Millennials Don’t Want Fun; They Want You To Lead Better

Skel

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According to some random linked-in article it seems the issue with millennials is all their leadership's fault..


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Ns1

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yeah I got that comment from one of my millennial hires in an exit interview. He suggested 1 on 1 tutoring instead of the classes that are held for everyone else. Because he was a special kind of snowflake.
 

JM Aggie08

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Awesome, another one of these again.

If anything, the frequency of these threads is really telling of how old and bitter some of you are becoming.
 

balloonshark

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Mental note: No bashing of millennials. In ATOT it's only acceptable if you bash obese, poor and/or mentally ill people.
 

Sonikku

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According to some random linked-in article it seems the issue with millennials is all their leadership's fault..

Kinda is. The leadership in this country that had strong middle class factory jobs screwed the pooch and facilitated job off shoring, free trade and all kinds of shit. Now they complain millennials with their worse job market and price gouged college tuition are just lazy.

Take some responsibility and teach your foreign replacement how to do your job, damnit!
 

Paladin3

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The way I try to combat this trend is by helping the next generation. I coach U12 softball, and have a summer job where I manage lots of teens working for the first time. I do my best to teach them a solid work ethic, leadership skills and a sense of responsibility for all aspects of their lives.

Many of them start out with zero concept that the road to success is paved with tears, sweat and lots of failure. Fall by the road and die, or get up and keep fighting. It's a hard lesson to learn when recent generations have experiences very little hardship in their lives ever.

But it is our job to help teach them. Our society needs them.
 

Imp

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yeah I got that comment from one of my millennial hires in an exit interview. He suggested 1 on 1 tutoring instead of the classes that are held for everyone else. Because he was a special kind of snowflake.

Last job I left, I gave my manager a concise sentence that was essentially, "I'm leaving." He probably knows the real deal because I told a bunch of my work friends who were pretty talkative that I fucking hated working there -- didn't need the reference and I had other reasonably high-up work friends who would just sugarcoat it for me if I did.

Yes, I be millennial.

A millennial friend actually told me to be honest and tell them how to improve the position. I didn't care at that point.
 

Yakk

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If there's one thing I don't envy about millennials it is their rather step learning curve of the real world.
 

ctk1981

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Is it me or is there a bigger generational gap between the generations now than ever? I respected the Vietnam era guys, got along with them...adored the WWII vets, respected desert shield/storm vets....rule out vets, just that generation in general, the sacrifices that were made etc. Today's military, still respect you..but they seem to whine more or demand more. Then there's the non military side of it. Seems like they think everything should be handed to them. Yes, interest rates on college loans now blow balls...but guess what, I went into a promising career that tanked after the tech bubble collapse in ~2001-2002. I went on to profitable job based off of pure skill, a skill that was taught to me by my father. Mechanic abilities. 13 years later I'm considered a top level mechanic. Bring back the trade schools, internships, etc.
 

glenn1

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According to some random linked-in article it seems the issue with millennials is all their leadership's fault..


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I'm not a millennial (on the older end of Gen X) and think they're 100% right on a lot of those asks. If you have a more formalized and directive style of leadership rather than a collaborative style and seeing yourself as a "servant leader" to empower your staff then you're honestly still living in the dinosaur age of management. Or working in a field where a robot will be doing your job soon.
 

Anubis

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I'm not a millennial (on the older end of Gen X) and think they're 100% right on a lot of those asks. If you have a more formalized and directive style of leadership rather than a collaborative style and seeing yourself as a "servant leader" to empower your staff then you're honestly still living in the dinosaur age of management. Or working in a field where a robot will be doing your job soon.

i agree, some of the points are very valid and not just to "millennials" some of them not so much
 

Kaido

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Having worked closely with HR over the last decade, I think most of the Millennial stuff is BS. Yes, each generation has unique features, but the underlying core is the same - people are just people. The media will always highlight the one or two loudmouths with silly inflated requirements. Probably the biggest change has been the use of Internet for communication for stuff like finding a job easier thanks to LinkedIn, GlassDoor, Monster, etc. But social media also gives the vocal minority a platform - both for the people who are whiners & for the people who like to whine about the whiners (i.e. all the writers who complain about "ugh, Millenials!"). Let's look at the points in this article:

1. They Observed The Work-Driven Stress Levels Of Their Parents:

I think the more important part here is that divorce has become acceptable in our society. When I was a kid, there was maybe one kid in the whole class who had divorced parents. By college in the early 2000's, it seemed like half of the class's parents were split up. These days, it's just acceptable & normal. Having a stressful job & stressful finances are big contributors to marriages splitting up.

2. Traveling Teams And Helicopter Parents:

Give me a break. Kids have been playing sports & riding the bus to other team's fields since the 50's. As far as helicopter parents, it's the same idea as the whiney Millennial concept - there's like 1% of parents who are crazy over-protective, never miss anything ever, record everything, etc. & they want to slap that label on everyone. Nope.

3.They’re The Most Technologically Connected Generation Ever:

Yeah, per my first paragraph above, I agree with this. I've used this to leverage my own job & pay at times...I can hop on Glassdoor & see what the average pay is in my field in my area & bring that to the table when it's time for annual salary negotiations. Stuff isn't as secret as it was in the past. It's easier to find a job than every, you have more information about what you do day to day, how much you should get paid, etc., and it's easier for companies to find people to hire these days.

