choice, and you can see the erosion of military readiness as a result of the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure Colin Powell knows what he's talking about when he speaks of the lack of readiness.

Oh, and my wording on the link was indeed a little off (and I edited it accordingly). It was not Gore himself that threatened the troops with court martial. It was those under him in the chain of command. The point was that his ways have so undermined our military that these kinds of rules (that have been around for decades but have never had to be actively enforced) are needed. What do you think that does to the morale??

 

[sgtbehymer]

Being in the army I can say that, yes, we could get in some kind of trouble for derrogatory remarks against the Pres, and VP, but since most of us feel the same way, we do not have to worry about what is said. A camera is not going to be stuck in our face while the insults are flying about these ding-a-lings, and if there was a camera, we (most) soldiers would say what was on our mind while still being politically correct, or just lie!!!!
Any way GO 49rs HEHE

*Edit*

Furthermore- the erosion of the military should not only be blamed on the president or his cabinet as many people may think. Of course the military is doing a lot of (unnessary?) missions around the world, which has to do with some of the break down in the military. Some of it has to do with the economy, why would a person in their early 20's join the military with all that could be done on the out side as far as the job market is conserned? But mostly it has to do with money.
The military, although as a hole has a large amount of funds, when you add up deployments, ammo, new equipment, barracks, housing, TDY, and a number of other items which have nothing to do with the President, and the fact that the MTOE equipment (ex-military may understand MTOE) we have now that is not supported by tax dollars that are coming to us degrades the military mission. A large part of what is happening with the Army/ Marines/ Air Force has to do with equipment on the ground. Being able to keep that equipment working. Not who is president, who is wining about pregnated this and bla bla bla. People have to look farther then 6 months or 2 years ago. I have been in 13 years, seperated after almost 8 but came under another type of contract. The Army alone lost thousands of people in the late 80's to the mid 90's because of cut backs, which started a large part of the mess we have now. No tax money to help support our missions and people. Then our benifits started going away, our insurance changed, which pissed off a lot of soldiers. They could not get basic coverage with out 20 copies of this and signing here 50 times with 5 different doctors.
There are many things bringing the military to where it is NOW!!! It is not &quot;JUST BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT&quot;.
We do care who our Chief of Staff is. Also, even if it is some one maybe we did not vote for, we will still understand our chain of command and who we answer to. If CATDOG were elected president, then there is part of our chain of command. May not like it, but it would be the fact. NOW- where's my m249!!!

There is my 20cents

 

[smartt]

Tagej, I hate to ask were you or are you now currently in the military? I'm sure they appreciate your concern but most are completely loyal to their chain-of-command. Or else, where would we be? There's probably not been a whole lot of leaders who haven't done something to tick off the military. However, do you go on the 6 o' clock news to downgrade your boss when he pisses you off? Not too many people would because of the consequences. However, you should be able to in a democracy right? Just imagine how that could play out on the large scale of the military. If you think that's a good idea, then you may want to get some 'third world' country brochures from your local travel agent. They may not have any being that they are not considered popular tourist spots.

 

[smartt]

Oh wait, I checked around and it turns out they actually shoot military AND citizens for speaking out against leaders in those countries so probably not a good idea.

 

[rahvin]

<<The point was that his ways have so undermined our military that these kinds of rules (that have been around for decades but have never had to be actively enforced) are needed.>>

I'm curious if you think this rule wasn't enforced during the nixon administration? You know, the height of the vietnam war....

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

And when, pray tell, was the last time morale was so low that this had to be enforced??? It goes to show the level of morale inspired by the scum in office over the last 8 years. It shows what the level of morale would be if Goron ever got into office.

I have absolutely no problem with the rules of the military, and I completely understand them and the need for them.

Apparently you don't, since you refer to this law &quot;silencing the voices&quot; of military members, and reading comprehension appears not to be your strong suit either. Nobody did any &quot;threatening&quot;. As an Air Force JAG, I can tell you the intention of the briefings was to remind people that the law applies not only to the President, but to the others I mentioned above. This was to prevent unnecessary disciplinary action, not to silence the voices of dissent.

Do you think those skilled and intelligent people in the armed forces would stay there and serve a commander in chief who they feel 'ripped them off'??

It appears I will be doing so shortly. His name is George W. Bush. I do not intend to desert.

You really sound like a person who has never served his country . . .

 

[Pennstate]

While some elite members are very intelligent, that does not apply to all; especially when the topic of discussion is not about computers.