Time kills billions, Nazis only killed a few million. Get over it libs!
I don't distract, I build perspective. Pretending white nationalism is a large scale issue is a lie. It is a scare tactic used by the left to keep you in line. There is no large uprising of the KKK or Nazis. They are a small fringe group that attracts almost no one.
There are roughly 22 million Americans that believe it is acceptable to hold neo–Nazi or white supremacist views. There are roughly 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. Tell me which one is fringe again?I don't distract, I build perspective. Pretending white nationalism is a large scale issue is a lie. It is a scare tactic used by the left to keep you in line. There is no large uprising of the KKK or Nazis. They are a small fringe group that attracts almost no one.
I'd take 1000 illegals over one of you. I'd feel safer too.
I don't distract, I build perspective. Pretending white nationalism is a large scale issue is a lie. It is a scare tactic used by the left to keep you in line. There is no large uprising of the KKK or Nazis. They are a small fringe group that attracts almost no one.
There are roughly 22 million Americans that believe it is acceptable to hold neo–Nazi or white supremacist views. There are roughly 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. Tell me which one is fringe again?
says the self proclaimed not-racistI don't distract, I build perspective. Pretending white nationalism is a large scale issue is a lie. It is a scare tactic used by the left to keep you in line. There is no large uprising of the KKK or Nazis. They are a small fringe group that attracts almost no one.
I don't get the propaganda you guys have been fed. Not sure what you see as so wrong with wanting to stop human trafficking, have a secure border, vet whom it is we allow into our country. These are common sense things, yet you lefties can only manufacture racism and see things in those terms, always attaching race and hate to everything you are about. It is sad.
https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1190a1TrumpandCharlottesville.pdfDefine what it means for it to be "acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views." Are you saying that there are that many people that feel it is ok to have views, even if they're extreme and don't agree with what I may feel is right, while the other 300 million of us want to control what people think? Or are you honestly trying to say there are 22 million white supremacists in this country? And if so, I'd like to see the source of that info.
Because if what you're saying is there are 20+ million "extremists" and they're responsible for 85 murders a year, then they're doing less harm than the general population.
Nothing there asking if the government should do something about people who hold these views. Just asking if it is acceptable.Code:7. Do you yourself think it’s acceptable or unacceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views? Do you feel that way strongly, or somewhat? ------- Acceptable ------ ------ Unacceptable ----- No NET Strongly Somewhat NET Somewhat Strongly opinion 8/20/17 9 3 5 83 11 72 8
https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1190a1TrumpandCharlottesville.pdf
Nothing there asking if the government should do something about people who hold these views. Just asking if it is acceptable.
So what you are saying is that you think this survey shows that 83% of Americans think it is okay to convict people of thought crimes.That isn't a clear question. I think it is acceptable to hold views I disagree with, saying it isn't acceptable is saying that I feel it is ok to force what I think is right, my version of morality on to other people. While I vehemently disagree with the white supremacist view, I think it is even worse to force people to think a certain way or convict them of thought crimes. If you agree with that then your'e saying whatever the prevailing moral compass direction of the day can be forced on to people, that is for control like conservative religious fanatics. So one can say it is acceptable for others to have views I disagree with strongly, while not endorsing those views.
So what you are saying is that you think this survey shows that 83% of Americans think it is okay to convict people of thought crimes.
I did not draw the conclusion that there are 22 million white supremacists in America. I drew the conclusion that if 22 million Americans think is it acceptable to hold white supremacist views and we assume most of those people aren't defining "unacceptable" to mean "needs government thought control," and just means "not justified" the way we assume the other 83% are not pressing for government thought control, then we have a huge problem with the number of people in our country who think white supremacist views are justified.I'm saying the question is worded in a way that makes it muddy in what they are asking. Drawning the conclusion that there are 22 million white supremacists in America from that question is a bit... much.
Citizen's legally carrying guns can only use them for protection. They cannot use them for tools to enforce a citizen's arrest or impose their will on another. To perform a citizen's arrest the crime almost always has to be a felony that you just saw committed. You can use reasonable force to detain someone but pointing or displaying a gun to perform the citizen's arrest is illegal. You can pretty much only detain someone at gunpoint if you are in your own home, they have no legal reason to be there, and you are reasonably and legitimately fearful of your safety. And just saying your were in fear doesn't make it reasonable so.
Was what these idiots did legal? Probably not if they use firearms displayed or pointed at the immigrants to effect the citizen's arrest. And they would have had to firsthand witness a felony crime, if illegal immigration is even a felony, and not been able to call the real boarder patrol to deal with the situation. That's why most citizen boarder patrols don't make contact with the immigrants and only report their location and stand as witnesses to the illegal crossing. You can't make a citizen's arrest if the properly authorized authorities are available to deal with it.
Citizen arrests are perfectly legal, but only under very specific circumstances. And if done wrong or mistakenly can open you to charges like kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault and such. Basically, never use force or brandish a gun unless you are in reasonable fear of immediate great bodily harm to yourself or others, and you have done what you reasonable can to avoid it. You can't arm yourself and go looking for trouble with the intent of using the weapon to enforce a citizen's arrest.
And just because it's technically legal for you to do something (which I'm not saying this incident was legal) that doesn't mean you should.
EDIT: And if it's true the group was yelling ""Policía, alto!" then they are rightfully screwed.
More likely to get impersonation charges. While also some other issues;So they are going to be charged with kidnapping?
I did not draw the conclusion that there are 22 million white supremacists in America. I drew the conclusion that if 22 million Americans think is it acceptable to hold white supremacist views and we assume most of those people aren't defining "unacceptable" to mean "needs government thought control," and just means "not justified" the way we assume the other 83% are not pressing for government thought control, then we have a huge problem with the number of people in our country who think white supremacist views are justified.
Almost had a good post there but that second to last sentence killed it.This will not end well. These militias tend to attract former military, and they will inevitably come into armed conflict with smugglers or cartels, or make the border situation even more volatile and dangerous.
There is a crisis at the border. This is not how you solve it.
What I'm saying is finding it acceptable to hold white supremacist views and agreeing with white supremacist views are two very different things, and I can see how that question isn't clear enough to draw any conclusions. I think any information you've gleaned based on that question you should dismiss. You should instead think about how that question is worded and how much projection you used to reach the conclusion you wanted.
I specifically stated what my conclusion was. I never claimed anything about who held those views, just that a lot of people think it is acceptable. If only 1 out of 20 of them actually agree with the views then that is still over a million people, something I would not exactly call fringe.What I'm saying is finding it acceptable to hold white supremacist views and agreeing with white supremacist views are two very different things, and I can see how that question isn't clear enough to draw any conclusions. I think any information you've gleaned based on that question you should dismiss. You should instead think about how that question is worded and how much projection you used to reach the conclusion you wanted.
I specifically stated what my conclusion was. I never claimed anything about who held those views, just that a lot of people think it is acceptable. If only 1 out of 20 of them actually agree with the views then that is still over a million people, something I would not exactly call fringe.