4. They Want To Know Their Work Has Purpose:

No, they want jobs that will pay off their ridiculously overpriced student loans. I don't know a single person who has graduated within the past five years who has said "gee, I hope my job has a purpose"; every single one has said "crap, I need a job, I hope it covers my monthly student loan bill & leaves me enough for rent & food!" The problem with purpose is that it is often mis-represented. Advertisements, high school, TV, etc. teaches you that you need all this purpose, creative freedom, yada yada yada. Not that you shouldn't have that, but the bottom line is that work is WORK. You are there to fulfill a function, which ultimately results in making your employer money. That's the plot but not the story (i.e. it's not as harsh as that sounds), but it's important to remember that you are there to do a job.

Most jobs are warm-body jobs. They just need someone to do the work. My career field isn't anything special if you're technically inclined...I basically fix computers. I happen to work for a company with a decent budget & some freedom in choosing how I roll, which is awesome for me personally because it scratches my IT itch, but at the end of the day, I am there to work & fulfill a role. You could throw anyone with an A+ cert in here to do my job, and that's okay. I bring my skills & my work ethic to my job, and my job compensates me in return. It's important to keep that business relationship in mind, because these articles keep painting the latest generation of young kids as people who want creative job freedom, a solid paycheck, and a meaningful purpose - well DUH, every generation of kids coming out of school wants that! It usually doesn't take too long for life to beat them down though

5. They Don’t Want A Boss; They Want A Coach:

Direct quote from the article:

Gen-Y workers are repelled by traditional bosses who bark orders or manage people in uniform ways.

No joke, people don't like being yelled at or treated like cogs in a machine?? Gosh, these Millennials are so unique & demanding! rofl

6. They Want Much More Frequent Feedback:

I do think this is valid because we live in an interconnected world. You expect your family & friends to respond instantly to your text messages 24/7. You get feedback on Twitter, forums, Facebook, etc. all day long. I don't know if this really truly translates out to a workplace requirement, but since we're in constant communication with people in our personal lives, it makes sense that people would want the same thing at work. Although as the IT guy at work, I just have to be proactive about it...I just do my weekly rounds to see what's up with everyone & make sure I'm staying on top of things, because while most people will complain about something that is wrong right away, some people let issues fester & build up (this has been happening for a month & you haven't done anything about it, even though I didn't tell you there was anything wrong!!).

7. Focus On Their Strengths:

Yeah again no duh. Who wants to work for someone who just criticizes their weakness all the time? Unfortunately, that's a lot of people's professional situations, and you basically have to put up with it if you want to keep your job, or else go find another job. Welcome to reality! :awe:

8. Growth And Development Is One The Greatest Drivers Of Millennial Engagement:

Wait a second, people don't like to be bored? These crazy Millennials & their non-standard demands...

They do make a good point at the end of the article:

Some organizations seem to have it in their minds that millennial workers are mercenaries, always looking for a new and better deal. But Gallup’s research shows what they’re really looking for is a compelling reason to stay.

Yes...these kids went to college, forked over a ridiculous amount of money that they'll be paying back in student loans til the day they die, have access to online job listings across the nation, as well as job duty lists, required training, pay scales, etc. & other relevant information...we have a more educated & powerful workforce now. So if you treat someone like crap & they can simply hop online to find a job that will treat them & pay them better, good luck keeping people! I have seen this happen with some businesses that I've worked for...because it's an employer's market for jobs (lots of people needing jobs), they think it's OK to pay people like crap & literally treat them like crap.

TL;DR - people are the same as they've always been. The Internet gives us access to more information, but the media will always point out the vocal minority (and the vocal minority can now hop on social media platforms as a digital soapbox). Nothing has changed. People still need jobs to pay their bills. Blah, blah, blah
 

ElFenix

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my boss's idea of management is walking into my office at 5:30 and asking "whacha working on?"
 

poofyhairguy

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I think the biggest difference is millennials want a concrete reward, even if it's just recognition, for doing their job.

The old philosophy was that you did your job because you were paid to do it, that was your reward. You only got a compliment, recognition, or maybe a raise for doing more than your job, going above and beyond. I think the modern millennial worker wants recognition/reward for doing the job well even if they are already being paid for that very job.

And I don't see that as a special snowflake situation either, I see it as millennial workers are very savvy. They watched their parents sacrifice themselves on the altar of "work as hard as you can and you will be successful," only for the Great Recession to give them a pink slip and kill their retirement.

I think millennial workers won't buy into that fantasy, they know that a good deed unseen is a good deed you might as well have never done because there isn't some occupation fairy godmother who is seeing you toil in secret and will reward you for those times you did the right thing and no one noticed. They see the guy at the office who is good at politics move up the ladder faster than the guy who is the actual best worker, and they refuse to be the one picking up the slack for everyone else for no reward. If no one is pulling the rope they aren't going to keep trying alone, even if that is what their dad would have done because "it's the right thing to do" (tm). They are cynical about everything, with good reason.

I think companies have to accept that almost every action needs a reward tied to it, and that millennials will listen to what this compensation/reward system tells them to do and not what they are told to do in morning meetings. I think companies also need to accept that if workers are doing the wrong things the solution is to realign the incentives instead of fill more three ring binders with procedures that feel more like a punishment then a reward.
 

PowerEngineer

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Threads like this one that claim that there's something fundamentally different about this or that generation make me laugh.

As a member of the hippie generation, I can remember all the angst expressed by our elders over eventually having to turn the world over to us. And just look how we turned out! D: Just think about how much the free sex, war protesting (draft dodging), drug using baby boomers have changed over time to become society's in-charge generation today.

The GenX's and millennials will not have to change nearly as much to become that stodgier, more conservative "no fun" generation that always eventually inherits society's leadership role. And there's no doubt that that they and subsequent generations will be leveling these same kinds of complaints against each other.
 
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